I call that the isiah Thomas effect. Thanks again Isiah

IronWillGiroud wrote:these are all ballers that went for peanuts, amazing

exactly, it shows that we could have signed quality players at good deals..

it shows that we could have gotten young players at good deals..

tkf wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:I prefer Pablo over Augustine because neither will be a knick lifer and Pablo is a better fit. More poise. I just don't get why we gave him an extra 700,000. As evident by this list we overpaid. That's 700,000 that could've been used to sign Udrih who will weigh his decision on money and caliber of team he is joining

more poise? a better fit? really? I don't think so....

tkf wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:I prefer Pablo over Augustine because neither will be a knick lifer and Pablo is a better fit. More poise. I just don't get why we gave him an extra 700,000. As evident by this list we overpaid. That's 700,000 that could've been used to sign Udrih who will weigh his decision on money and caliber of team he is joining

more poise? a better fit? really? I don't think so....

I hear ya. Augustine is younger and more of a change of pace pg but he is more of a complimentary player. Not a great shooter not get good at getting everyone involved. Turnover prone.

Prigs remember he is still adjusting to the NBA game. Knows his limitations. Worked with Dave hoopla on a quicker release from 3. Which in realty is more than we can ask for offensively. He was our most efficient 3pt shooter second half of the season. Ideally you'd run beno Augustine and prigs. Veteran, change of pace and ability to consistently hit the open midrange jumper.

Unfortunately we are stuck with Felton and his erractc jumpshot.THE END

CrushAlot wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

tkf wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:I prefer Pablo over Augustine because neither will be a knick lifer and Pablo is a better fit. More poise. I just don't get why we gave him an extra 700,000. As evident by this list we overpaid. That's 700,000 that could've been used to sign Udrih who will weigh his decision on money and caliber of team he is joining

more poise? a better fit? really? I don't think so....

I hear ya. Augustine is younger and more of a change of pace pg but he is more of a complimentary player. Not a great shooter not get good at getting everyone involved. Turnover prone.

Prigs remember he is still adjusting to the NBA game. Knows his limitations. Worked with Dave hoopla on a quicker release from 3. Which in realty is more than we can ask for offensively. He was our most efficient 3pt shooter second half of the season. Ideally you'd run beno Augustine and prigs. Veteran, change of pace and ability to consistently hit the open midrange jumper.

Unfortunately we are stuck with Felton and his erractc jumpshot.THE END

Pablo and DJ played the same number of minutes per game last year and Pablo has DJ in every category except DJ scored .5 more points but shot at a much lower percentage. DJ is not a guy I think will do much in the nba so I am biased but stats are stats.

DJ is not that good, I agree, but the funny thing is we had 3 players we used as our "PG's" in Felton, Kidd, and Pablo, that were unable to defend him
Pablo had one good game vs the Pacer's while every other games he was non factor
While DJ was able to be a scoring option shooting nearly 50% for the entire series and averaged over double Pablo's points

RonRon wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

tkf wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:I prefer Pablo over Augustine because neither will be a knick lifer and Pablo is a better fit. More poise. I just don't get why we gave him an extra 700,000. As evident by this list we overpaid. That's 700,000 that could've been used to sign Udrih who will weigh his decision on money and caliber of team he is joining

more poise? a better fit? really? I don't think so....

I hear ya. Augustine is younger and more of a change of pace pg but he is more of a complimentary player. Not a great shooter not get good at getting everyone involved. Turnover prone.

Prigs remember he is still adjusting to the NBA game. Knows his limitations. Worked with Dave hoopla on a quicker release from 3. Which in realty is more than we can ask for offensively. He was our most efficient 3pt shooter second half of the season. Ideally you'd run beno Augustine and prigs. Veteran, change of pace and ability to consistently hit the open midrange jumper.

Unfortunately we are stuck with Felton and his erractc jumpshot.THE END

Pablo and DJ played the same number of minutes per game last year and Pablo has DJ in every category except DJ scored .5 more points but shot at a much lower percentage. DJ is not a guy I think will do much in the nba so I am biased but stats are stats.

DJ is not that good, I agree, but the funny thing is we had 3 players we used as our "PG's" in Felton, Kidd, and Pablo, that were unable to defend him
Pablo had one good game vs the Pacer's while every other games he was non factor
While DJ was able to be a scoring option shooting nearly 50% for the entire series and averaged over double Pablo's points

yea, people are missing the point.. we are trying to get a vet like beno here on a vet min to play 3rd string.... guys are not wanting to do that, unless one thing, they are pretty much guaranteed playing time.. Austin day signed for peanuts, he said he just wanted playing time... we seem to go about things without any thought process... I gave numerous possibilities to get younger talent and talent that filled needs... we talk about injures, we talk about guys having to play out of position, now we see a lot of spin talking about 2015.. then why not try to get younger now, fill in positions of need with guys who are not going to need days off after playing more than 20 minutes..

why did we grab artest?
why bring kenyon back?
why give pablo more money and still looking to sign PG's who are better than him?

tkf wrote:

RonRon wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

tkf wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:I prefer Pablo over Augustine because neither will be a knick lifer and Pablo is a better fit. More poise. I just don't get why we gave him an extra 700,000. As evident by this list we overpaid. That's 700,000 that could've been used to sign Udrih who will weigh his decision on money and caliber of team he is joining

more poise? a better fit? really? I don't think so....

I hear ya. Augustine is younger and more of a change of pace pg but he is more of a complimentary player. Not a great shooter not get good at getting everyone involved. Turnover prone.

Prigs remember he is still adjusting to the NBA game. Knows his limitations. Worked with Dave hoopla on a quicker release from 3. Which in realty is more than we can ask for offensively. He was our most efficient 3pt shooter second half of the season. Ideally you'd run beno Augustine and prigs. Veteran, change of pace and ability to consistently hit the open midrange jumper.

Unfortunately we are stuck with Felton and his erractc jumpshot.THE END

Pablo and DJ played the same number of minutes per game last year and Pablo has DJ in every category except DJ scored .5 more points but shot at a much lower percentage. DJ is not a guy I think will do much in the nba so I am biased but stats are stats.

DJ is not that good, I agree, but the funny thing is we had 3 players we used as our "PG's" in Felton, Kidd, and Pablo, that were unable to defend him
Pablo had one good game vs the Pacer's while every other games he was non factor
While DJ was able to be a scoring option shooting nearly 50% for the entire series and averaged over double Pablo's points

yea, people are missing the point.. we are trying to get a vet like beno here on a vet min to play 3rd string.... guys are not wanting to do that, unless one thing, they are pretty much guaranteed playing time.. Austin day signed for peanuts, he said he just wanted playing time... we seem to go about things without any thought process... I gave numerous possibilities to get younger talent and talent that filled needs... we talk about injures, we talk about guys having to play out of position, now we see a lot of spin talking about 2015.. then why not try to get younger now, fill in positions of need with guys who are not going to need days off after playing more than 20 minutes..

why did we grab artest?
why bring kenyon back?
why give pablo more money and still looking to sign PG's who are better than him?

It would seem we go about things without agreeing to your plan and thought process of how to build a franchise the proper way; youth, draft picks, flexibility, blah blah blah. Lather, rinse, repeat.

Yes, we know; 54 wins and the division title and scoring champion and 13 game win streaks and SMOTY and making the 2nd round don't mean squat. Unless we use that to sign efficent young experts like DJ Augustine and Austin Daye. And get some draft picks instead of signing old has-beens and a stupid Euro PG who isn't athletic enough.

What I really notice is how you neglect to mention about how much greater Denver is by the Nate and Foye signings.

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

RonRon wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

tkf wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:I prefer Pablo over Augustine because neither will be a knick lifer and Pablo is a better fit. More poise. I just don't get why we gave him an extra 700,000. As evident by this list we overpaid. That's 700,000 that could've been used to sign Udrih who will weigh his decision on money and caliber of team he is joining

more poise? a better fit? really? I don't think so....

I hear ya. Augustine is younger and more of a change of pace pg but he is more of a complimentary player. Not a great shooter not get good at getting everyone involved. Turnover prone.

Prigs remember he is still adjusting to the NBA game. Knows his limitations. Worked with Dave hoopla on a quicker release from 3. Which in realty is more than we can ask for offensively. He was our most efficient 3pt shooter second half of the season. Ideally you'd run beno Augustine and prigs. Veteran, change of pace and ability to consistently hit the open midrange jumper.

Unfortunately we are stuck with Felton and his erractc jumpshot.THE END

Pablo and DJ played the same number of minutes per game last year and Pablo has DJ in every category except DJ scored .5 more points but shot at a much lower percentage. DJ is not a guy I think will do much in the nba so I am biased but stats are stats.

DJ is not that good, I agree, but the funny thing is we had 3 players we used as our "PG's" in Felton, Kidd, and Pablo, that were unable to defend him
Pablo had one good game vs the Pacer's while every other games he was non factor
While DJ was able to be a scoring option shooting nearly 50% for the entire series and averaged over double Pablo's points

yea, people are missing the point.. we are trying to get a vet like beno here on a vet min to play 3rd string.... guys are not wanting to do that, unless one thing, they are pretty much guaranteed playing time.. Austin day signed for peanuts, he said he just wanted playing time... we seem to go about things without any thought process... I gave numerous possibilities to get younger talent and talent that filled needs... we talk about injures, we talk about guys having to play out of position, now we see a lot of spin talking about 2015.. then why not try to get younger now, fill in positions of need with guys who are not going to need days off after playing more than 20 minutes..

why did we grab artest?
why bring kenyon back?
why give pablo more money and still looking to sign PG's who are better than him?

It would seem we go about things without agreeing to your plan and thought process of how to build a franchise the proper way; youth, draft picks, flexibility, blah blah blah. Lather, rinse, repeat.

Yes, we know; 54 wins and the division title and scoring champion and 13 game win streaks and SMOTY and making the 2nd round don't mean squat. Unless we use that to sign efficent young experts like DJ Augustine and Austin Daye. And get some draft picks instead of signing old has-beens and a stupid Euro PG who isn't athletic enough.

What I really notice is how you neglect to mention about how much greater Denver is by the Nate and Foye signings.

well there you go.. you sound satisfied.... I thought you wanted to win a ring?

tkf wrote:

MS wrote:I believe there is a underlining theme with the Knicks.

The NBA isn't very complicated. Don't give out long term deals and overpay role players.

Weatherspoon, James, Jefferies, Novak, Camby etc. Evaluating talent isn't that difficult. Each year there are a number of guys available to help at limited salaries.

Matt Barnes was a steal, as was Dunleavy, Nate Robinson there are a handful of guys on that list. I like Pablo and think he's in tremendous shape, but we aren't bringing in any guys to can grow down the road or make a tremendous impact. I think that's the point.

thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!