Moving forward, we're going to need to re-invest in the draft (hopefully we get a draft pick back for Copeland; and Martin if he leaves) and get a coach with a more liberal mindset. Woodson clings to relics of the past and it'll kill this team. He doesn't play/develop young players because he favors seniority and he doesn't go with the hot hand because he has favorites on the team. Can anyone explain to me why the **** Prigioni was stapled to the bench early in the season with Kidd tanking?

smackeddog wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:This is why the plan should be to go all out in 2015 but the Knicks are already deviating from that plan which makes you wonder if it is even in their plans. We will know for sure when Amare is traded for a bad contract

Look at the mavs- clearing cap space doesn't guarantee success- as we found out back when we had to sign Amar'e, sometimes you miss out on all your targets and have to settle.

I'm not a fan of this "lets give up" before the season even begins. People wanted to give up last offseason, then again in the preseason when Amar'e went down. Turned out to be a fun season.

We did well last year, people are acting like we didn't win a single game. Lets see if we can build on it.

People act like this not winning a championship is a deliberate conspiracy orchestrated by Dolan to make money. Wining a championship is damn hard- there is no easy way, no foolproof strategy- one injury spells doom.

I love the pompom waving. This organization is cursed and the worst really does happen because they leave the door open for the worst to walk right in. Like giving Amare a contract with no options. paying a one-way center big money. 54 wins last year good season season with vets but you knew they were going to break down. I liked it but as a Knicks fan we need a championship. Do you honesty think they are going to win a championship next year with what they have?

NardDogNation wrote:I'm largely indifferent to Copeland leaving. He had a few flashes in the pan but by no means was he a sure-fire player. We've actually been burned by guys like this in the past (see Steve Novak) and had some near misses as well (Jeremy Lin, Shawne Williams, Earl Barron circa 2010).
This isn't to say that the Knicks didn't screw up. For the life of me, I don't understand how/why Grunwald fails to offer flexible contracts. Would it have been so difficult to have initially signed Chris to a 2 or 3 year contract with team options? Imagine how pretty we'd be sitting right now if he did. Even if the players bombs, like James White, they could be used in trades like we did with Camby and Felton. I just don't get the Knicks and really hope they get things right in 2015 because things could quickly become just as bad as the 2000's if Melo gets injured.

Moving forward, we're going to need to re-invest in the draft (hopefully we get a draft pick back for Copeland; and Martin if he leaves) and get a coach with a more liberal mindset. Woodson clings to relics of the past and it'll kill this team. He doesn't play/develop young players because he favors seniority and he doesn't go with the hot hand because he has favorites on the team. Can anyone explain to me why the **** Prigioni was stapled to the bench early in the season with Kidd tanking?

YEA, I don't think losing copeland was a deal breaker, I always thought he was a tunnel vision offensive player... and didn't defend... pretty one dimensional.. but I think it is the way this organization goes about it's business that is most upsetting... and not signing copeland should not be a surprise..

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

I have been a knicks fan for over 55 years and celebrated the 2 championships. But lets take a closer look! New York is the Mecca of basketball. Now lets look at the big City's. Boston won multiple championships, the Lakers have won Multiple championship and Chicago and San antonio has won multiple champion ships. What have the knicks done? Nothing but bad moves and over the hill ex stars. Something is wrong with that. Why in the hell couldn't we have signed Copeland to a one year and a one year option at our discretion? or 3years. Copeland would have signed anything to get in the league. I truly believe Copeland would have came back if it wasn't for Woody. We could have been creative with some of the contracts to make it work. What gets me there is no mention of getting a draft pick 2nd round for him. We are in big ass trouble this coming season. Woody's love for JR Smith and not playing rookies will get his ass fired. We need a young coach with fresh ideas. After going over What Woody did in the playoffs and we thought Camby was hurt but no he wasn't Woody just wouldn't play him. He rather see Chandler getting his ass kicked be Hibbert all 6 games. Woody is supposed to be a defensive coach and he believe the offense will just kick in. Well that just don't work if you don't have the shooters making shots. I am embarrassed to listen to sports news and here every one talk about all the gains that other teams are making and we just get bargarnie. If things don't change we will become a team hardly making the playoffs and Melo just might bounce. The Melo hater will love that but I will say this to the Melo haters. When we get all that cap space back all the GMs from around the league will love it so they can stick all of their bad deal up our ass. We don't have any draft picks so we will just buy up bad deal until we are over the cap again and the cycle begins again. All of you haters of Melo do you really think we are capable of doing the right thing If so I have a 3 feet midget that you just might like taking Melo's place. He is a real nice guy who can pass the ball and is unselfish. Your type of guy.

I believe they wanted to be able to trade Camby so they didn't play him. I believe they didn't play Copeland because they would have to pay him. I believe Woodson didn't or couldn't command his team to play the same way he did early on because the vets who helped(coach the team SHEED -KIDD) in that stretch either got hurt or ran out of gas. This team is run by politics, not straight basketball decisions.

Over the last 30m,yrs I have seen a pattern involving this team, it only wants controversial moves to keep the excitement of drama at MSG concerning the knicks. Until we get a coach who has won titles that's all we are going to embrace, DRAMA FILLED POLITICAL MOVES ON THE BASKETBALL COURT

NardDogNation wrote:I'm largely indifferent to Copeland leaving. He had a few flashes in the pan but by no means was he a sure-fire player. We've actually been burned by guys like this in the past (see Steve Novak) and had some near misses as well (Jeremy Lin, Shawne Williams, Earl Barron circa 2010).
This isn't to say that the Knicks didn't screw up. For the life of me, I don't understand how/why Grunwald fails to offer flexible contracts. Would it have been so difficult to have initially signed Chris to a 2 or 3 year contract with team options? Imagine how pretty we'd be sitting right now if he did. Even if the players bombs, like James White, they could be used in trades like we did with Camby and Felton. I just don't get the Knicks and really hope they get things right in 2015 because things could quickly become just as bad as the 2000's if Melo gets injured.

Moving forward, we're going to need to re-invest in the draft (hopefully we get a draft pick back for Copeland; and Martin if he leaves) and get a coach with a more liberal mindset. Woodson clings to relics of the past and it'll kill this team. He doesn't play/develop young players because he favors seniority and he doesn't go with the hot hand because he has favorites on the team. Can anyone explain to me why the **** Prigioni was stapled to the bench early in the season with Kidd tanking?

We won't be able to do that. Indy's offer is more than we can match so we can't do any sign and trade.

smackeddog wrote:

tkf wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:I'm largely indifferent to Copeland leaving. He had a few flashes in the pan but by no means was he a sure-fire player. We've actually been burned by guys like this in the past (see Steve Novak) and had some near misses as well (Jeremy Lin, Shawne Williams, Earl Barron circa 2010).
This isn't to say that the Knicks didn't screw up. For the life of me, I don't understand how/why Grunwald fails to offer flexible contracts. Would it have been so difficult to have initially signed Chris to a 2 or 3 year contract with team options? Imagine how pretty we'd be sitting right now if he did. Even if the players bombs, like James White, they could be used in trades like we did with Camby and Felton. I just don't get the Knicks and really hope they get things right in 2015 because things could quickly become just as bad as the 2000's if Melo gets injured.

Moving forward, we're going to need to re-invest in the draft (hopefully we get a draft pick back for Copeland; and Martin if he leaves) and get a coach with a more liberal mindset. Woodson clings to relics of the past and it'll kill this team. He doesn't play/develop young players because he favors seniority and he doesn't go with the hot hand because he has favorites on the team. Can anyone explain to me why the **** Prigioni was stapled to the bench early in the season with Kidd tanking?

YEA, I don't think losing copeland was a deal breaker, I always thought he was a tunnel vision offensive player... and didn't defend... pretty one dimensional.. but I think it is the way this organization goes about it's business that is most upsetting... and not signing copeland should not be a surprise..

Out of curiosity TKF, how are you holding up with regards to Denver's moves this offseason? Now there's even talk of them signing Monta Ellis- the horror, the horror!

not a big fan of ellis, but I think he is more suited to SG than iggy was.. Iggy to me is a SF...I like how they manuevered themselves in the draft...