yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

tkf wrote:why is it taking a lot of convincing to get him here? i thought all free agents would flock here to come play with carmelo? or so I was told...

That is a reasonable question. We have four max/near max contract players, and we still aren't a very attractive option. If you spend your money on max contracts well, players will want to join your team.

At this point with what we have in place and off last year's success, I think we're attractive enough -- I think it just comes down to money with a lot of guys...And that's fine -- it would probably come down to that for me too. Little different I know, I'm a regular guy not a millionaire NBA basketball player, but like the majority on this board -- every job I've ever had in my life I have always left for a better paying opportunity. So I can certainly understand why these guys hold out for optimum money.

Having said that, man if we could get this guy...wow. Quality player....See what happens....I just hope we don't get too fixated on a longshot like this and ignore more realistic opportunities like Bobby Brown who wants to come he AND WILL take less. If Udirih spurns us and then Brown bolts to China, I'm gonna be pissed...At least come out of this thing with Bobby Brown. Beno would be an tremendous on a min. contract though, no question..

I'm talking about vet min guys. So it's not a salary issue. The only vet min guy we attracted was K-Mart.

are their many vet min players that the knicks missed on? Vet minimums that the Knicks really wanted?

Udirih, Brand, Chris Anderson, Blatche, probably more

martin wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

tkf wrote:why is it taking a lot of convincing to get him here? i thought all free agents would flock here to come play with carmelo? or so I was told...

That is a reasonable question. We have four max/near max contract players, and we still aren't a very attractive option. If you spend your money on max contracts well, players will want to join your team.

At this point with what we have in place and off last year's success, I think we're attractive enough -- I think it just comes down to money with a lot of guys...And that's fine -- it would probably come down to that for me too. Little different I know, I'm a regular guy not a millionaire NBA basketball player, but like the majority on this board -- every job I've ever had in my life I have always left for a better paying opportunity. So I can certainly understand why these guys hold out for optimum money.

Having said that, man if we could get this guy...wow. Quality player....See what happens....I just hope we don't get too fixated on a longshot like this and ignore more realistic opportunities like Bobby Brown who wants to come he AND WILL take less. If Udirih spurns us and then Brown bolts to China, I'm gonna be pissed...At least come out of this thing with Bobby Brown. Beno would be an tremendous on a min. contract though, no question..

I'm talking about vet min guys. So it's not a salary issue. The only vet min guy we attracted was K-Mart.

World Peace. Prigs could have probably gotten more money in Spain or other. Jason Kidd could have stayed in Dallas last year, and JR certainly took less money previous to this year. Sheed came out of retirement for Woody but failed.

I'm not that high on MWP anyway but I thought we used part of the exception on MWP. We definitely used it on Prigs and consequently lost Copeland.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

tkf wrote:why is it taking a lot of convincing to get him here? i thought all free agents would flock here to come play with carmelo? or so I was told...

That is a reasonable question. We have four max/near max contract players, and we still aren't a very attractive option. If you spend your money on max contracts well, players will want to join your team.

At this point with what we have in place and off last year's success, I think we're attractive enough -- I think it just comes down to money with a lot of guys...And that's fine -- it would probably come down to that for me too. Little different I know, I'm a regular guy not a millionaire NBA basketball player, but like the majority on this board -- every job I've ever had in my life I have always left for a better paying opportunity. So I can certainly understand why these guys hold out for optimum money.

Having said that, man if we could get this guy...wow. Quality player....See what happens....I just hope we don't get too fixated on a longshot like this and ignore more realistic opportunities like Bobby Brown who wants to come he AND WILL take less. If Udirih spurns us and then Brown bolts to China, I'm gonna be pissed...At least come out of this thing with Bobby Brown. Beno would be an tremendous on a min. contract though, no question..

I'm talking about vet min guys. So it's not a salary issue. The only vet min guy we attracted was K-Mart.

Kinda is a salary issue here, no? Udirih is being asked by us to take a vet minimum salary and he's clearly above that level. I'm mean we have no mney to offer at this point--I never even considered a guy like this but if they think they can convince him, awesome. By no means an elite player but he's a quality role player that's worth more than the vet minimum, that's for sure.

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

tkf wrote:why is it taking a lot of convincing to get him here? i thought all free agents would flock here to come play with carmelo? or so I was told...

That is a reasonable question. We have four max/near max contract players, and we still aren't a very attractive option. If you spend your money on max contracts well, players will want to join your team.

At this point with what we have in place and off last year's success, I think we're attractive enough -- I think it just comes down to money with a lot of guys...And that's fine -- it would probably come down to that for me too. Little different I know, I'm a regular guy not a millionaire NBA basketball player, but like the majority on this board -- every job I've ever had in my life I have always left for a better paying opportunity. So I can certainly understand why these guys hold out for optimum money.

Having said that, man if we could get this guy...wow. Quality player....See what happens....I just hope we don't get too fixated on a longshot like this and ignore more realistic opportunities like Bobby Brown who wants to come he AND WILL take less. If Udirih spurns us and then Brown bolts to China, I'm gonna be pissed...At least come out of this thing with Bobby Brown. Beno would be an tremendous on a min. contract though, no question..

I'm talking about vet min guys. So it's not a salary issue. The only vet min guy we attracted was K-Mart.

are their many vet min players that the knicks missed on? Vet minimums that the Knicks really wanted?

Udirih, Brand, Chris Anderson, Blatche, probably more

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/7/15/4525394/nba-free-agency-elton-brand-hawks

Veteran big man Elton Brand will sign a one-year contract worth $4 million with the Atlanta Hawks, according to a report from HoopsHype. Brand will back up All-Star C Al Horford and fellow free agent signing Paul Millsap in Atlanta.

Blatche and Anderson resign with their old teams and will have their early bird rights after the season so it makes sense for them to stay. The only guy I could think of is Collinson and he if from the west coast but he went to play with Paul.

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/7/10/4511230/nba-free-agency-chris-andersen-heat-contract

Instead of making just $1.7 million next season, Andersen's total payout should actually more than triple that amount.

As Mike Prada broke down for a somewhat similar situation involving Andray Blatche and the Washington Wizards, Andersen doesn't simply get to receive two salaries from two teams. Instead, a special formula is used to "offset" the salary paid by his former team, with the Nuggets paying the remaining figure.

However, because Andersen decided to sign for such a small amount, the Nuggets will still be on the hook for nearly all of his salary next season. As Prada described, "This offset amount is equal to to one half the difference between the player's salary with his new team and the minimum for a one-year veteran player."

Given that Andersen signed for just $1.7 million and the one-year veteran salary is $788,872, the total offset amount handed over to Denver is just $455,564. That leaves us with the remaining accounting on Andersen's payout for next season:

Denver pays: $4.36 million
Miami pays: $1.7 million

That gives Andersen a total payout of $6.06 million, which seems far more in line with what a top-notch defensive big man would receive from a short-term deal on the open market. However, Miami will still be on the hook for just the salary agreed to, $1.7 million, making Birdman a possible bargain over the next year.

The biggest losers in this situation, really, are the Nuggets. If Andersen had been able to find a significantly larger deal elsewhere, say for the mid-level exception starting at around $5 million, the offset figure for Denver would have been much higher. However, such a move wouldn't have significantly increased Andersen's overall income, making a return to the league's two-time defending champions a logical move.

martin wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:If Woodson plays him . Add another crumb to the mix

come on man, this all you got?

Most of the posts in the average thread are blocked for me because of this.

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

martin wrote:

tkf wrote:why is it taking a lot of convincing to get him here? i thought all free agents would flock here to come play with carmelo? or so I was told...

dude, if you got nothing to add, please move on.

Ha...more opinion policing!

Seriously. It's a great forum but I could do without the opinion policing. Violations of forum etiquette should be policed but not opinions you disagree with.

There are opinions and there are responses that have the intent of being provocative. Maybe if you say something like the original post you could include a list of guys that have given up millions to play with a certain player on another team. Something to make it not appear that you are just talking junk.

There are polite ways to ask for more info. It's clear that the opinion policing rubbed several posters the wrong way here.
I would not call what TKF said remotely close to the kind of trolling that requires an intervention from the forum moderators.

Bonn1997 wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

martin wrote:

tkf wrote:why is it taking a lot of convincing to get him here? i thought all free agents would flock here to come play with carmelo? or so I was told...

dude, if you got nothing to add, please move on.

Ha...more opinion policing!

Seriously. It's a great forum but I could do without the opinion policing. Violations of forum etiquette should be policed but not opinions you disagree with.

Couldn't agree more with this. I've been around awhile and posted on quite a few boards -- never seen a moderator get into it more with his posters than this guy...Over nothing. Over opinions that differ with his. Addressing impropriety is one thing; attacking posters for their opinions, or for making a harmless funny/amusing comment, is another...And it's the hostile/catty way he always seems to address me I find tiresome -- and my posts are all hardcore basketball-based...I refrain from all else -- I don't even participate on the Alba thread... Jesus, lighten up already...Lay back, Mac! Just keepin' it real... Watch, I get told to "move on" now..lmao

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

martin wrote:

tkf wrote:why is it taking a lot of convincing to get him here? i thought all free agents would flock here to come play with carmelo? or so I was told...

dude, if you got nothing to add, please move on.

Ha...more opinion policing!

Seriously. It's a great forum but I could do without the opinion policing. Violations of forum etiquette should be policed but not opinions you disagree with.

There are opinions and there are responses that have the intent of being provocative. Maybe if you say something like the original post you could include a list of guys that have given up millions to play with a certain player on another team. Something to make it not appear that you are just talking junk.

There are polite ways to ask for more info. It's clear that the opinion policing rubbed several posters the wrong way here.
I would not call what TKF said remotely close to the kind of trolling that requires an intervention from the forum moderators.

I think Martin and Andrew let this sort of thing go to a point.