DurzoBlint wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

VCoug wrote:

tkf wrote:

Nalod wrote:
Bottom line is the trade for Bargs makes it possible for them to stay relevent for now.

One day it might catch up to us. If you keep giving up picks you do run out of options.

I don't see how nalod.. I just don't think the guy is a good NBA player anymore... not a bad player, but not a good one, and doesn't address any of our needs..

Honestly, I really don't think this was about Bargnani the player; it was about Bargnani the shorter contract than Novak's. I really do believe that this was more about shedding salary for 2015 then it was about competing the next two years. We'll have a better idea when we see what sort of contracts JR, Prigioni, and Copeland get and how we use our MLE.

Do you really gain with shorter contract if Bargs contract was $7.5mil richer overall Camby(buyout)/Novak combined? So you shed salary for 2015, Felton's next right?

You shed $3.7mil giving up a potential Shumpert/Kawhai/Faried type talent when we'll have.....

Melo
Shumpert
Smith
Felton
Exceptions(MLE/LLE/VME)

on the books possibly more depending on free agency signings?

I think Smith is going to the Bucks. Have you heard anything to suggest he is back? Also, my guess is the mle is for Brand and 2 yrs so that would be off the cap. Felton is 4.2 mil if he picks up his option I believe.

They are saying they are trying to split the MLE between Cope and Prigs so Brand maybe coming at the Vet min.

Brand likely wouldn't command more than that unless he resigns with a team holding his bird rights.

VCoug wrote:

3G4G wrote:

VCoug wrote:

tkf wrote:

Nalod wrote:
Bottom line is the trade for Bargs makes it possible for them to stay relevent for now.

One day it might catch up to us. If you keep giving up picks you do run out of options.

I don't see how nalod.. I just don't think the guy is a good NBA player anymore... not a bad player, but not a good one, and doesn't address any of our needs..

Honestly, I really don't think this was about Bargnani the player; it was about Bargnani the shorter contract than Novak's. I really do believe that this was more about shedding salary for 2015 then it was about competing the next two years. We'll have a better idea when we see what sort of contracts JR, Prigioni, and Copeland get and how we use our MLE.

Do you really gain with shorter contract if Bargs contract was $7.5mil richer overall Camby(buyout)/Novak combined? So you shed salary for 2015, Felton's next right?

You shed $3.7mil giving up a potential Shumpert/Kawhai/Faried type talent when we'll have.....

Melo
Shumpert
Smith
Felton
Exceptions(MLE/LLE/VME)

on the books possibly more depending on free agency signings?

It doesn't matter that it's more money overall, over the luxury tax is over the luxury tax.

Here's the thing with 2015. Right now, we have 3 players under contract for that season: Felton with a $4.5M player option; Shumpert with a $3.8M qualifying offer; and Hardaway who'll have team option worth something around $2.5M, probably a little less. The only one of them we don't have control over is Felton. As for potential free agent signings I don't believe we'll be adding salary past 2014 and we'll have a really good idea of what's going on when JR, Copeland, and Prigioni all sign contracts with us or someone else. And Melo isn't under contract, yet, for 2015. He can opt out after this coming season and we'll have to see what happens if he does. Even if we plan on resigning him next Summer or in 2015 he's going to have to take a pay cut if he wants build a contending team hear. His salary would need to be cut by at least $10M/year and if he's not willing to do that he can leave.

Melo will either use his ETO to get more money or go for an extension. I truly don't see this organization making his financial circumstance with organization become an issue in the media. Shumpert is due for an extension by Oct 2014...if not his cap hit is nearly $7mil that year.

Yeah we're about to find out alright...We wouldn't be looking at players like Ellis or Allen if it's about 2015, little salary as possible

Also for all the 2015 guesswork looks like the argument is shifting towards shrinking that window ever more. So why did we trade for Bargs then and not a player more worthy of allowing us to contend?

3G4G wrote:

VCoug wrote:

3G4G wrote:

VCoug wrote:

tkf wrote:

Nalod wrote:
Bottom line is the trade for Bargs makes it possible for them to stay relevent for now.

One day it might catch up to us. If you keep giving up picks you do run out of options.

I don't see how nalod.. I just don't think the guy is a good NBA player anymore... not a bad player, but not a good one, and doesn't address any of our needs..

Honestly, I really don't think this was about Bargnani the player; it was about Bargnani the shorter contract than Novak's. I really do believe that this was more about shedding salary for 2015 then it was about competing the next two years. We'll have a better idea when we see what sort of contracts JR, Prigioni, and Copeland get and how we use our MLE.

Do you really gain with shorter contract if Bargs contract was $7.5mil richer overall Camby(buyout)/Novak combined? So you shed salary for 2015, Felton's next right?

You shed $3.7mil giving up a potential Shumpert/Kawhai/Faried type talent when we'll have.....

Melo
Shumpert
Smith
Felton
Exceptions(MLE/LLE/VME)

on the books possibly more depending on free agency signings?

It doesn't matter that it's more money overall, over the luxury tax is over the luxury tax.

Here's the thing with 2015. Right now, we have 3 players under contract for that season: Felton with a $4.5M player option; Shumpert with a $3.8M qualifying offer; and Hardaway who'll have team option worth something around $2.5M, probably a little less. The only one of them we don't have control over is Felton. As for potential free agent signings I don't believe we'll be adding salary past 2014 and we'll have a really good idea of what's going on when JR, Copeland, and Prigioni all sign contracts with us or someone else. And Melo isn't under contract, yet, for 2015. He can opt out after this coming season and we'll have to see what happens if he does. Even if we plan on resigning him next Summer or in 2015 he's going to have to take a pay cut if he wants build a contending team hear. His salary would need to be cut by at least $10M/year and if he's not willing to do that he can leave.

Melo will either use his ETO to get more money or go for an extension. I truly don't see this organization making his financial circumstance with organization become an issue in the media. Shumpert is due for an extension by Oct 2014...if not his cap hit is nearly $7mil that year.

Yeah we're about to find out alright...We wouldn't be looking at players like Ellis or Allen if it's about 2015, little salary as possible

Also for all the 2015 guesswork looks like the argument is shifting towards shrinking that window ever more. So why did we trade for Bargs then and not a player more worthy of allowing us to contend?

Regarding Melo we'll have to wait and see but as of right now he has no guaranteed money that Summer.

Where are you getting your info about Shumpert? He was a 1st round pick and they're contracts always have the same setup: first 3 years are guaranteed, 4th year is a team option, and the 5th year is a qualifying offer making them restricted free agents and we don't have to offer it. All the other players that I've looked up from that draft have the same setup. And where are you getting a $7M cap hit from? His cap for the next 3 seasons are $1.797M, $2.761M team option, and $3.898M qualifying offer.

According to "sources" we're looking at virtually every free agent on the market. I doubt we have any chance to sign Tony Allen since he's already on a better team that can pay him more money. Monta Ellis isn't going to sign long term anywhere for $3M/year. If he does sign a small money contract somewhere it'll be for one year so he can hit free agency again ASAP and try for big money again.