dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

RonRon wrote:so many things will be written about these comments, CA just said, and it could be interpreted in many negative ways

Personally, I am sick of hearing CA acting as a victim, to me, this is his way of opening the door on possibly opting out and leaving to a team with a higher chance % at a ring or getting leverage for a max/near max extension that would put us in mediocrity with 2 picks in the next 6 years
Maybe if we had the ability to LOWBALL Denver if CA would have just said "I AM ONLY SIGNING an extension with NY", like we should have, or if he was willing to sign with us in the off season (which actually is less than 7m difference if he intends to opt out next summer), we actually would have had the assets to build a TEAM around him that is good enough to contend with 2 way players instead of the many 1 dimensional players we have now, on top of saving our amnesty

We gave up many assets to acquire him, and also had to overpay for talents/trades to get better because GM's knew we were in "WIN MODE" with limited assets and cap space to sign anyone while we needed much improvement
Last season, we got older players and "leadership roles" (while we actually needed talent on top of those leadership qualities) because of Melo's ego, inability to trust his team mates by moving the ball, and lack of leadership/ability to make other plays around the team better

I am trying to remember what trades the Knicks made since getting Melo. The ones that stand out are the Camby trade, the Bargs trade and the Felton/Thomas trade. I agree that in hindsight the Camby trade doesn't look good but in my opinion the Knicks didn't overpay in the other trades listed. Even the Camby trade is questionable as the guys traded are all out of the league and the second rounder re-upped in Europe for four more years so that 'asset' might not be as valuable as some have made it out to be. Also, I think you were very outspoken about what a bad pick that was and listed many guys including undrafted players that the Knicks would have been better off drafting. If I am wrong I apologize.

In regards to Melo's comments he seems to still not be aware of the media he is speaking with and just responds. There are many ways you could take what he said. I went to Knicksnow but couldn't find a live version of the interview so it is open to interpretation. My take is that he is getting older, every year he is more banged up and it takes longer to heal and recover. This year he had knee issues and his shoulder. If you are rehabbing instead of training things are different when the season starts. It catches up to most older players. I am sure you could take his statements many ways but that was my take.

good gosh-- way to dodge the crux of his post. it's not the subsequent trades it's the carmelo trade itself he is addressing.

Jmpasq wrote:I do believe Melo is getting ready to put the hammer on us with a Max extension demand.This is all about leveraging us.I say F him, he wants to walk he can take his smaller contract.Go into 2015 tank mode. Trade everything we have for draft picks.Chandler will get us something. Hopefully we end up with a Top 5 Pick to build on, along with a late pick from Chandler and tons of cap space.I dont think i can handle a Max extension to Melo.I wont be able to stomach complaints about surrounding talent why he makes 25 million a year on a 58 million dollar cap

Agree with the sentiment here - not worth the $25 mil per extension. I don't blame the Knicks for trying by pairing him with Amare and then Tyson. But by 2015, the experiment will be over.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:I do believe Melo is getting ready to put the hammer on us with a Max extension demand.This is all about leveraging us.I say F him, he wants to walk he can take his smaller contract.Go into 2015 tank mode. Trade everything we have for draft picks.Chandler will get us something. Hopefully we end up with a Top 5 Pick to build on, along with a late pick from Chandler and tons of cap space.I dont think i can handle a Max extension to Melo.I wont be able to stomach complaints about surrounding talent why he makes 25 million a year on a 58 million dollar cap

Agree with the sentiment here - not worth the $25 mil per extension. I don't blame the Knicks for trying by pairing him with Amare and then Tyson. But by 2015, the experiment will be over.

To be honest i dont think the experiement between those 3 was ever going to work. They just dont fit well together. Melo played better at the 4 and the knciks obviously played better. However when we played bigger teams like Indy and Chicago we got killed in the paint

I agree with you on that. Having 3 frontcourt players as your big 3 seemed like an imbalance to me. Throwing some type of guard in there instead of either Amare or Chandler would have been nice. This whole thing maybe could have worked if you put Amare at center with Carmelo at one of the forward spots and have either a top level SG or PG.

Granted all that is assuming Amare could've stayed healthy.

arkrud wrote:Melo may not be a chip material but he is very much succeed as player, businessman, and entertainer.
He is a millionaire and celebrity. And he is actually one of the greatest offensive talents.
Championship is another story and as he has all other stuff pretty much completed he may start thinking about getting it too.
He realized that this is not possible in NY and started working on the exit ASAP.
I think he and his agent are very smart and proactive bunch.

so far, there is no evidence to prove that..

Jmpasq wrote:I do believe Melo is getting ready to put the hammer on us with a Max extension demand.This is all about leveraging us.I say F him, he wants to walk he can take his smaller contract.Go into 2015 tank mode. Trade everything we have for draft picks.Chandler will get us something. Hopefully we end up with a Top 5 Pick to build on, along with a late pick from Chandler and tons of cap space.I dont think i can handle a Max extension to Melo.I wont be able to stomach complaints about surrounding talent why he makes 25 million a year on a 58 million dollar cap

amen!

Vmart wrote:

arkrud wrote:Melo may not be a chip material but he is very much succeed as player, businessman, and entertainer.
He is a millionaire and celebrity. And he is actually one of the greatest offensive talents.
Championship is another story and as he has all other stuff pretty much completed he may start thinking about getting it too.
He realized that this is not possible in NY and started working on the exit ASAP.
I think he and his agent are very smart and proactive bunch.

Greatest offensive talent? Ridiculous there have been so many better offensive players that have come and gone. Melo is a volume shooter who can't sniff 50% FG. I'm gonna give you a list of offensive players from the past what do they have in a common. Julius Erving, Chris Mullin, Larry Bird, Jordan, Alex English, George Gervin, Adrien Dantley. They all shot 50% I think Bird was near 50%.

Right now the NBA is so devoid of talent. And the Kobes and Iversons of the world have made 44% shooting the new 50%. The NBA is so devoid of talent that we are elevating crap and think its the greatest thing we ever seen. There are two superstars in the game as of now Lebron and Durant. The rest fall under good players and Marginal players.

I have pointed this out so many times.. yet many will just ingore that and wax on poetically about how a certain player, can "score in the post" as if that erases all flaws.....

as far as larry bird, yes he did shoot 50% for his career right at 50% and lets add Bernard king.. our very own.. he shot 52%..

Right now the NBA is so devoid of talent. And the Kobes and Iversons of the world have made 44% shooting the new 50%. The NBA is so devoid of talent that we are elevating crap and think its the greatest thing we ever seen. There are two superstars in the game as of now Lebron and Durant. The rest fall under good players and Marginal players.

agreed.... and honestly, Duncan was one of those stars along with lebron, but he is not that player anymore.. still darn close tho...

tkf wrote:

arkrud wrote:Melo may not be a chip material but he is very much succeed as player, businessman, and entertainer.
He is a millionaire and celebrity. And he is actually one of the greatest offensive talents.
Championship is another story and as he has all other stuff pretty much completed he may start thinking about getting it too.
He realized that this is not possible in NY and started working on the exit ASAP.
I think he and his agent are very smart and proactive bunch.

so far, there is no evidence to prove that..

tkf wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

tkf wrote:

arkrud wrote:Melo may not be a chip material but he is very much succeed as player, businessman, and entertainer.
He is a millionaire and celebrity. And he is actually one of the greatest offensive talents.
Championship is another story and as he has all other stuff pretty much completed he may start thinking about getting it too.
He realized that this is not possible in NY and started working on the exit ASAP.
I think he and his agent are very smart and proactive bunch.

so far, there is no evidence to prove that..

What? Even going by your opinion of him being selfish, all about money, putting himself before the Knicks, etc , there is evidence to prove that. He wanted to be on the Knicks? Hes here. He wanted to make all of his money and not be in limbo during the lockout? He got it. He wanted endorsements? Hes got them. He supposedly wanted his wife to get opportunities in NY as well? She has a reality show. I dont see what he and agent did that makes you think they're stupid.

what makes them smart?

He forced his way out of denver to a team that would have to give most of it's talent to get him.

Denver gets better, has tons of picks and young assets going forward..

Knicks are much older, no picks and now he is talking about his window closing..

tell me, what is so smart about that?

If you are saying they are smart for maximizing his earning potential.. well sure. but is that what we are talking about here?

when it comes to guiding his career to a point where he can win a ring... not so smart... he put money first.. good for him.. if you think that is smart when it comes to trying to win.. have at it..

i just think melo is calling it for what it is, that is that he is turning 30 and we know most guys don't reach 40 in this league