We'd dirty dog Felton to trade him AGAIN to Denver so he can back up Lawson.

Felton is a good PG and great backup.

Seems to me Felton is not our obstacle to a championship.

Red1976 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Lets just quit the nba, let all our contracts come off the books and not sign anyone ever again, then we can live in perpetual hope, fantasy and dreams rather than actually trying and building a team.

Sounds like a plan. I am scheduling my next rant for the 2014 nba draft. When the new deputy commissioner says, ' With the 59th pick of the 2014 nba draft the Toronto raptors select...' I am going apesh@t about the barge trade. Watch out.

I think you are going a little overboard mocking people who like draft picks or are hesistant about bargnani. True not all draft picks are sure thing in fact most arent. However its fair to say Bargnani isnt a sure thing either since he hasnt lived up to expectations and is injury prone. Hell i hope he proves us wrong but he still has to prove that he will be a useful player

It is okc's second round pick. It is projected to be the 59th pick. I disagree. I think others are going overboard.

I agree, most of the time people here are overly negative about everything

I really like this board for its passion and news, but this incessant complaining about almost anything Knicks related is pushing me away from visiting...

If the Knicks stopped making stupid ****ing moves then we'd stop complaining.

VCoug wrote:

Red1976 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Lets just quit the nba, let all our contracts come off the books and not sign anyone ever again, then we can live in perpetual hope, fantasy and dreams rather than actually trying and building a team.

Sounds like a plan. I am scheduling my next rant for the 2014 nba draft. When the new deputy commissioner says, ' With the 59th pick of the 2014 nba draft the Toronto raptors select...' I am going apesh@t about the barge trade. Watch out.

I think you are going a little overboard mocking people who like draft picks or are hesistant about bargnani. True not all draft picks are sure thing in fact most arent. However its fair to say Bargnani isnt a sure thing either since he hasnt lived up to expectations and is injury prone. Hell i hope he proves us wrong but he still has to prove that he will be a useful player

It is okc's second round pick. It is projected to be the 59th pick. I disagree. I think others are going overboard.

I agree, most of the time people here are overly negative about everything

I really like this board for its passion and news, but this incessant complaining about almost anything Knicks related is pushing me away from visiting...

If the Knicks stopped making stupid ****ing moves then we'd stop complaining.

So Coug since I was of the mindset 2015 is kind figment of imagination can you please outline what this organization is trying to do at this point?

Oh and you said bringing Bargs in wasn't that big a deal financially.....well with Smith and Pablo returning you care running the Tax Hit once our roster is in place.

You're pretty on point with stuff like this pertaining to the CBA. If you want and have the time that is.

Red1976 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Red1976 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Lets just quit the nba, let all our contracts come off the books and not sign anyone ever again, then we can live in perpetual hope, fantasy and dreams rather than actually trying and building a team.

Sounds like a plan. I am scheduling my next rant for the 2014 nba draft. When the new deputy commissioner says, ' With the 59th pick of the 2014 nba draft the Toronto raptors select...' I am going apesh@t about the barge trade. Watch out.

I think you are going a little overboard mocking people who like draft picks or are hesistant about bargnani. True not all draft picks are sure thing in fact most arent. However its fair to say Bargnani isnt a sure thing either since he hasnt lived up to expectations and is injury prone. Hell i hope he proves us wrong but he still has to prove that he will be a useful player

It is okc's second round pick. It is projected to be the 59th pick. I disagree. I think others are going overboard.

I agree, most of the time people here are overly negative about everything

I really like this board for its passion and news, but this incessant complaining about almost anything Knicks related is pushing me away from visiting...

If the Knicks stopped making stupid ****ing moves then we'd stop complaining.

Guess what I'm not sure of that (guys not complaining)

And not all Knicks moves are stupid ...

3G4G wrote:So Coug since I was of the mindset 2015 is kind figment of imagination can you please outline what this organization is trying to do at this point?

Oh and you said bringing Bargs in wasn't that big a deal financially.....well with Smith and Pablo returning you care running the Tax Hit once our roster is in place.

You're pretty on point with stuff like this pertaining to the CBA. If you want and have the time that is.

• I can't outline what they're trying to do because I don't really know anymore.
• I didn't say financially it wouldn't matter. I said that it wouldn't really matter in terms of making trades/signing free agents. Financially it makes a pretty big difference. Camby and Novak combined will make $7M and $7.5M the next two seasons compared to Bargnani's $11M and $12M. That extra money will mean Dolan will pay an extra $8.5M in tax payments this coming season and about $19M in tax payments in 2014-15 (our total tax payments that season will be at least $43M that season and that will definitely go up because we only have 10 guys under contract).
• As for the Summer of 2015. Right now, we have a little over $18M in player contracts. Of that $18M only JR's money, about $6.6M, is guaranteed. Felton has a player option of $4.5M that I would imagine he'll be picking up; Shumpert has a qualifying offer of $3.8M and his cap hold will increase if he gets an offer from another team; Hardaway has a team option of a little over $1M. The biggest question about that Summer is still Melo and, to a lesser extent, Tyson. Melo can opt out of his deal the season before and what we do then will make a big difference. If he doesn't opt out he'll have a $25M cap hold so we'll either need to resign him to a smaller deal of waive his Bird rights if we want to make a free agent splash. Tyson will also have a $15M cap hold.

Clean wrote:

Red1976 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Lets just quit the nba, let all our contracts come off the books and not sign anyone ever again, then we can live in perpetual hope, fantasy and dreams rather than actually trying and building a team.

Sounds like a plan. I am scheduling my next rant for the 2014 nba draft. When the new deputy commissioner says, ' With the 59th pick of the 2014 nba draft the Toronto raptors select...' I am going apesh@t about the barge trade. Watch out.

I think you are going a little overboard mocking people who like draft picks or are hesistant about bargnani. True not all draft picks are sure thing in fact most arent. However its fair to say Bargnani isnt a sure thing either since he hasnt lived up to expectations and is injury prone. Hell i hope he proves us wrong but he still has to prove that he will be a useful player

It is okc's second round pick. It is projected to be the 59th pick. I disagree. I think others are going overboard.

I agree, most of the time people here are overly negative about everything

I really like this board for its passion and news, but this incessant complaining about almost anything Knicks related is pushing me away from visiting...

This post reminds me about the posts pointed toward me and a few other posters after the Knicks beat the celtics in the first round.
I was accused of being negative and not really a Knicks fan because I stated the issues I had with what the Knicks were doing, even though we had beat the celtics. It just so happened that those same issues that we had in the 1st round is the same issues that caused us to lose in the 2nd round.

Just because we don't agree with everything the Knicks do does not mean we are being negative. We just believe that the Knicks are going about things the wrong way. For example, I like how Barg fits for this team. The problem I have with this trade is how much we had to give up to get a person they were going to amnesty if they could not trade him.

Some posters were complaining as soon as the series was over, I mean seconds later. Couldn't enjoy the first round win in more than a decade against a long time rival for one second. That kind of negativity crosses the line from constructive criticism to wet blanket.

Clean wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Clean wrote:

Red1976 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Lets just quit the nba, let all our contracts come off the books and not sign anyone ever again, then we can live in perpetual hope, fantasy and dreams rather than actually trying and building a team.

Sounds like a plan. I am scheduling my next rant for the 2014 nba draft. When the new deputy commissioner says, ' With the 59th pick of the 2014 nba draft the Toronto raptors select...' I am going apesh@t about the barge trade. Watch out.

I think you are going a little overboard mocking people who like draft picks or are hesistant about bargnani. True not all draft picks are sure thing in fact most arent. However its fair to say Bargnani isnt a sure thing either since he hasnt lived up to expectations and is injury prone. Hell i hope he proves us wrong but he still has to prove that he will be a useful player

It is okc's second round pick. It is projected to be the 59th pick. I disagree. I think others are going overboard.

I agree, most of the time people here are overly negative about everything

I really like this board for its passion and news, but this incessant complaining about almost anything Knicks related is pushing me away from visiting...

This post reminds me about the posts pointed toward me and a few other posters after the Knicks beat the celtics in the first round.
I was accused of being negative and not really a Knicks fan because I stated the issues I had with what the Knicks were doing, even though we had beat the celtics. It just so happened that those same issues that we had in the 1st round is the same issues that caused us to lose in the 2nd round.

Just because we don't agree with everything the Knicks do does not mean we are being negative. We just believe that the Knicks are going about things the wrong way. For example, I like how Barg fits for this team. The problem I have with this trade is how much we had to give up to get a person they were going to amnesty if they could not trade him.

Some posters were complaining as soon as the series was over, I mean seconds later. Couldn't enjoy the first round win in more than a decade against a long time rival for one second. That kind of negativity crosses the line from constructive criticism to wet blanket.

In my opinion, when you say it should not matter if what your saying is true. However, After reading that you had issue with when it was said I can understand that some people might just want to enjoy the win for that night without worrying about the issues. I can respect that and in the future save any problems I have for the next day.

That's a classy gesture on your part Clean, but not necessary. What bothered me wasn't so much the negativity but the lack of anything positive to say about this win from some posters as well. Doesn't have to be one or the other. Just seemed very odd to me on a fan site.

It was a momentum killer.

Great regular season, and the playoffs are still a work in progress.

Some guys complain because homers like to paint the picture oh so rosy and when reality hits. Then the homers look to lay blame as if someone ruined something that really was not there.

its complicated!

Team on paper COULD be better than last year. Might not be good enough for 2nd seed or 1st place in division, but there are some things you can and cannot control.

Let Ray settle in and see if chemistry with a core and a coach for a few years take root. The kid did good. We got a core returning next year and the HOPE OF AMARE AND BARGNANI is intriguing!

Nalod wrote:Complaining about the Celts series vs sipping the sweet necter of a 1st round win was compromised by the disfunciton that was smith and the distraction it caused.

It was a momentum killer.

Great regular season, and the playoffs are still a work in progress.

Some guys complain because homers like to paint the picture oh so rosy and when reality hits. Then the homers look to lay blame as if someone ruined something that really was not there.

its complicated!

Team on paper COULD be better than last year. Might not be good enough for 2nd seed or 1st place in division, but there are some things you can and cannot control.

Let Ray settle in and see if chemistry with a core and a coach for a few years take root. The kid did good. We got a core returning next year and the HOPE OF AMARE AND BARGNANI is intriguing!

You make it sound like the Knicks winning the series was some kind of optical illusion.