martin wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:
Moke Hamilton ‏@MokeHamilton 3h
I get that MWP and Bargi ain't great, but both are decent pieces for any team. What did #Knicks give up for them, player-wise? Not much.

Moke Hamilton ‏@MokeHamilton 3h
#Knicks added Metta World Peace, Hardaway, Jr., and Bargnani... Still working on stuff, too. Not sure why they're getting no respect, now.

who is this clown.

mwp is a volatile presence and you have to be concerned about his effect in the locker room. weird isiah/dolan-ish acquisition.

bargnani is yuck city geezus lets polish a turd why don't we.

knicks aren't winning 50 games next season lets get real. first round playoff spanking is a very real outcome.

That's the spirit - glad to have you on the bandwagon!

Talent wise, Knicks improved from last year. I don't like Bargnani, but after watching how allergic this team was to scoring in the playoffs, we can use a scoring punch off the bench. As much as I don't care for the guy, if he can take the Chris Copeland role, he will do it better.

Artest is a big gift to just be given off the waiver wire. The team looked great last year when Brewer was playing well and hitting his shot. I hope Metta can give us that, and the ability to switch with Melo and take some of the pounding inside is a definite perk. Sliding Shump back to the two is another little convenience.

I don't expect much from STAT, but another year, another chance to roll the dice and see if he can stay healthy. If he can, it's 100% bonus.

The rest of our core: Felton/JR/Melo/Tyson/Shump/Prigs/(hopefully)K-Mart have a year of chemistry under their belts.

Knicks fans tend to be bipolar...either we're over the top optimistic or borderline self-hating (and call it being a realist). Nets haven't done **** yet. Let's see them play together on the court before anointing them anything other than NY's second best.

Put it this way: Bargnani was the worst starter on a .400 team and the Lakers would rather pay MWP $8 mil to not be on the team.

apparently you don't understand the luxury tax and the Lakers situation. Read up, it's not about what you posted above.

Of course they're avoiding the luxury tax. I didn't say otherwise. You must have misread the post.

who will start in place of bargnani?

foosballnick wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

martin wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:
Moke Hamilton ‏@MokeHamilton 3h
I get that MWP and Bargi ain't great, but both are decent pieces for any team. What did #Knicks give up for them, player-wise? Not much.

Moke Hamilton ‏@MokeHamilton 3h
#Knicks added Metta World Peace, Hardaway, Jr., and Bargnani... Still working on stuff, too. Not sure why they're getting no respect, now.

who is this clown.

mwp is a volatile presence and you have to be concerned about his effect in the locker room. weird isiah/dolan-ish acquisition.

bargnani is yuck city geezus lets polish a turd why don't we.

knicks aren't winning 50 games next season lets get real. first round playoff spanking is a very real outcome.

That's the spirit - glad to have you on the bandwagon!

Talent wise, Knicks improved from last year. I don't like Bargnani, but after watching how allergic this team was to scoring in the playoffs, we can use a scoring punch off the bench. As much as I don't care for the guy, if he can take the Chris Copeland role, he will do it better.

Artest is a big gift to just be given off the waiver wire. The team looked great last year when Brewer was playing well and hitting his shot. I hope Metta can give us that, and the ability to switch with Melo and take some of the pounding inside is a definite perk. Sliding Shump back to the two is another little convenience.

I don't expect much from STAT, but another year, another chance to roll the dice and see if he can stay healthy. If he can, it's 100% bonus.

The rest of our core: Felton/JR/Melo/Tyson/Shump/Prigs/(hopefully)K-Mart have a year of chemistry under their belts.

Knicks fans tend to be bipolar...either we're over the top optimistic or borderline self-hating (and call it being a realist). Nets haven't done **** yet. Let's see them play together on the court before anointing them anything other than NY's second best.

Put it this way: Bargnani was the worst starter on a .400 team and the Lakers would rather pay MWP $8 mil to not be on the team.

apparently you don't understand the luxury tax and the Lakers situation. Read up, it's not about what you posted above.

Of course they're avoiding the luxury tax. I didn't say otherwise. You must have misread the post.

I believe that Martin is saying that you are purposely misrepresenting situational facts in order to make your negative point look stronger than it actually is. Bargs has been injured on and off in the past two seasons so it is more difficult to assess how this impacted his performance. The amnesty clause in the new CBA is part of roster movement in the NBA these days, so if the Lakers used it on MVP, it has little to do with how he will perform or how valuable he will be for the Knicks.

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

martin wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:
Moke Hamilton ‏@MokeHamilton 3h
I get that MWP and Bargi ain't great, but both are decent pieces for any team. What did #Knicks give up for them, player-wise? Not much.

Moke Hamilton ‏@MokeHamilton 3h
#Knicks added Metta World Peace, Hardaway, Jr., and Bargnani... Still working on stuff, too. Not sure why they're getting no respect, now.

who is this clown.

mwp is a volatile presence and you have to be concerned about his effect in the locker room. weird isiah/dolan-ish acquisition.

bargnani is yuck city geezus lets polish a turd why don't we.

knicks aren't winning 50 games next season lets get real. first round playoff spanking is a very real outcome.

That's the spirit - glad to have you on the bandwagon!

Talent wise, Knicks improved from last year. I don't like Bargnani, but after watching how allergic this team was to scoring in the playoffs, we can use a scoring punch off the bench. As much as I don't care for the guy, if he can take the Chris Copeland role, he will do it better.

Artest is a big gift to just be given off the waiver wire. The team looked great last year when Brewer was playing well and hitting his shot. I hope Metta can give us that, and the ability to switch with Melo and take some of the pounding inside is a definite perk. Sliding Shump back to the two is another little convenience.

I don't expect much from STAT, but another year, another chance to roll the dice and see if he can stay healthy. If he can, it's 100% bonus.

The rest of our core: Felton/JR/Melo/Tyson/Shump/Prigs/(hopefully)K-Mart have a year of chemistry under their belts.

Knicks fans tend to be bipolar...either we're over the top optimistic or borderline self-hating (and call it being a realist). Nets haven't done **** yet. Let's see them play together on the court before anointing them anything other than NY's second best.

Put it this way: Bargnani was the worst starter on a .400 team and the Lakers would rather pay MWP $8 mil to not be on the team.

apparently you don't understand the luxury tax and the Lakers situation. Read up, it's not about what you posted above.

Of course they're avoiding the luxury tax. I didn't say otherwise. You must have misread the post.

I believe that Martin is saying that you are purposely misrepresenting situational facts in order to make your negative point look stronger than it actually is. Bargs has been injured on and off in the past two seasons so it is more difficult to assess how this impacted his performance. The amnesty clause in the new CBA is part of roster movement in the NBA these days, so if the Lakers used it on MVP, it has little to do with how he will perform or how valuable he will be for the Knicks.

Well that's not what he said. But the Lakers had lots of choices on who to amnesty and they chose MWP. The fact that Bargs can't stay healthy is a negative, not a positive.

That's basically your boy's Tyson Chandler's whole career.

Bonn1997 wrote:

martin wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:
Moke Hamilton ‏@MokeHamilton 3h
I get that MWP and Bargi ain't great, but both are decent pieces for any team. What did #Knicks give up for them, player-wise? Not much.

Moke Hamilton ‏@MokeHamilton 3h
#Knicks added Metta World Peace, Hardaway, Jr., and Bargnani... Still working on stuff, too. Not sure why they're getting no respect, now.

who is this clown.

mwp is a volatile presence and you have to be concerned about his effect in the locker room. weird isiah/dolan-ish acquisition.

bargnani is yuck city geezus lets polish a turd why don't we.

knicks aren't winning 50 games next season lets get real. first round playoff spanking is a very real outcome.

That's the spirit - glad to have you on the bandwagon!

Talent wise, Knicks improved from last year. I don't like Bargnani, but after watching how allergic this team was to scoring in the playoffs, we can use a scoring punch off the bench. As much as I don't care for the guy, if he can take the Chris Copeland role, he will do it better.

Artest is a big gift to just be given off the waiver wire. The team looked great last year when Brewer was playing well and hitting his shot. I hope Metta can give us that, and the ability to switch with Melo and take some of the pounding inside is a definite perk. Sliding Shump back to the two is another little convenience.

I don't expect much from STAT, but another year, another chance to roll the dice and see if he can stay healthy. If he can, it's 100% bonus.

The rest of our core: Felton/JR/Melo/Tyson/Shump/Prigs/(hopefully)K-Mart have a year of chemistry under their belts.

Knicks fans tend to be bipolar...either we're over the top optimistic or borderline self-hating (and call it being a realist). Nets haven't done **** yet. Let's see them play together on the court before anointing them anything other than NY's second best.

Put it this way: Bargnani was the worst starter on a .400 team and the Lakers would rather pay MWP $8 mil to not be on the team.

apparently you don't understand the luxury tax and the Lakers situation. Read up, it's not about what you posted above.

Of course they're avoiding the luxury tax. I didn't say otherwise. You must have misread the post.

didn't misread the post Bonnie. In a discussion about chemistry, talent, etc, you bring up taxes another team is paying. Either you are bringing some totally irrelevant to the discussion or you don't know what's up.

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:
Moke Hamilton ‏@MokeHamilton 3h
I get that MWP and Bargi ain't great, but both are decent pieces for any team. What did #Knicks give up for them, player-wise? Not much.

Moke Hamilton ‏@MokeHamilton 3h
#Knicks added Metta World Peace, Hardaway, Jr., and Bargnani... Still working on stuff, too. Not sure why they're getting no respect, now.

who is this clown.

mwp is a volatile presence and you have to be concerned about his effect in the locker room. weird isiah/dolan-ish acquisition.

bargnani is yuck city geezus lets polish a turd why don't we.

knicks aren't winning 50 games next season lets get real. first round playoff spanking is a very real outcome.

Your Nuggets have had a horrific offseason, in comparison the Knicks has been great.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/22809558/as-nets-introduce-garnett-and-pierce-the-battle-for-new-york-reaches-new-level

Here are key snippets:

Every move the cap-strapped Knicks seemed to make was an attempt to respond to the Nets. And in that volleyball match, the Nets dominated.

The Nets got Garnett, Pierce and Terry.

The Knicks kept Pablo Prigioni, re-signed J.R. Smith on a three-year deal for moderate money and traded for Andrea Bargnani.

The Nets got Andrei Kirilenko, one of the best multi-position defenders in the league last year.

The Knicks got Metta World Peace, who's still good, but has lost a big step from his prime.

The Nets took a massive step forward, addressing their defensive concerns while adding depth and veteran leadership.

The Knicks kind of stumbled forward.

So we re-signed Prigs and JR solely as an attempt to respond to the Nets moves? Idiot! We signed MWP only because the Nets got AK47? The amnesty didn't have anything to do with it?!

Last season, New York was the better team based on record, thanks mostly to a blistering, unsustainable November and a white-hot, completely outside the realm of sustainability April. But the Knicks crashed to earth in a fiery mess in the playoffs. The Nets, meanwhile, had a good year, and had good momentum going into the playoffs, then came completely unhinged against the Bulls.

Ha- we were the better team but only based on record! And only because we had a fantastic month. Twice. So our wins don't really count. So in comparison the Nets actually had a good season because they were mediocre to poor throughout with no fantastic months.

The reason we crashed to earth in the playoffs was because: Tyson was damaged from illness (again), Melo had an injured shoulder, JR had a messed up knee, Amar'e was out/ no where near ready when he came back. Sheed and Thomas had retired.

playa2 wrote:Safe to say Nets will be like the heat when the first assembled...they will come up short.

Except they don't have nearly the same window. I think they wind up closer to 2013 Lakers than 2011 Heat - I can appreciate the move of JKidd to headcoach as fan service and a decent move down the road, but this is NOT a roster you bring in a first year coach for.

dk7th wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:

playa2 wrote:Safe to say Nets will be like the heat when the first assembled...they will come up short.

Except they don't have nearly the same window. I think they wind up closer to 2013 Lakers than 2011 Heat - I can appreciate the move of JKidd to headcoach as fan service and a decent move down the road, but this is NOT a roster you bring in a first year coach for.

of course it is. pierce and garnett are veteran leaders with championship pedigree. this is a very savvy win-win move for the nets.

So you're honestly saying that if we'd traded 3 1st round picks, 2 unprotected, for KG, Pierce and Terry, you would have been ecstatic and would be praising the move as 'savvy'? Would the media be seeing us as championship contenders?

smackeddog wrote:Man, this is a terrible article by Knicks hater Matt Moore:

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/22809558/as-nets-introduce-garnett-and-pierce-the-battle-for-new-york-reaches-new-level

Here are key snippets:

Every move the cap-strapped Knicks seemed to make was an attempt to respond to the Nets. And in that volleyball match, the Nets dominated.

The Nets got Garnett, Pierce and Terry.

The Knicks kept Pablo Prigioni, re-signed J.R. Smith on a three-year deal for moderate money and traded for Andrea Bargnani.

The Nets got Andrei Kirilenko, one of the best multi-position defenders in the league last year.

The Knicks got Metta World Peace, who's still good, but has lost a big step from his prime.

The Nets took a massive step forward, addressing their defensive concerns while adding depth and veteran leadership.

The Knicks kind of stumbled forward.

So we re-signed Prigs and JR solely as an attempt to respond to the Nets moves? Idiot! We signed MWP only because the Nets got AK47? The amnesty didn't have anything to do with it?!

Last season, New York was the better team based on record, thanks mostly to a blistering, unsustainable November and a white-hot, completely outside the realm of sustainability April. But the Knicks crashed to earth in a fiery mess in the playoffs. The Nets, meanwhile, had a good year, and had good momentum going into the playoffs, then came completely unhinged against the Bulls.

Ha- we were the better team but only based on record! And only because we had a fantastic month. Twice. So our wins don't really count. So in comparison the Nets actually had a good season because they were mediocre to poor throughout with no fantastic months.

The reason we crashed to earth in the playoffs was because: Tyson was damaged from illness (again), Melo had an injured shoulder, JR had a messed up knee, Amar'e was out/ no where near ready when he came back. Sheed and Thomas had retired.

smackeddog, do you want to know what's even worse? The article says:

Last season, New York was the better team based on record, thanks mostly to a blistering, unsustainable November and a white-hot, completely outside the realm of sustainability April. But the Knicks crashed to earth in a fiery mess in the playoffs. The Nets, meanwhile, had a good year, and had good momentum going into the playoffs, then came completely unhinged against the Bulls.

Knicks record in Nov: 11-4
Knicks record in April: 8-2

Nets record in Nov: 11-4
Nets record in April: 7-2

both teams had about the same loses in March.... and yet 2 completely different stories.