The hating of Carmelo goes way to far there. I admit he is a flawed player but to act like he isnt a starter in the NBA is beyond ridiculous.Ron Artest cant defend anymore.
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The hating of Carmelo goes way to far there. I admit he is a flawed player but to act like he isnt a starter in the NBA is beyond ridiculous.Ron Artest cant defend anymore.
it's not a question of demotion it's a question of effectiveness. i already said to martin you can just make a wholesale swap of the bench and the starters for all i care, keeping artest out there with either group. he may not be a great defender anymore but you can't begrudge him his energy and passion.
players like chandler and shumpert suffer the most when they are forced to be on the court with players like smith, melo, felton, and stoudemire. so i would opt to keep them separated at all costs. having prigioni out there with chandler and shumpert will keep them happy and engaged.
is there a problem with having a starting lineup of felton, smith, melo, artest, and stoudemire? and if so what is that problem?
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The hating of Carmelo goes way to far there. I admit he is a flawed player but to act like he isnt a starter in the NBA is beyond ridiculous.Ron Artest cant defend anymore.
it's not a question of demotion it's a question of effectiveness. i already said to martin you can just make a wholesale swap of the bench and the starters for all i care, keeping artest out there with either group. he may not be a great defender anymore but you can't begrudge him his energy and passion.
players like chandler and shumpert suffer the most when they are forced to be on the court with players like smith, melo, felton, and stoudemire. so i would opt to keep them separated at all costs. having prigioni out there with chandler and shumpert will keep them happy and engaged.
is there a problem with having a starting lineup of felton, smith, melo, artest, and stoudemire? and if so what is that problem?
the problem is no one will take you seriously if you think Melo should come off the bench or Amare should be a starting center.
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The hating of Carmelo goes way to far there. I admit he is a flawed player but to act like he isnt a starter in the NBA is beyond ridiculous.Ron Artest cant defend anymore.
it's not a question of demotion it's a question of effectiveness. i already said to martin you can just make a wholesale swap of the bench and the starters for all i care, keeping artest out there with either group. he may not be a great defender anymore but you can't begrudge him his energy and passion.
players like chandler and shumpert suffer the most when they are forced to be on the court with players like smith, melo, felton, and stoudemire. so i would opt to keep them separated at all costs. having prigioni out there with chandler and shumpert will keep them happy and engaged.
is there a problem with having a starting lineup of felton, smith, melo, artest, and stoudemire? and if so what is that problem?
the problem is no one will take you seriously if you think Melo should come off the bench or Amare should be a starting center.
then lets have your starting lineup.
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Vmart wrote:I would start. Melo sf Barg of Amare c Shump sg Felton pg
If Amare was an ironman and durable, Id go this way too as I think he is more effective at C. Rebounding would potentially be horrible woth those two downlow but Id give it a try.
Now, since Amare is Mr. Crystal, thats a "no no".
The reason I would start Amare is we need to get him out of the way. I don't believe in the minutes rule with any player as they can be injured any given minute. Another thing is if Amare is somehow healthy the Knicks are served better by having Amare on the floor. Any way you look at it Amare is the second superstar the team really needs I don't like the idea of making him a bench player.
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Vmart wrote:I would start. Melo sf Barg of Amare c Shump sg Felton pg
If Amare was an ironman and durable, Id go this way too as I think he is more effective at C. Rebounding would potentially be horrible woth those two downlow but Id give it a try.
Now, since Amare is Mr. Crystal, thats a "no no".
The reason I would start Amare is we need to get him out of the way. I don't believe in the minutes rule with any player as they can be injured any given minute. Another thing is if Amare is somehow healthy the Knicks are served better by having Amare on the floor. Any way you look at it Amare is the second superstar the team really needs I don't like the idea of making him a bench player.
LMAO get him out of the way is a funny way to put it. You may be right though. Play him if he gets hurt he gets hurt so be it. Protecting him wont work
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any SL without Melo in it is a waste of time to post.
Woody is a player's coach despite his rhetoric about keeping guys honest and holding them accountable.
I dont think it matters, but knowing what I know about these players and this coach: SL: Felton, Shump, Artest, Melo, Chandler 2nd unit: JR, Prigo, Bargs, Amare
Those are the nine I expect Woody to base his rotation around. Anyone else will have to earn minutes.
Lot of old guys in that rotation with tons of mileage. Opportunities will be a plenty
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fishmike wrote:any SL without Melo in it is a waste of time to post.
Woody is a player's coach despite his rhetoric about keeping guys honest and holding them accountable.
I dont think it matters, but knowing what I know about these players and this coach: SL: Felton, Shump, Artest, Melo, Chandler 2nd unit: JR, Prigo, Bargs, Amare
Those are the nine I expect Woody to base his rotation around. Anyone else will have to earn minutes.
Lot of old guys in that rotation with tons of mileage. Opportunities will be a plenty
that is dysfunctional starting lineup. bench also dysfunctional.
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fishmike wrote:any SL without Melo in it is a waste of time to post.
Woody is a player's coach despite his rhetoric about keeping guys honest and holding them accountable.
I dont think it matters, but knowing what I know about these players and this coach: SL: Felton, Shump, Artest, Melo, Chandler 2nd unit: JR, Prigo, Bargs, Amare
Those are the nine I expect Woody to base his rotation around. Anyone else will have to earn minutes.
Lot of old guys in that rotation with tons of mileage. Opportunities will be a plenty
that is dysfunctional starting lineup. bench also dysfunctional.
Of course its dysfunctional. The best players on the team cant build a cohesive unit. The team doesnt have 1 pure SF on the roster
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fishmike wrote:any SL without Melo in it is a waste of time to post.
Woody is a player's coach despite his rhetoric about keeping guys honest and holding them accountable.
I dont think it matters, but knowing what I know about these players and this coach: SL: Felton, Shump, Artest, Melo, Chandler 2nd unit: JR, Prigo, Bargs, Amare
Those are the nine I expect Woody to base his rotation around. Anyone else will have to earn minutes.
Lot of old guys in that rotation with tons of mileage. Opportunities will be a plenty
that is dysfunctional starting lineup. bench also dysfunctional.
You've single-handedly made this thread dysfunctional. And I already gave my starting lineup.
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fishmike wrote:any SL without Melo in it is a waste of time to post.
Woody is a player's coach despite his rhetoric about keeping guys honest and holding them accountable.
I dont think it matters, but knowing what I know about these players and this coach: SL: Felton, Shump, Artest, Melo, Chandler 2nd unit: JR, Prigo, Bargs, Amare
Those are the nine I expect Woody to base his rotation around. Anyone else will have to earn minutes.
Lot of old guys in that rotation with tons of mileage. Opportunities will be a plenty
that is dysfunctional starting lineup. bench also dysfunctional.
You've single-handedly made this thread dysfunctional. And I already gave my starting lineup.
not in this thread you didn't. so what is it. just need five names.
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fishmike wrote:any SL without Melo in it is a waste of time to post.
Woody is a player's coach despite his rhetoric about keeping guys honest and holding them accountable.
I dont think it matters, but knowing what I know about these players and this coach: SL: Felton, Shump, Artest, Melo, Chandler 2nd unit: JR, Prigo, Bargs, Amare
Those are the nine I expect Woody to base his rotation around. Anyone else will have to earn minutes.
Lot of old guys in that rotation with tons of mileage. Opportunities will be a plenty
that is dysfunctional starting lineup. bench also dysfunctional.
great feedback. Maybe it would be better if I benched the face of the franchise?
I would say the SL was dysfunctional enough to get the #2 seed and win the Atlantic last year. Woody isnt going to play 2 PGs this year to start, Prigs will come off the bench. Makes sense that Bargs comes off with him as his need for another Euro type player has been well documented. That means Prigs/Bargs to the bench. We also know Woody just loves playing Melo at the 4, so dont expect that to change. The only real debate is if JR starts, and after last year's playoff fizzle I suspect JR keeps the same role he had last year.
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fishmike wrote:any SL without Melo in it is a waste of time to post.
Woody is a player's coach despite his rhetoric about keeping guys honest and holding them accountable.
I dont think it matters, but knowing what I know about these players and this coach: SL: Felton, Shump, Artest, Melo, Chandler 2nd unit: JR, Prigo, Bargs, Amare
Those are the nine I expect Woody to base his rotation around. Anyone else will have to earn minutes.
Lot of old guys in that rotation with tons of mileage. Opportunities will be a plenty
that is dysfunctional starting lineup. bench also dysfunctional.
great feedback. Maybe it would be better if I benched the face of the franchise?
I would say the SL was dysfunctional enough to get the #2 seed and win the Atlantic last year. Woody isnt going to play 2 PGs this year to start, Prigs will come off the bench. Makes sense that Bargs comes off with him as his need for another Euro type player has been well documented. That means Prigs/Bargs to the bench. We also know Woody just loves playing Melo at the 4, so dont expect that to change. The only real debate is if JR starts, and after last year's playoff fizzle I suspect JR keeps the same role he had last year.
I'm expecting a mutiny this coming season. I think the players are on to Woody just by the way they commented after the playoffs.
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fishmike wrote:any SL without Melo in it is a waste of time to post.
Woody is a player's coach despite his rhetoric about keeping guys honest and holding them accountable.
I dont think it matters, but knowing what I know about these players and this coach: SL: Felton, Shump, Artest, Melo, Chandler 2nd unit: JR, Prigo, Bargs, Amare
Those are the nine I expect Woody to base his rotation around. Anyone else will have to earn minutes.
Lot of old guys in that rotation with tons of mileage. Opportunities will be a plenty
that is dysfunctional starting lineup. bench also dysfunctional.
great feedback. Maybe it would be better if I benched the face of the franchise?
I would say the SL was dysfunctional enough to get the #2 seed and win the Atlantic last year. Woody isnt going to play 2 PGs this year to start, Prigs will come off the bench. Makes sense that Bargs comes off with him as his need for another Euro type player has been well documented. That means Prigs/Bargs to the bench. We also know Woody just loves playing Melo at the 4, so dont expect that to change. The only real debate is if JR starts, and after last year's playoff fizzle I suspect JR keeps the same role he had last year.
I'm expecting a mutiny this coming season. I think the players are on to Woody just by the way they commented after the playoffs.
depends... there are certainly some guys who should remain tight and loyal. Melo and JR are certainly in his camp. Shump and Chandler appear not to be.
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