IronWillGiroud wrote:i doubt not that artest is the beast filthy bully presence you are talking about,

my concern is that, like with kidd, it is too little too late for artest to drop the buckets for us in significant role,

we will get that tease all year, of what artest would have brought us a few years ago, but now, he will maybe coach boston next season

I don't think the FO thought of him as a 2nd scorer they're adding. If anything, that was the trade for Bargs.

Like Cash Money posted, those are the specific reasons he is here. To be a glue guy who hustles, fouls hard and gets everyone going. Tyson Chandler can try to fake his enforcer role all he wants and I'm not saying he isn't a solid defender, but he is no enforcer even when he commits a hard foul. He just could never convince me, even after winnning DPOY.

It seemed like everytime some little scrap went down last yr, no one had one another's back. I'm not saying I wanna see Artest yolk a guy up after they foul somebody hard, but just having the team and opponents know that could happen can bring some more camraderie among them.

With Artest, I expect more overall team toughness, less complaining to the refs and more accountability on the D. I think that's why he is here and I am so happy he finally a Knick.

Been a long time coming... QB

CrushAlot wrote:This is a thread about why ARtest matters not what is wrong with the KNicks. Obviously threads spin and the topic changes but positives here often are overlooked by what wasn't done or how bad things are because of what still needs to be done. This is a tone that this forum takes sometimes and I find it frustrating.

CoSign +1000
No one is saying you cant have a differing opinion but the people yappin the most are always the ones spinning a situation into something THEY want to talk about as opposed to what the thread was originally about.

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Apparently, Ron had a 1.06 ppp last year which is pretty good.

According to basketball reference, he had 1.05 and the man he was guarding had 1.06.

I'll bet you that MWP's def rating improves this year and he allows fewer points. The Lakers were a really deficient defensive team at the guard spots. That tends to mess with the PF and C spot defensively. I think MWP will love playing with a few more willing defenders on the Knicks. He'll also get more help defense from his teammates than the Lakers provided. Not that the Knicks were some defensive juggernaut, but they do have the ability to defend when they want to.

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Apparently, Ron had a 1.06 ppp last year which is pretty good.

According to basketball reference, he had 1.05 and the man he was guarding had 1.06.

Are you referring to his Ortg/Drtg? Is synergy's Ppp and Ortg the same? Also, I told you I am not sold on Drtg. It's probably not a good measure of individual defense. The more I look at players switching teams the more their Drtg(even their Ortg) changes drastically.

OT:Bonn you seem like you are into WS can you tell me why Austin Daye Ws went up in Memphis

http://hoopchalk.com/2013/04/18/playoff-capsule-boston-celtics/

(Note: The disparity in PPP vs. offensive rating is likely because Synergy tracks points per play, while offensive rating is measured in points per possession.)

Bonn1997 wrote:Just because a guy has big muscles and loves to elbow players doesn't mean he'll help you win games.

Jmpasq wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Just because a guy has big muscles and loves to elbow players doesn't mean he'll help you win games.

I wasnt against the signing he is worth it for the min but im not sure where he fits. If by signing him we lose Martin who proved to be able to still guard 3 positions then it wasnt worth it. Artest isnt guarding SF's anymore so what is he? a back up 4 that isnt going to bring us anything above the rim. How helpful is that really

dk7th wrote:Sure, he's worth the min and I'm OK with having him on the roster. My criticism had more to do with people being shocked over why most analysts don't think this signing makes a big difference.

not sure his peculiar temperament is good for this collection of players or the coach... in fact it may backfire.

Bargnani may backfire. Elderly "import with no NBA experience" Pablo Prigioni was supposed to backfire.

Hell, Carmelo Anthony was supposed to cause major disruption.

The Jeremy Lin "exit stage left" was supposed to backfire on Raymond Felton.

Problemmatic, enjgmatic, over-dramatic JR Smith was supposed to backfire.

Mike Woodson backfired his way to 54 wins.

Expect the unexpected.

We ARE the New York Knickbockers on Summer vacation.

misterearl wrote:Backfire Or Fronline Fire?

dk7th wrote:Sure, he's worth the min and I'm OK with having him on the roster. My criticism had more to do with people being shocked over why most analysts don't think this signing makes a big difference.

not sure his peculiar temperament is good for this collection of players or the coach... in fact it may backfire.

Bargnani may backfire. Elderly "import with no NBA experience" Pablo Prigioni was supposed to backfire.

Hell, Carmelo Anthony was supposed to cause major disruption.

The Jeremy Lin "exit stage left" was supposed to backfire on Raymond Felton.

Problemmatic, enjgmatic, over-dramatic JR Smith was supposed to backfire.

Mike Woodson backfired his way to 54 wins.

Expect the unexpected.

We ARE the New York Knickbockers on Summer vacation.

bargnani is just a bad move. not a playoff-caliber player by any stretch.
prigioni was a good move-- don't know where u get the notion it was supposed to backfire. maybe u just enjoy making **** up.
felton is not a starting point guard let alone a playoff-caliber point guard-- he backfired.
jr smith did exactly what was expected of him-- he imploded, self-destructed, ie he backfired.
woodson got his head handed to him in the playoffs. he backfired.

artest and woodson-- that should be entertaining. i expect a bizarre power struggle. artest is a weirdo.

i expect the knicks to backfire if only because everyone else got better while the knicks made more empty-calorie lateral moves.

please don't piss down my leg and tell me it's raining.

dk7th wrote:

misterearl wrote:Backfire Or Fronline Fire?

dk7th wrote:Sure, he's worth the min and I'm OK with having him on the roster. My criticism had more to do with people being shocked over why most analysts don't think this signing makes a big difference.

not sure his peculiar temperament is good for this collection of players or the coach... in fact it may backfire.

Bargnani may backfire. Elderly "import with no NBA experience" Pablo Prigioni was supposed to backfire.

Hell, Carmelo Anthony was supposed to cause major disruption.

The Jeremy Lin "exit stage left" was supposed to backfire on Raymond Felton.

Problemmatic, enjgmatic, over-dramatic JR Smith was supposed to backfire.

Mike Woodson backfired his way to 54 wins.

Expect the unexpected.

We ARE the New York Knickbockers on Summer vacation.

bargnani is just a bad move. not a playoff-caliber player by any stretch.
prigioni was a good move-- don't know where u get the notion it was supposed to backfire. maybe u just enjoy making **** up.
felton is not a starting point guard let alone a playoff-caliber point guard-- he backfired.
jr smith did exactly what was expected of him-- he imploded, self-destructed, ie he backfired.
woodson got his head handed to him in the playoffs. he backfired.

artest and woodson-- that should be entertaining. i expect a bizarre power struggle. artest is a weirdo.

i expect the knicks to backfire if only because everyone else got better while the knicks made more empty-calorie lateral moves.

please don't piss down my leg and tell me it's raining.