Bonn1997 wrote:

STATMELO wrote:

tj23 wrote:Ugh We're really fishing for scraps, huh? I didn't want him 5 years ago, and I certainly don't want him now. Streak shooter who won't rebound or defend. Not even worth a roster spot. Pass.

Won't rebound? Harrington as a starter was good for 6-7 rebounds a game.

That's significantly below average for a PF/C

Somebody tell that to A'mare...

Btw, we had him in the knicks. So ww know he's a pf/sf so 6-7 rebs is about right.

EnySpree wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

STATMELO wrote:

tj23 wrote:Ugh We're really fishing for scraps, huh? I didn't want him 5 years ago, and I certainly don't want him now. Streak shooter who won't rebound or defend. Not even worth a roster spot. Pass.

Won't rebound? Harrington as a starter was good for 6-7 rebounds a game.

That's significantly below average for a PF/C

Somebody tell that to A'mare...

Btw, we had him in the knicks. So ww know he's a pf/sf so 6-7 rebs is about right.

I think he's played almost exclusively PF but according to the websites (82games, bball reference), Orlando played him at C last year and GSW played him 50/50 at PF and C in 2007-8. 6 a game is pretty bad for PF, though, anyway.

Once the age/injuries catch up to Melo and the physical abilities will be on a decline, it will likely decrease a lot of his abilities on the court
What is even worse is the ego's of such players, unable to adapt and accept their decline/new role with their decline of their physical abilities
I hope we don't overpay for Melo's next contract because he will not be worth anything near a max salary, would much rather him walk for NOTHING than overpaying for him
At some point, trading him for expiring contracts, young players with potential, and draft picks, followed by TANKING for the 2014 1st round pick(in 2 years) in which we would have for ONE year, while preserving our CAP SPACE/FLEXIBILITY for the FA class of 2015

Unfortunately, Denver still owns our 2016 pick, and if we are unable to build a team/attract the FA's in the summer of 2015 without overpaying for talent, we could become a lottery talent team in which Denver could continue to build on in failures, in addition to all the 2nd round picks that we have overpaid for talents in an attempt to build around Melo by mortgaging our future that eventually will catch up with us

RonRon wrote:Al Harrington was known to be a poor man's Melo *especially as a high volume scorer* when he was younger and also a black hole
Funny how they both were once teamed up together in Denver and both played for both NYK and Denver, now we are talking about teaming them back up together
However, one is seeking a vet min contract while the other is looking to opt out for a max extension
There is only one ball and I just don't see Melo/Harrington ever fitting together especially with JR Smith and all of their weakness's in BB IQ, lack of ball movement, poor defense, and the inability to make teammates around them better

Once the age/injuries catch up to Melo and the physical abilities will be on a decline, it will likely decrease a lot of his abilities on the court
What is even worse is the ego's of such players, unable to adapt and accept their decline/new role with their decline of their physical abilities
I hope we don't overpay for Melo's next contract because he will not be worth anything near a max salary, would much rather him walk for NOTHING than overpaying for him
At some point, trading him for expiring contracts, young players with potential, and draft picks, followed by TANKING for the 2014 1st round pick(in 2 years) in which we would have for ONE year, while preserving our CAP SPACE/FLEXIBILITY for the FA class of 2015

Unfortunately, Denver still owns our 2016 pick, and if we are unable to build a team/attract the FA's in the summer of 2015 without overpaying for talent, we could become a lottery talent team in which Denver could continue to build on in failures, in addition to all the 2nd round picks that we have overpaid for talents in an attempt to build around Melo by mortgaging our future that eventually will catch up with us

CrushAlot wrote:

RonRon wrote:Al Harrington was known to be a poor man's Melo *especially as a high volume scorer* when he was younger and also a black hole
Funny how they both were once teamed up together in Denver and both played for both NYK and Denver, now we are talking about teaming them back up together
However, one is seeking a vet min contract while the other is looking to opt out for a max extension
There is only one ball and I just don't see Melo/Harrington ever fitting together especially with JR Smith and all of their weakness's in BB IQ, lack of ball movement, poor defense, and the inability to make teammates around them better

Once the age/injuries catch up to Melo and the physical abilities will be on a decline, it will likely decrease a lot of his abilities on the court
What is even worse is the ego's of such players, unable to adapt and accept their decline/new role with their decline of their physical abilities
I hope we don't overpay for Melo's next contract because he will not be worth anything near a max salary, would much rather him walk for NOTHING than overpaying for him
At some point, trading him for expiring contracts, young players with potential, and draft picks, followed by TANKING for the 2014 1st round pick(in 2 years) in which we would have for ONE year, while preserving our CAP SPACE/FLEXIBILITY for the FA class of 2015

Unfortunately, Denver still owns our 2016 pick, and if we are unable to build a team/attract the FA's in the summer of 2015 without overpaying for talent, we could become a lottery talent team in which Denver could continue to build on in failures, in addition to all the 2nd round picks that we have overpaid for talents in an attempt to build around Melo by mortgaging our future that eventually will catch up with us

Denver has rights to swap in 2016. The 2016 pick was the prize the Knicks sent to the Raps for Bargs. Not sure if I understand your last paragraph. When you talk about the future and mortgaging it are you referring to second round picks being traded for i.e Camby and Bargs? The Knicks only traded 1 first rounder in the Melo deal and since Grunwald has been in place he has traded only one first round pick, 2016 (the pick Denver has the right to swap) for Bargs.

If you don't see us overpaying for talent AFTER the trade for Melo, I don't know what to tell you
Look at what other teams acquire players that are much better for
I am not going to dissect the moves, you see what you want to see regardless of what I say so why bother

RonRon wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

RonRon wrote:Al Harrington was known to be a poor man's Melo *especially as a high volume scorer* when he was younger and also a black hole
Funny how they both were once teamed up together in Denver and both played for both NYK and Denver, now we are talking about teaming them back up together
However, one is seeking a vet min contract while the other is looking to opt out for a max extension
There is only one ball and I just don't see Melo/Harrington ever fitting together especially with JR Smith and all of their weakness's in BB IQ, lack of ball movement, poor defense, and the inability to make teammates around them better

Once the age/injuries catch up to Melo and the physical abilities will be on a decline, it will likely decrease a lot of his abilities on the court
What is even worse is the ego's of such players, unable to adapt and accept their decline/new role with their decline of their physical abilities
I hope we don't overpay for Melo's next contract because he will not be worth anything near a max salary, would much rather him walk for NOTHING than overpaying for him
At some point, trading him for expiring contracts, young players with potential, and draft picks, followed by TANKING for the 2014 1st round pick(in 2 years) in which we would have for ONE year, while preserving our CAP SPACE/FLEXIBILITY for the FA class of 2015

Unfortunately, Denver still owns our 2016 pick, and if we are unable to build a team/attract the FA's in the summer of 2015 without overpaying for talent, we could become a lottery talent team in which Denver could continue to build on in failures, in addition to all the 2nd round picks that we have overpaid for talents in an attempt to build around Melo by mortgaging our future that eventually will catch up with us

Denver has rights to swap in 2016. The 2016 pick was the prize the Knicks sent to the Raps for Bargs. Not sure if I understand your last paragraph. When you talk about the future and mortgaging it are you referring to second round picks being traded for i.e Camby and Bargs? The Knicks only traded 1 first rounder in the Melo deal and since Grunwald has been in place he has traded only one first round pick, 2016 (the pick Denver has the right to swap) for Bargs.

If you don't see us overpaying for talent AFTER the trade for Melo, I don't know what to tell you
Look at what other teams acquire players that are much better for
I am not going to dissect the moves, you see what you want to see regardless of what I say so why bother

we can do better than al harrington. the biggest need to address is a 3rd PG. i like chocolate boy but i am on the fence about him being a starter on a championship team.

unless you are loaded with superstars at PF, SF, SG in the starting lineup like the Heat is, look at the other teams from the playoffs from the East last year.
Rondo, George Hill, D Rose, Deron, Monta, Teague. These players are all expected to be better than Ray Ray at the PG position, wouldn't you think?

Dagger wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

STATMELO wrote:

tj23 wrote:Ugh We're really fishing for scraps, huh? I didn't want him 5 years ago, and I certainly don't want him now. Streak shooter who won't rebound or defend. Not even worth a roster spot. Pass.

Won't rebound? Harrington as a starter was good for 6-7 rebounds a game.

That's significantly below average for a PF/C

He's far from a center.

I agree but he's been playing center.
He's actually more like an oversized shooting guard that can't shoot

VCoug wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Dagger wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

STATMELO wrote:

tj23 wrote:Ugh We're really fishing for scraps, huh? I didn't want him 5 years ago, and I certainly don't want him now. Streak shooter who won't rebound or defend. Not even worth a roster spot. Pass.

Won't rebound? Harrington as a starter was good for 6-7 rebounds a game.

That's significantly below average for a PF/C

He's far from a center.

I agree but he's been playing center.
He's actually more like an oversized shooting guard that can't shoot

Wait, when did we start talking about Bargnani?

hahaha