Papabear wrote:

Dagger wrote:Wow papabear, when you go for the haterade you really leave the sippy cup at home. Enough with these repetitive threads already. Dolan sucks, our GM Sucks, the Nets are AH-MAZING! How many times can people say the same thing? The world may never know!

Papabear Says

I'm not hating I'm just vetting and a little annoyed that we are in this situation. Like I said we have not won a title in over 40 years. Since that time the Lakers won, the Bulls won, Boston won a championship. Why not us? The Mecca of Basketball. Maybe Dolan should be forced to sell the team. Knicks fans deserve better. I'm not hatin like you know who! If they stunk for another 10 years id still be a Knicks die hard fan.

Actually its been exactly 40 yrs....

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

Some where along the line we dropped the ball again. When we trade a player or two we have to give up our draft picks. When another team trade their players they get draft picks. I took a good look at what the Nets did this summer and they cleaned our clocks. Here in New York is the Mecca of basketball and we can't seem to put a championship team on the floor. We over pay for everything we do. How could we have been so stupid to give Amare a deal like that knowing the shape his knees were in. Now we are screwed. Melo will opt out at the end of the season and if he grabs a max money with out trying to do the LeBron thing as to giving something back to help the team as him being the leader then I say let him go and we do what Boston is doing but Na we are too stupid to do that. I believe that New Yorkers are starting to say If you can't win with the team you love, then love the team across the bridge. The Knicks really have done nothing this season to really get better. We got Metta world peace at the end of his career. What happened to Chris Paul?? oh we got Tyson Chandler and over paid for a center who can't score who can't make a jump shot. I have not heard a word from the team leader Melo. Why wasn't he on the phones calling players to come to New York. If we had the players to trade for Rondo Boston still would not do business with us. They are rebuilding and they decided to give the Nets their top player to kick our ass until they are ready to do it again in a few years. I now believe that last season was it for us. In order for us to have a chance we must develop young players which the Knicks don't believe in. If the Nets kick ass this season the Knicks will become secondary and you will start seeing Knicks heads fans saying oh what the hell ain't no use the Knick ain't never gonna contend so let's go Nets. Dolan don't have a free pass anymore in New York. People are sick and tired of their bone headed moves and not being able to move at all and that's where we are at now. Come on a starting line up with Felton and Prigs and Shump?? or Bargs?? Who is that gonna beat. All Woody wants to do is shoot 3 pointers all day kiss JR's butt and we are not a good 3 point shooting team anyway.We just may be witnessing the Fall of the New York Knicks as the most popular team in the city. Hey I'm a New York Knicks die hard fan. But when I see a half ass team like this and we are pretending that we have something?? Come on now! Let's be real. We only have one big man 7 footer and we are running around chasing point guards instead of finding a big 7 footer who can shoot and defend. It's a big joke man. a big big joke.

While its hard to argue with any of what your saying about past moves that have been rehashed a million times by me included.While I share your disdain for the overpaying on every single contract and every single trade the Knicks make, remember the Nets have cashed in every asset they have until 2020.Not for players that have 5-10 years left they can build on but guys who have a 2 year shelf life at best. I still see issues with that NET team, being the slowest and least athletic team in the NBA is going to be hard to overcome to win a championship.
Im not sure where u thought the Knicks were finding a 7' player that shoots and defends with no cap room.The draft was the only chance to possibly get a player like that without spending loads of cash. 7 footers that just foul guys 6 times get more then the the LLE. 7 footers that shoot and defend get max deals or close to it

gunsnewing wrote:I would take the 2yr window the Nyets have over our situation any day. They are true championship contenders. After 40yrs I would take that chance. They added Hall of Famer's to a young core. Those guys were all effective last yr. and they added ak47 and Alan Anderson! Preferring our clumsy situation to their juggernaut is rather delusional. Who cares about the picks when they can legitimately win a ring. Maybe the 3rd pick amounts to something. They are legit contenders for 2yrs. Who cares?

Anderson was a great signing. I think you have to think there was some home cooking with the AK47 signing and move on. However, it might be their best move of the offseason. the trade for pierce, Garnett, and terry was a huge risk and may not work out. They could win a championship. I still think the Knicks win the Atlantic. I also get tired of the clumsy label being thrown around. I am not a fan of PJax and saw that as a bitter guy taking shots at an organization that didnt even call him for an interview when they hired their coach. The Knicks are in a spot where it is very hard to make big changes because of their cap and draft pick situation. But the way the moving of a second round pick is anaiyzed on this board for months and even years makes me think any move to better the current team is going to be viewed as trashing the future. The two second rounders for Camby and bargs are talked about like they were the foundation for a bright knick future.

CrushAlot wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Absolutely. We give up this picks anyway. Only difference is why waste them on role players not championship caliber pieces. Example bring the picks we gave up for Bargs and camby

The celts wanted to rebuild not build a DLeague roster. There is a huge difference between two second round picks or two second round picks and a compromised first round pick and three first round picks.

The only difference is you pay more for a 1st rd pick. You know the first 2 picks will be late first rd picks right? Even if Garnett and pierce are in and out of the lineup the Nyets are not bad enough to be in the lottery. Maybe and I mean maybe the 3rd pick will be a higher 1st rd pick. I would take Garnett pierce and terry over Tim Hardaway JR anyday

gunsnewing wrote:Absolutely. We give up this picks anyway. Only difference is why waste them on role players not championship caliber pieces. Example bring the picks we gave up for Bargs and camby

Perhaps you have not studied the Nets cap and roster situation. Because of DWil and JJ....and the probable fact that they will likely be over the apron for the next 3 years, they will be hamstrung with very few picks nor ability to make moves. They may win it all.....or not this year. Teams thrown together for a short run in BBall seldom work smoothly out of the starting gate and win it all in year 1. Also factor in a rookie coach. After this year, they will begin a steep decline.

I'm not in love with the Knicks roster.....but I'm also not caught up in the "grass is greener with the Nets" complex that some Knicks fans seem to have. If I was a Nets fan, I would be worried about the future risk that was created by throwing together a bunch of older guys.

I'm gonna step back now because there is no point in arguing with Knicks fans on a Knicks forum

gunsnewing wrote:Deron brook and joe. They didn't have any career threatening injuries. I hope people realize that they are much better equipped to sustain injuries than th Knicks are. An injury to Melo or Tyson and the Knicks are a lottery team without lottery picks.

I'm gonna step back now because there is no point in arguing with Knicks fans on a Knicks forum

Deron of the bad ankles and Brook of the bad foot??

Not to mention KG and PP being old as the dirt.

Too many people overrating the Nets for their past accomplishments...