gunsnewing wrote:Good point on Tyson. That is a problem. AMare too. He rolls to the basket too soon. I suppose Artest will help here. Like Jared Jeffries did

Tyson loves his "brick wall" picks that don't open up any offense because he'd rather set a hard screen. Completely ineffective...

gunsnewing wrote:

martin wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Good point on Tyson. That is a problem. AMare too. He rolls to the basket too soon. I suppose Artest will help here. Like Jared Jeffries did

Bargs very good PnR player

Nice I'm looking forward to Bargnani elevating his game in new york. If Woodson doesn't bench him

So I'm confused, what significant player has Woodson benched that you felt deserved playing time? You mention this benching thing like there are a bunch of guys who should have played; it's in like half your posts.

I'll start the list: Cope, 28 year old rookie from Europe, for maybe a few playoff games, favoring vets and the like who prob shouldn't have played as much time - JKidd, JR.

Who else after that? Marcus "Plantar" Camby?

gunsnewing wrote:I appreciate your incite and reasoning. Good stuff. Much better than being called a hater because I'm trying to talk basketball

what about hatter?

Melo respects players that he feels are in his the "elite" level and doesn't have a problem when the ball is out of his hands with those type of players
Unfortunately, we cannot add those type of players, not with the salary and limited assets we have, at least not until 2015
We need multiple skilled G/F's, big's that could defend/rebound/and shoot, while we cannot overpay for talents if we are to be a contender, including Melo himself

Outside of Cp3, I think Billups when he in his Detroit days is the perfect leader/combo guard that would allow him to play off of Melo with his ability to space the floor
Curry is probably the only other player that comes close to this skill set right now but is more of a high volume shooter when compared to Billups
Billups at his age though is not ideal, another player that would come close is Calderon
However, all of these players right now are not very good defenders, and Melo is average at best when he puts his head into it

RonRon wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:one that will automatically pass to melo when he crosses half court

That is the problem, Melo is not a great #1 option, not a good creator for the team and efficient scorer/player maker
He is what he is, a high volume scorer
That is why Woodson wants him to work with Hakeem, to be a better player, overall leader, more efficient scorer, and a playmaker for the team when his shot isn't falling

I totally disagree about melo not being a #1 option...he's the nba scoring leader and I haven't seen one of them that wasn't a 1st option.

knicks1248 wrote:

RonRon wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:one that will automatically pass to melo when he crosses half court

That is the problem, Melo is not a great #1 option, not a good creator for the team and efficient scorer/player maker
He is what he is, a high volume scorer
That is why Woodson wants him to work with Hakeem, to be a better player, overall leader, more efficient scorer, and a playmaker for the team when his shot isn't falling

I totally disagree about melo not being a #1 option...he's the nba scoring leader and I haven't seen one of them that wasn't a 1st option.

I did not say he is not a #1 option
I said he is not a GREAT #1 option
In other words, if you want to win in the regular season games, he can do it, but vs top DEFENSIVE TEAMs in the playoffs, it just won't work, not with the style he likes to play

As a #1 option,
He simply is not a good in creating for the team

and

lacks consistence efficiency

That is why Woodson wants him to train with Hakeem to improve the above
The style Melo plays, you need quality athletic/skilled/versatile players that can ALL play good 1v1 DEFENSE and good help TEAM DEFENSE, rebound, score/shoot *in order to spread him out*
We simply don't have the ability to get those type of players and instead have too many 1 dimensional players

In the past and currently, he is a HIGH VOLUME SCORER, hopefully training with Hakeem can help expand his game, otherwise I can not see how we can contend vs legit contenders in the playoffs, when it counts most, without Melo making changes to his game on top of Woodson's philsophies

knicks1248 wrote:

tj23 wrote:A pick and roll pg, which Ray is not. Somehow he forgot all that work he did in his first stint with us. That and Tyson sets screens like a ten year old.

woodson doesn't really have offense to run, every coach in the league runs pick and rolls, every coach in the league runs ISO's..

This is a question for MDA..

Other teams have a ton more movement off the ball. We are a heavy pick and roll offense. He's running almost the exact same offense D'Antoni ran with a few more wrinkles and post ups...