smackeddog wrote:

callmened wrote:wait a second...dont faried and JJ play the same position...with the same skills?!?! a lil redundant?

Shhhhhh, after losing one of the best GMs, a great coach and Iggy, people are desperately running out of material to keep up the illusion that the Nuggets are the greatest run team in the nba! In actual fact they're in the dreaded zone of being capped out and mediocre- kind of what we always get blasted for. $60mil for that roster- really?!

Hickson got what he deserved- he puts up pretty good stats but there are reasons for teams not wanting to sign him. Hickson, Anthony Randolph, McGee- they're not exactly winners. This is not an amazing move for them.

A shame, as despite the constant Nuggets campaigns on these boards, I did like that team- but I don't know how anyone can deny that their ownership has ruined that team in the span of just a few weeks. Disaster of an offseason.

I'll keep play along...I'll predict Monta Ellis gets S&T for Miller/Arthur...Miller/Randolph since the Nuggets are about to pull off a S&T Iggy to Warriors to create a sizable TPE with Foye coming to them for $3mil.

smackeddog wrote:

callmened wrote:wait a second...dont faried and JJ play the same position...with the same skills?!?! a lil redundant?

Shhhhhh, after losing one of the best GMs, a great coach and Iggy, people are desperately running out of material to keep up the illusion that the Nuggets are the greatest run team in the nba! In actual fact they're in the dreaded zone of being capped out and mediocre- kind of what we always get blasted for. $60mil for that roster- really?!

Hickson got what he deserved- he puts up pretty good stats but there are reasons for teams not wanting to sign him. Hickson, Anthony Randolph, McGee- they're not exactly winners. This is not an amazing move for them.

A shame, as despite the constant Nuggets campaigns on these boards, I did like that team- but I don't know how anyone can deny that their ownership has ruined that team in the span of just a few weeks. Disaster of an offseason.

Great young core! Talented big men! Great shooters! 57 wins! Built for the long haul! And they don't have to endure Melo leading the league in scoring, like we do!

FeltonandAmare wrote:Jesus. You clowns will never learn. The Nuggies will never win anything with that ownership group.
They are so cheap that they traded away their first round pick in order not to pay any luxury tax.
That's the sign of an ownership group more interested in the money than winning championships. Some
clowns just never learn. Anyone thinking the Nuggies will win anything and that they won the Melo
trade are seriously delusional.

I would love to see the reaction here with the OhWhyOhWhyCan'tMeloGoBacktoDenver crowd if we traded away a 1st rounder (even at #27) after getting knocked out in the 1st round.

smackeddog wrote:

3G4G wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

callmened wrote:wait a second...dont faried and JJ play the same position...with the same skills?!?! a lil redundant?

Shhhhhh, after losing one of the best GMs, a great coach and Iggy, people are desperately running out of material to keep up the illusion that the Nuggets are the greatest run team in the nba! In actual fact they're in the dreaded zone of being capped out and mediocre- kind of what we always get blasted for. $60mil for that roster- really?!

Hickson got what he deserved- he puts up pretty good stats but there are reasons for teams not wanting to sign him. Hickson, Anthony Randolph, McGee- they're not exactly winners. This is not an amazing move for them.

A shame, as despite the constant Nuggets campaigns on these boards, I did like that team- but I don't know how anyone can deny that their ownership has ruined that team in the span of just a few weeks. Disaster of an offseason.

I'll keep play along...I'll predict Monta Ellis gets S&T for Miller/Arthur...Miller/Randolph since the Nuggets are about to pull off a S&T Iggy to Warriors to create a sizable TPE with Foye coming to them for $3mil.

But haven't you spent the past season complaining about Melo being a selfish, chucking ball hog- I'm not sure why you're suddenly excited about Monta Ellis.

I'm not trolling, I'm just surprised that you're not as irate about the Nuggets moves this offseason as I am- I get the impression I'm more distraught about them than you are, and I'm not even a fan!

Plus Marc Stein seems to think a S & T with Iggy means no Ellis anyways:

Volume rising on rumbles Randy Foye will wind up w/Nuggets. Which would take DEN out of Monta Ellis race & clear way for Hawks to sign Monta

I think it would add to what they can do, they don't have to sign Monta as the TPE creates multiple options for them to sign free agents. Not sure if what said there as the Hawks are discussing a Jennings and Teague swap. So we'll see what happens.

But hey let's get excited over the idea of signing Dohntay Jones another Melo flunkie boy(former Nugget teammate) for this team. Whippieeeee!!!!!

tkf wrote:

TheloniusMonk wrote:Those numbers are about right for Hickson.

maybe, but lets ask this?

why couldn't we get carmelo for what he is really worth? is he worth 20 mil? NO

why couldn't we sign amare for his true worth?

why couldn't we sign tyson chandler for his true worth?

Novak?

Camby?

It always seems like we overpay for everyone..

when you look at it, hickson is a bargain..

splitter got 4/36

landry 4/28

milsap 2/19

josh smith 4/56

david west 3/36

hickson was a bargain.. a double double guy at 5 mil and still young...

really, you had to bring that here??? Nah, just joking with you TK. You are hearing from the NEW kinder, gentler Nykal.....at least as long as the drugs last

I like JJ, wouldn't mind him on my Knicks but, his position is already overloaded here. Rare to see a guy get paid pretty much what I felt he is worth. Guys are usually either overpaid or, severely underpaid.

DurzoBlint wrote:

tkf wrote:

TheloniusMonk wrote:Those numbers are about right for Hickson.

maybe, but lets ask this?

why couldn't we get carmelo for what he is really worth? is he worth 20 mil? NO

why couldn't we sign amare for his true worth?

why couldn't we sign tyson chandler for his true worth?

Novak?

Camby?

It always seems like we overpay for everyone..

when you look at it, hickson is a bargain..

splitter got 4/36

landry 4/28

milsap 2/19

josh smith 4/56

david west 3/36

hickson was a bargain.. a double double guy at 5 mil and still young...

really, you had to bring that here??? Nah, just joking with you TK. You are hearing from the NEW kinder, gentler Nykal.....at least as long as the drugs last

I like JJ, wouldn't mind him on my Knicks but, his position is already overloaded here. Rare to see a guy get paid pretty much what I felt he is worth. Guys are usually either overpaid or, severely underpaid.

yea, I agree, that contract for Hickson is just ridiculously good.. on paper..at least.. a 25 year old guy avg 12/10 is just great..

DurzoBlint wrote:I never understood WHY players would handcuff their teams by maxing out. The GREAT MJ was underpaid most of his career because he UNDERSTOOD that the team would need to have money to surround him with the needed talent. Guys kill their own chance at winning by being greedy. What is the difference in the spending power of 80mil vs 100mil??? I doubt you could really tell the difference.

"How many yachts can you water ski behind? " I feel the same way. A player is set for life. In many cases the ring he really wants is going to cost him money, whether he likes it or not.

smackeddog wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:I never understood WHY players would handcuff their teams by maxing out. The GREAT MJ was underpaid most of his career because he UNDERSTOOD that the team would need to have money to surround him with the needed talent. Guys kill their own chance at winning by being greedy. What is the difference in the spending power of 80mil vs 100mil??? I doubt you could really tell the difference.

What you say should be true, but with the number of players who go bust a few years after retiring, i suppose they still need as much money as they can get.

Also a couple of other factors come into it. I think it's easy to get into a mentality where you're making as much money as you can based on the fact your career is over by your 30s (must be weird!), and the feeling you have to put aside enough money for your kids. Heck even David Bowie says he still worries if there's enough money for his kids when he dies. I know Spree got ridiculed when he said he had kids to feed, but its a common mentality as it taps into that fear of not being able to protect them when you die.

Also teams screw players over all the time- you can just as easily end up on a lower contract and be in a lousy situation.

Personally I'd rather be happy than maximise my earnings, but I get why so many people disagree.

You're right. Who doesn't want to get paid? If you hire a reputable financial advisor to invest your money conservatively, lets say 4 percent interest on a ten million dollar investment, that 400k before taxes. 50 million and that's 2 million a year for life. That doesn't include endorsements, merchandising, etc.. You still have that money in the bank for your kids and many generations after that.

DurzoBlint wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:I never understood WHY players would handcuff their teams by maxing out. The GREAT MJ was underpaid most of his career because he UNDERSTOOD that the team would need to have money to surround him with the needed talent. Guys kill their own chance at winning by being greedy. What is the difference in the spending power of 80mil vs 100mil??? I doubt you could really tell the difference.

What you say should be true, but with the number of players who go bust a few years after retiring, i suppose they still need as much money as they can get.

Also a couple of other factors come into it. I think it's easy to get into a mentality where you're making as much money as you can based on the fact your career is over by your 30s (must be weird!), and the feeling you have to put aside enough money for your kids. Heck even David Bowie says he still worries if there's enough money for his kids when he dies. I know Spree got ridiculed when he said he had kids to feed, but its a common mentality as it taps into that fear of not being able to protect them when you die.

Also teams screw players over all the time- you can just as easily end up on a lower contract and be in a lousy situation.

Personally I'd rather be happy than maximise my earnings, but I get why so many people disagree.

You're right. Who doesn't want to get paid? If you hire a reputable financial advisor to invest your money conservatively, lets say 4 percent interest on a ten million dollar investment, that 400k before taxes. 50 million and that's 2 million a year for life. That doesn't include endorsements, merchandising, etc.. You still have that money in the bank for your kids and many generations after that.

or say your just coming off a contract that has paid you over a hundred mil...15mil in the last year. Your kids should be secure for generations to come if they are at least somewhat intelligent.

That same player will more than likely re-up for the absolute max. Dudes is or should be well secured. It tells me that the championships is 2ndary to most of today's players. Can't speak of the players of yesterday because I was too young too know about these things and too innocent for my pops (thankfully so) to subject me to it.

I think it was that great ESPN special "Broke" where I heard someone say that some of these rooks sleep through the rookie symposium when this subject comes up. Its sad. They should have Magic Johnson give the lecture. If they don't listen to a mega successful business man like him and an NBA legend, they won't listen to anyone.