3G4G wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

3G4G wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

3G4G wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Nate and Metta on the same team. That would be something to see lol.

Right Metta Nate Kenyon--but they are tough tough guys play well and give swagger these guys are all vets--I cant see shanigans. Woudl this team last year beat Indiana with Metta and Nate? Maybe. I dont like putting so much on JR Smiths back--I dont want him taking 18 shots. We need more offense. Artes and either nate or Brooks would bring balance along with possibly Hardaway Jr. We were number 1 in iso last year and nunbger 30 in transition. We need more ball movement and more scoring balance.

This is why I think you're horrible at analyzing a team and often times players in general....

No this team doesn't need more offense. I think out of fear how this team is coached and managed it dictates what you're looking for in a player... instead of looking at how the game should be played in general. If we brought in players that actually filled our biggest needs, it more than likely forces the hand of how we play.

So no I don't want to bring in Nate and Bargnani and Delfino and Martell Webster so it stops Smith and Melo from hoisting up 25fga in a game at 40 PACENT.

What I want is to bring in players like Carl Landry and Luke Ridnour and Earl Clark and DeJaun Blair and Brandan Wright and James Johnson and Beno Udrich who play the game the right way. Who do all the little things the team needs, rebounding, on court direction, toughness, youth, leadership.

Enough with salivating offensive players. If Smith has matured and Melo is really hungry and it's his time, and Shumpert is fully recovered and Paul George squared, and Felton is a heart of bargain, and Bargnani is restored to vigor.... then we don't need anymore offensive players.

Briggs is one of the most civil posters here, not sure why you had to throw that in.

Briggs is civil and contributes well but it doesn't change the fact....he's often times all over the map, flip-flops, 1 dimensional.

Anyone who says J.R. Smith is worth $50mil and we should sign Jermaine O'neal with our MME, and talks up bad offensive players I have to question their overall train of thought.

It came off as a direct dig but really he's not the only one. Fans focus way too much on offense and scoring the ball looking at those players to solve our problems. Look the game is played with only 1 basketball. Where's the balance Gustav?

Posters have busted Briggs on changing his mind, but that's a big leap to he doesn't know anything about the game. That stuff is RealGM 3G4G. Posters get into heated arguments here at times, but not to the point where they show that level of disrespect. One of the reasons why this is such a great site.

Okay Gustav...gotcha

1 question where were you all those times I've been called out like being accused of being other posters on this forum? Like when holfresh called me out yesterday and was proven wrong about when I post?

1 favor, can you manage to be there if say down the road similar happens to me(already has a few times even by Briggs himself)?

You could have 100 different handles for all I know, has absolutely nothing to do with your knowledge of the game. I honestly don't know if you have been here before, I don't really care. I go by what you are posting under this handle, like everyone else. If I knew for a fact that you hadn't been here before, I would have spoken up.

You did get an unfair rap for not giving the team props in the playoffs, and if I had remembered that fact I would have said something. Gettin' old lol.

BRIGGS wrote:

3G4G wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

3G4G wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Nate and Metta on the same team. That would be something to see lol.

Right Metta Nate Kenyon--but they are tough tough guys play well and give swagger these guys are all vets--I cant see shanigans. Woudl this team last year beat Indiana with Metta and Nate? Maybe. I dont like putting so much on JR Smiths back--I dont want him taking 18 shots. We need more offense. Artes and either nate or Brooks would bring balance along with possibly Hardaway Jr. We were number 1 in iso last year and nunbger 30 in transition. We need more ball movement and more scoring balance.

This is why I think you're horrible at analyzing a team and often times players in general....

No this team doesn't need more offense. I think out of fear how this team is coached and managed it dictates what you're looking for in a player... instead of looking at how the game should be played in general. If we brought in players that actually filled our biggest needs, it more than likely forces the hand of how we play.

So no I don't want to bring in Nate and Bargnani and Delfino and Martell Webster so it stops Smith and Melo from hoisting up 25fga in a game at 40 PACENT.

What I want is to bring in players like Carl Landry and Luke Ridnour and Earl Clark and DeJaun Blair and Brandan Wright and James Johnson and Beno Udrich who play the game the right way. Who do all the little things the team needs, rebounding, on court direction, toughness, youth, leadership.

Enough with salivating offensive players. If Smith has matured and Melo is really hungry and it's his time, and Shumpert is fully recovered and Paul George squared, and Felton is a heart of bargain, and Bargnani is restored to vigor.... then we don't need anymore offensive players.

These kinds of posts are incredulous. You say Carl Landry and he just signed for 8mma year. You were talkking about Monta Ellis--hes going to make 10mma a year. Udirh Blair and Wright will make 2-3 times what we can pay them. Luke Ridnour is under contract and was just traded to Milwaukee. Please do some homework and get back to me. Im talking vet minimum and being realistic about it. three vets one PG one big one wing defender. two younger guys one PG one big rookie contracts that extend out to our next FA period. I cant say Im right or wrong but Metta and lets say Tyrus Thomas and Aaaron Brooks for 4mm $ is not bad. I do not even think nate will take less--but I would also take nate for 1.8mm right now beggars are not exactly choosers.

I did not want Monta Ellis and I knew we had no shot at Landry.... "this summer".

I wanted Landry when Billups got amnestied. I did not want to use our $15mil in cap exclusively on Tyson Chandler. I wanted 2 players at least with the cap space. I'm referring to a general model of who to look at season to season as players become available.

I wanted Clark before he went to the Lakers.

I wanted Blair as the 2nd additional pick in the 2009 draft.

I want Ridnour to rid ourselves of Felton's 2015 salary. Are you following the process here? Proactive forward thinking moves. Had we signed someone like Landry especially on 1 or 2 yr deals(which that's what he's received since we've signed Chandler) until this off-season....maybe we wouldn't have multiple threads 2-3pages or more on why we lost Chris "freakin" Copeland in free agency.

I mentioned Monta this off-season as a means to rebuff the idea we're planning for 2015..I still don't believe it although I could be wrong and if we are, whether we make good on the plan or not I'll be the first to post I was wrong. A couple seasons ago when Monta wasn't in Milwaukee I believed he was a similar offensive threat to Melo and most certainly bang for buck considering what both got paid. Make no mistake about it I did not want Monta here... unless it meant we were blowing things up and somehow by way of miraculous works it set us up for the brightest future we could ever imagine.

Now you made a thread I think a couple weeks back discussing how we do business and you were spot on there, but then when it comes down to the nitty gritty of fixing the fudge job you'll go almost down a similar path that got us here posting ideas and what ifs?

3G we have very little money to spend--when was the last time we had a chance to spend money Tyson Chandler two year ago--its impossible or a waste of time in my mind to believe a player worth 8mm will sign for 1mm. Like I said --Im not sure if Im right or wrong but I think the fundamental basis is sound

3 vets at 1.8 1.31.13 min and two rookie contracts 475X3 for a PG and a C. With what is left--having Metta Kenyon and nate or Brooks for a total of 4mm and then geting a 7 foot 260 pound rookie C and a 6-3 rookie PG well I think that would be my blueprint. We cant signb a Carl Landry--we must find our own. The way to do that is signing promising young players like Sims and Buycks to 2-3 years scaled rookie contracts with team options like the Rockets and Spurs do. If they workout great if not its a non issue.

Okay I see some points here, once again I know we can't sign Landry it was a principally thought idea, hence me mentioning players like Clark/Johnson. Clark is out too as he signed in Cleveland but I wanted him well before he signed there. Yes we have to find our own Carl Landry.

I guess what has me frustrated is fans say..."well what do you expect we have no money to sign players"....Well why you think some of us have been gripin for so long over the Melo/Tyson/Amar'e/Novak/Camby deals? Because we never wanted to be in this kind of financial quagmire. We saw this coming.

Now if Grunny can't sign anymore, fans will be apologizing that Grunny failed Melo in getting him some help, while spending the whole summer prior to... apologizing for Grunny saying he couldn't do anything about it.

While we no longer have Novak and Camby it came at a cost(an unnecessary one), so my Barg expectations soar through the roof. He's not exempt from the critical bullseye, same way I look at Melo. I could care less what Barg's PPG is but he better play with some defensive passion and consistency every night. He better not back down to anyone or play super soft or finesse or I'm gonna be all over him. He's not the kind of player I'd ever want on my team, ever.

Think of how much some of you would loathe rooting for Pierce or Chris Bosh or Micheal Beasley...well that's how I feel about 3 players on our team right now.

Oh btw good call on Olynyk he is good, really good at some point you were bound to hit the nail on the head. But the reason Ainge has Olynyk they held onto/acquired assets proving to be savvy enough to get him. We need more of this type of management versus trying to turn a Fake Superstar into a Superstar....or even finding our own Carl Landry, although I'll take anything remotely close to the latter at this point.

BRIGGS wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Artest-- 1 year vet minimum
Aaron Brooks or Nate Robinson 2 years 3.8mm
Kenyon Martin or Tyrus Thomas 1 year vet minimum
Henry Sims 2+1 year rookie salary contract
Dwight Buycks 2+1 rookie minimum salary

Do you think Sims is going to become an NBA player?

Hes an NBA player--we need a Sims look how his body filled out hes 6-11 260 with a 7-4 wingspan and 23 years old. on a 48 min adj basis he was the best passing b ig man in the D league as well. We need that exrta big body. That would also give us

Shumpert
Leslie
Hardaway
Buycks
Sims for the now and the future so we dont lead the cupboard dry in 2 years. The younger guys can help with energy injury problems and especially transition help.

That would leave us at

C-Tyson Chandler
F Andrea Bargani
F Carmelo Anthony
G Iman Shumpert
G Ray Felton

C Amare Studemire
F Kenyon Martin
G JR Smith
F Metta
G Aaron Brooks

in the pen

Simms
Leslie
Hardaway
Buycks
Prigioni

BRIGGS wrote:Artest-- 1 year vet minimum
Aaron Brooks or Nate Robinson 2 years 3.8mm
Kenyon Martin or Tyrus Thomas 1 year vet minimum
Henry Sims 2+1 year rookie salary contract
Dwight Buycks 2+1 rookie minimum salary

n8 seems to be in the same situation this offseason as he was last. Doesn't want to accept the minimum while teams don't want to pay him anymore than that. I can understand him being concerned about shrinking play time with Rose coming back. Would love to have him back and unlike many here, I loved him when he was here. Dude had to leave and perform elsewhere before many here started appreciating what he brings/brought to the table. At one point after the allstar break (as a Knick), N8 was one of the highest scoring players in the entire league.

Overall i like the players listed in ronrons last post.

One player that ppl forget is dahntay jones...a versatile perimeter defender who is athletic. Id take him over metta world war.

Im not a big fan of sims and never will be. Slow and kot athletic. Im a big fan of jeremy tyler tho. I hope he plays well

Overall...i think we need a back pg...aj price or telfair and a big man...kmart or brandon wright or blair...a wing would be nice but thats not a priority.

PG
Aaron Brooks
Roddy Beaubois - Interested in his overall talent - can get past the fact that he's not a true point.
Charles Jenkins - Ditto Beaubois. His youth, plus size, talent level & potential all intrigue me.

SF
Ron Artest - Difference maker. Difficult to see how he slips through though -- someone under the cap will put in a claim or he goes to the LAC. We'll see.
Craig Brackins
Shawne Williams
Tim Abromaitis - 40%+ 3-pt shooting specialist could be useful. I'd make room for him, even as the 15th man.

CENTER
Earl Barron - I'd sign this guy immediately and actually USE HIM in games.
Jerome Jordan - There are better options out there (Marcus Cousin for one) but they like this guy.

PF
Brand - I'm not waiting around forever though.
Jamelle Hagins - Take the chance on some more youth and upside. If there's one position where you can get away with youth the most it's probably at the 4 -- bang and rebound. Young guys are better equipped to handle the pounding than over-the-hill vets.
DJ White - did the Celtics pick up the team option on this guy?
Jordan Williams
JaJuan Johnson
Trevor Mbakwe
K-Mart

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Roster I'd be OK with:

5 - Chandler
4 - Bargnani
3 - Melo
2 - Shumpert
1 - Felton
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5 - Barron
4 - Amar'e
3 - Artest or Shawne Williams. EDIT: if they wanted to show some guts, slide Leslie up here right from jumpstreet -- play and develop him on the fly -- and take another big below.
2 - JR Smith
1 - Brooks
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Extra big - Elton Brand, Jamelle Hagins, DJ White or K-Mart.
3-pt specialist - Tim Abromaitis
3 - CJ Leslie
2 - Hardaway Jr.
1 - Prigioni

And I think they're nuts on Barron btw -- they seem content to let him go by the wayside -- if it were up to me, he would've been resigned already and he'd be part of this rotation. Barron = experience and production. Extra size, underrated offensively and he'd be an instant equalizer on the glass for us. Sometimes the answers are right there in front of you the whole time.

And I agree on Chris Smith -- I really hope he doesn't occupy a roster spot.

If we were scared JR was gonna bolt, OK--that's the only way I can see this pick and even then, the strategy's flawed: you could've easily made the case for Bullock, Crabbe, Rice Jr., Ledo, etc. over THJ I feel... And if all we were looking for was a capable long-range shooter, Canaan's a better shooter than THJ. Canaan was one of the best shooters in this whole draft in fact...I don't get it -- we really needed a PG too. Again, not trying to trash THJ so relax with that -- it was just a puzzling selection. I mean to me -- Isaiah Canaan AND (insert a good 8-10 names here at SG - Kim English?) would've been more valuable to the cause as a whole than THJ. I don't even see how you can argue it.

BRIGGS wrote:Artest-- 1 year vet minimum
Aaron Brooks or Nate Robinson 2 years 3.8mm
Kenyon Martin or Tyrus Thomas 1 year vet minimum
Henry Sims 2+1 year rookie salary contract
Dwight Buycks 2+1 rookie minimum salary

I'm pretty much with you on this Briggs.

I have...

#1 Artest
#2 Nate
#3 T. Thomas (trust his ability to stay healthy over long season more than KMART) --- but also fine with KMART

If we got those 3 (Artest/Nate/Thomas) or (Artest/Nate/KMART) --- wow that would be nice.

I tend to think the Knicks may prefer Telfair on a minimum deal (only because of concerns with chemistry - enough balls to go round with Nate)