nixluva wrote:

JayNYC wrote:

nixluva wrote:

JayNYC wrote:Cute! Does his athleticism and height, allow for him to box out and compete for a rebound? Never averaged more than 5 per. 7ft 260 I can't hate Knicks fans for wanted success.. I dig it. Clips are nice.. but don't tell the full story. He isn't an efficient scorer at all.. 43 % FG and like 30% from 3pt range.. We gave a pick up for this? But hey, I appreciate your enthusiasm.. hopefully, he comes here and actualizes his said potential.

Nice try with the low shooting % you quoted. When he was healthy he shot much better than that.

08-09 45% 41% 3pt 83% FT
09-10 47% 37% 3pt 77% FT
10-11 45% 35% 3pt 82% FT

Then he missed a ton of games in 11-12 and 12-13 and shot poorly. Let's not troll here.

hahaha did you just nice try me.. ALL JOKES ASIDE, I ain't gotta make this up .. MEN LIE, WOMAN LIE.. NUMBERS DONT. Looking at his numbers 43 % Career FG 36% 3PT RANGE. NEVER AVG'D MORE THAN 5 BOARDS.. NO DIMES. I didn't even look at his stats til you called me out, But I'm on point.. #FACTS

Career Season Averages
Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
06-07 TOR 65 2 25.1 0.427 0.373 0.824 0.8 3.1 3.9 0.8 0.5 0.8 1.65 2.77 11.6
07-08 TOR 78 53 23.9 0.386 0.345 0.840 0.6 3.1 3.7 1.1 0.3 0.5 1.13 2.71 10.2
08-09 TOR 78 59 31.4 0.450 0.409 0.831 0.9 4.4 5.3 1.2 0.4 1.2 1.73 3.10 15.4
09-10 TOR 80 80 35.0 0.470 0.372 0.774 1.3 4.8 6.2 1.2 0.3 1.4 1.50 2.69 17.2
10-11 TOR 66 66 35.7 0.448 0.345 0.820 1.1 4.1 5.2 1.8 0.5 0.7 2.30 2.42 21.4
11-12 TOR 31 31 33.3 0.432 0.296 0.873 0.8 4.8 5.5 2.0 0.6 0.5 2.23 1.68 19.5
12-13 TOR 35 25 28.7 0.399 0.309 0.844 0.7 2.9 3.7 1.1 0.6 0.7 1.54 1.83 12.7
Career -433 316 30.3 0.437 0.361 0.825 0.9 3.9 4.8 1.3 0.4 0.9 1.67 2.60 15.2
Career Season Totals

PLEASE!!! Dude was just fine before the last 2 years filled with injury. I mean you can just ignore the rookie and sophomore seasons as years of growth, but once he got going he was much better than you're trying to portray. I hate BS like this. You know damn well he's being killed for the last 2 years more than anything else.

azamatbagatov wrote:

nixluva wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:also 43% is approaching elite around here to some.

What they don't mention is that Bargs shot better than that in the 3 yrs before the last 2 when he was injured. He's much more efficient than people are trying to promote in order to bash him. He played 31 and 35 games in the last 2 seasons and wasn't healthy obviously. People can promote those shooting numbers if they want but it's really just being cute with the stats.

You are accusing people of being cute with the stats to promote their own agenda while you are being cute with the stats to promote your agenda. The irony is delicious

JayNYC wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:You are accusing people of being cute with the stats to promote their own agenda while you are being cute with the stats to promote your agenda. The irony is delicious

Saying someones shooting percentage goes down when they are injured is being cute? The guy had a freakin elbow injury. Come on man this ish is ridiculous. The guy is 7 feet tall and has ridiculous upside. He has had his struggles but the Knicks gave up a 39 year old that couldn't play and a one dimensional guy that they picked up off of waivers that was really bad this year. The first rounder is a lose but the Knicks got a player and cap space for the year they actually will have cap space. A couple of years ago the Knicks were throwing away talent and picks for cap space. The same guy is a free agent in 2015 and the Knicks got the better talent in the trade. Not sure why this is so hard to figure out.

I'm not a player but I CrushAlot.. we ain't talking bout jus last year ock.. This is career numbers. Men Lie, Women lie, numbers don't killa.... It's all good though.. you like who you like. Haaaaaaaaaa *FrenchMontana voiceYOu quoted someone else and got my name in on it look back.

CrushAlot wrote:

azamatbagatov wrote:

nixluva wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:also 43% is approaching elite around here to some.

What they don't mention is that Bargs shot better than that in the 3 yrs before the last 2 when he was injured. He's much more efficient than people are trying to promote in order to bash him. He played 31 and 35 games in the last 2 seasons and wasn't healthy obviously. People can promote those shooting numbers if they want but it's really just being cute with the stats.

You are accusing people of being cute with the stats to promote their own agenda while you are being cute with the stats to promote your agenda. The irony is delicious

Saying someones shooting percentage goes down when they are injured is being cute? The guy had a freakin elbow injury. Come on man this ish is ridiculous. The guy is 7 feet tall and has ridiculous upside. He has had his struggles but the Knicks gave up a 39 year old that couldn't play and a one dimensional guy that they picked up off of waivers that was really bad this year. The first rounder is a lose but the Knicks got a player and cap space for the year they actually will have cap space. A couple of years ago the Knicks were throwing away talent and picks for cap space. The same guy is a free agent in 2015 and the Knicks got the better talent in the trade. Not sure why this is so hard to figure out.

C'mon man. This team ain't winning a 'chip with or without one of the biggest draft busts in the history of the league. If this guy is so good with ridiculous upside; why did the Raptors hand him to us for 2 piles of garbage from the end of our bench and some late "meaningless" draft picks.

We were better served holding on those picks/assets and packaging them with one of our multiple expiring contracts next year for someone who, you know, isn't one of the worst busts in the history of the draft

CrushAlot wrote:

azamatbagatov wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

azamatbagatov wrote:

nixluva wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:also 43% is approaching elite around here to some.

What they don't mention is that Bargs shot better than that in the 3 yrs before the last 2 when he was injured. He's much more efficient than people are trying to promote in order to bash him. He played 31 and 35 games in the last 2 seasons and wasn't healthy obviously. People can promote those shooting numbers if they want but it's really just being cute with the stats.

You are accusing people of being cute with the stats to promote their own agenda while you are being cute with the stats to promote your agenda. The irony is delicious

Saying someones shooting percentage goes down when they are injured is being cute? The guy had a freakin elbow injury. Come on man this ish is ridiculous. The guy is 7 feet tall and has ridiculous upside. He has had his struggles but the Knicks gave up a 39 year old that couldn't play and a one dimensional guy that they picked up off of waivers that was really bad this year. The first rounder is a lose but the Knicks got a player and cap space for the year they actually will have cap space. A couple of years ago the Knicks were throwing away talent and picks for cap space. The same guy is a free agent in 2015 and the Knicks got the better talent in the trade. Not sure why this is so hard to figure out.

C'mon man. This team ain't winning a 'chip with or without one of the biggest draft busts in the history of the league. If this guy is so good with ridiculous upside; why did the Raptors hand him to us for 2 piles of garbage from the end of our bench and some late "meaningless" draft picks.

We were better served holding on those picks/assets and packaging them with one of our multiple expiring contracts next year for someone who, you know, isn't one of the worst busts in the history of the draft

The guy needs a change and they have a new gm. I disagree about being better served holding onto guys that can't contribute and hoping that in three years the Knicks get a rotation player with their pick. Amare is busted. Maybe if ifs and buts work out he can play 60 games but he is done as a starter and center piece. Novak and Camby were wastes last year. Taking a flier on a guy that has talent, has been good and was hampered by injury and might be good again makes sense especially if the guy is 27, 7 feet tall and was the former # overall pick. The fact that he gives the Knicks another four million in cap space when his contract is up is a huge bonus. In the past the Knicks would trade picks and guys they took in the lottery for that type of flexibility even if the guy they got couldn't play and the guy they chased then is a free agent again that year.

I never said hold onto them for 3 years and wait and hope for a player that makes the rotation. I would rather see those 3 picks packaged with Stat's expiring next year to sweeten the pot for a player we are not taking a flyer on and have to hope everything goes right for him to be a contributor. Novak would have been a dirt cheap expiring contr t going into the 2015 offseason and could easily be moved without giving up picks.

Bargnani ain't winning us a ring so why even bother with a deal like this. If it was Novak/Camby straight up than the risk is acceptable IMO. This moves doesn't even take us out of the 5 seed.

Only good thing about it is we didn't add payroll past 2015

nixluva wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:This is the Bargnani you will see a lot of:

That's what Woody is here for. It's his job to work with Bargs to get him to understand what he needs to do on D. Don't get locked into what he did with a losing franchise like the Raps. I really could care less. He's on the Knicks now and we'll have to coach him up to understand how we do things here. You know better than that.

nixluva wrote:ONCE AGAIN. His career numbers include his Rookie year, Soph year and 2 years where he played 31 and 35 games. The reality of the kind of player he actually can be isn't going to be found by mixing in those 4 seasons. In the middle where he had fully developed and was healthy he was a FAR better player than you guys are trying to make it seem like he is. You know damn well that he's not really a 43% shooter. This is just some hater BS. Go kick rocks!

Go Kick Rocks?? LOL.. IIGHTTTT THEN! first you suggest that I'm skewing the numbers to support my argument.. then I posted actual numbers from the only statistical evidence that you should EVER need.. now I read this? lololololol OMG.. Fam.. real talk, you are doing exactly what you accused me of.. HOW FUNNY IS THAT? Ain't nobody hatin' on Bargnani (Hell I hope he does succeed after overpaying for his skill set).. I'm jus giving you FACTS.. IT IS WHAT IT IS.. I keep saying it, Men Lie.. Women Lie.. NUMBERS DON'T! You wanna cheer for the guy.. no problem, It ain't that serious. Don't get mad cause ya argument is flawed.. It happens in a debate. Just because I've merely pointed out his inefficiencies and you disagree, I gotta kick rocks. Here's what I do know very well.. I ain't a hater, jus a great debater! Don't get mad sun... maybe one day you'll shine like one #CHURCHHHHHHHHHHHH

The whole thing about his flaws is one way to look at him, but there's always the chance that you can get thru to a player and get more out of him. It took years, but Woody actually got thru to JR and he played better. Stat had very little post skill and he worked on it and was looking pretty damn good when healthy. Point is that he did add something to his game. Maybe we can add more this year. The knicks have a team full of players that have the rep of being horrible defenders, but in the playoffs the team did a very good job defensively and lost not because of their defense, but poor shooting. So it is possible to change players for the better. The hope is that you bring Bargs into this environment and he can learn and improve where he's weak and become a much better player. This is a reclamation project and it's the only way we can possibly add talent to this team. The guy has loads of talent and IMO a lot is left untapped. That's what coaching is for. This was a good trade in terms of the possible upside Bargs still has.