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ChuckBuck wrote:I'm actually hoping the Knicks don't match any offers for JR.

We can match his production with the players we'll potentially have on the team.

Like whom??..It's fine not to bring him back but what options are available???

Well, either way the Knicks will probably lose him. I'd sign him for a 2 year, $10 million deal, nothing more. Nothing that eats into the summer of 2015. He'd also have to accept the bench role again, which he stated numerous times that he'd like to start.

If another team offers him $7 or $8 mill per, good riddance. The D league is full of swing men that can produce at JR's rate or even more efficiently.

I think u are selling what JR brought us last year a little short..the D League is full of sixth man of the year candidates??

I'd rather have someone more stable and consistent, than suffer another epic mental postseason meltdown again. Sure he had some moments here and there, really good regular season, etc.

When the chips were on the table, he let us down in the Boston and Indiana series. Reverted back to "Bad JR"

Addition by subtraction.

He was put in a position where he never belonged...He should never have been asked to be Melo's number 2 guy..He isn't that player...But the team needed it and he stepped up...U are expecting a 3 mil a year guy step into the shoes of a 15 mil a year player..When he didn't live up to it in the playoffs then u hold it against him???..

This is not a one off. JR has been doing this act since Zheijang, Denver, New Orleans, St Benedicts Prep, Lakewood, Steinart, Womb.

Thought he finally matured. We were all wrong.

Really???..The elbow changed your mind???

One elbow and the whole playoffs changed my mind. Check out his playoff history, especially in New York.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smithjr01.html#playoffs_per_game::none

It's pretty dreadful. Can't really defend those numbers....

I really don't look at what players do elsewhere...I care what they do when in a Knick uni...JR had a awesome year for us...He outperformed his contract by leaps and bounds, literally...He played poorly in the playoffs, but so did most of the team...

He's shooting 32 percent from the field and 22 percent from 3s in 2 postseasons with the Knicks. To me, and the rest of the universe, it's easily replaceable.

Well since you put it that way, the universe is never wrong...

After 9 seasons of sample size, I think the universe might be right this time around.

Holfresh, not trying to be difficult, just stating the reasons why losing JR to free agency isn't that big of a deal, which is a real possibility.

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ChuckBuck wrote:I'm actually hoping the Knicks don't match any offers for JR.

We can match his production with the players we'll potentially have on the team.

Like whom??..It's fine not to bring him back but what options are available???

Well, either way the Knicks will probably lose him. I'd sign him for a 2 year, $10 million deal, nothing more. Nothing that eats into the summer of 2015. He'd also have to accept the bench role again, which he stated numerous times that he'd like to start.

If another team offers him $7 or $8 mill per, good riddance. The D league is full of swing men that can produce at JR's rate or even more efficiently.

I think u are selling what JR brought us last year a little short..the D League is full of sixth man of the year candidates??

I'd rather have someone more stable and consistent, than suffer another epic mental postseason meltdown again. Sure he had some moments here and there, really good regular season, etc.

When the chips were on the table, he let us down in the Boston and Indiana series. Reverted back to "Bad JR"

Addition by subtraction.

He was put in a position where he never belonged...He should never have been asked to be Melo's number 2 guy..He isn't that player...But the team needed it and he stepped up...U are expecting a 3 mil a year guy step into the shoes of a 15 mil a year player..When he didn't live up to it in the playoffs then u hold it against him???..

This is not a one off. JR has been doing this act since Zheijang, Denver, New Orleans, St Benedicts Prep, Lakewood, Steinart, Womb.

Thought he finally matured. We were all wrong.

Really???..The elbow changed your mind???

One elbow and the whole playoffs changed my mind. Check out his playoff history, especially in New York.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smithjr01.html#playoffs_per_game::none

It's pretty dreadful. Can't really defend those numbers....

I really don't look at what players do elsewhere...I care what they do when in a Knick uni...JR had a awesome year for us...He outperformed his contract by leaps and bounds, literally...He played poorly in the playoffs, but so did most of the team...

He's shooting 32 percent from the field and 22 percent from 3s in 2 postseasons with the Knicks. To me, and the rest of the universe, it's easily replaceable.

Well since you put it that way, the universe is never wrong...

After 9 seasons of sample size, I think the universe might be right this time around.

Holfresh, not trying to be difficult, just stating the reasons why losing JR to free agency isn't that big of a deal, which is a real possibility.

U can look at the 8 previous season to assess JR...Im looking at last season...If the Knicks didn't have that production, they would have been in a very different place, certainly not the second seed...

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holfresh wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:I'm actually hoping the Knicks don't match any offers for JR.

We can match his production with the players we'll potentially have on the team.

Like whom??..It's fine not to bring him back but what options are available???

Well, either way the Knicks will probably lose him. I'd sign him for a 2 year, $10 million deal, nothing more. Nothing that eats into the summer of 2015. He'd also have to accept the bench role again, which he stated numerous times that he'd like to start.

If another team offers him $7 or $8 mill per, good riddance. The D league is full of swing men that can produce at JR's rate or even more efficiently.

I think u are selling what JR brought us last year a little short..the D League is full of sixth man of the year candidates??

I'd rather have someone more stable and consistent, than suffer another epic mental postseason meltdown again. Sure he had some moments here and there, really good regular season, etc.

When the chips were on the table, he let us down in the Boston and Indiana series. Reverted back to "Bad JR"

Addition by subtraction.

He was put in a position where he never belonged...He should never have been asked to be Melo's number 2 guy..He isn't that player...But the team needed it and he stepped up...U are expecting a 3 mil a year guy step into the shoes of a 15 mil a year player..When he didn't live up to it in the playoffs then u hold it against him???..

This is not a one off. JR has been doing this act since Zheijang, Denver, New Orleans, St Benedicts Prep, Lakewood, Steinart, Womb.

Thought he finally matured. We were all wrong.

Really???..The elbow changed your mind???

One elbow and the whole playoffs changed my mind. Check out his playoff history, especially in New York.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smithjr01.html#playoffs_per_game::none

It's pretty dreadful. Can't really defend those numbers....

I really don't look at what players do elsewhere...I care what they do when in a Knick uni...JR had a awesome year for us...He outperformed his contract by leaps and bounds, literally...He played poorly in the playoffs, but so did most of the team...

He's shooting 32 percent from the field and 22 percent from 3s in 2 postseasons with the Knicks. To me, and the rest of the universe, it's easily replaceable.

Well since you put it that way, the universe is never wrong...

After 9 seasons of sample size, I think the universe might be right this time around.

Holfresh, not trying to be difficult, just stating the reasons why losing JR to free agency isn't that big of a deal, which is a real possibility.

U can look at the 8 previous season to assess JR...Im looking at last season...If the Knicks didn't have that production, they would have been in a very different place, certainly not the second seed...

I'm as big a homer as they come, but I acknowledge the Knicks grabbing the 2nd seed has more to do with Rose, Rondo, and Granger missing significant chunks of time, then them being the 2nd best team in the East.

JR was playing for a new contract in a contract season, thus the "good behavior" and enhanced play, happens all the time in sports.

We also had tons of injuries...Amare, Melo, Chandler, Shump, Felton, and the old corps...dude has matured and so has his game...Players tend to improve as they get older and gain experience ..JR didn't have to come back but he did..I doubt he looked at it as a contract season in that sense when he could have walked...

Im sure the dinner covered whats important.

As long as it don't start out with JR sticking his finger out and asking Dolan to smell it!

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ChuckBuck wrote:I'm actually hoping the Knicks don't match any offers for JR.

We can match his production with the players we'll potentially have on the team.

Like whom??..It's fine not to bring him back but what options are available???

Well, either way the Knicks will probably lose him. I'd sign him for a 2 year, $10 million deal, nothing more. Nothing that eats into the summer of 2015. He'd also have to accept the bench role again, which he stated numerous times that he'd like to start.

If another team offers him $7 or $8 mill per, good riddance. The D league is full of swing men that can produce at JR's rate or even more efficiently.

I think u are selling what JR brought us last year a little short..the D League is full of sixth man of the year candidates??

I'd rather have someone more stable and consistent, than suffer another epic mental postseason meltdown again. Sure he had some moments here and there, really good regular season, etc.

When the chips were on the table, he let us down in the Boston and Indiana series. Reverted back to "Bad JR"

Addition by subtraction.

He was put in a position where he never belonged...He should never have been asked to be Melo's number 2 guy..He isn't that player...But the team needed it and he stepped up...U are expecting a 3 mil a year guy step into the shoes of a 15 mil a year player..When he didn't live up to it in the playoffs then u hold it against him???..

This is not a one off. JR has been doing this act since Zheijang, Denver, New Orleans, St Benedicts Prep, Lakewood, Steinart, Womb.

Thought he finally matured. We were all wrong.

Really???..The elbow changed your mind???

One elbow and the whole playoffs changed my mind. Check out his playoff history, especially in New York.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smithjr01.html#playoffs_per_game::none

It's pretty dreadful. Can't really defend those numbers....

I really don't look at what players do elsewhere...I care what they do when in a Knick uni...JR had a awesome year for us...He outperformed his contract by leaps and bounds, literally...He played poorly in the playoffs, but so did most of the team...

He's shooting 32 percent from the field and 22 percent from 3s in 2 postseasons with the Knicks. To me, and the rest of the universe, it's easily replaceable.

Well since you put it that way, the universe is never wrong...

After 9 seasons of sample size, I think the universe might be right this time around.

Holfresh, not trying to be difficult, just stating the reasons why losing JR to free agency isn't that big of a deal, which is a real possibility.

U can look at the 8 previous season to assess JR...Im looking at last season...If the Knicks didn't have that production, they would have been in a very different place, certainly not the second seed...

I'm as big a homer as they come, but I acknowledge the Knicks grabbing the 2nd seed has more to do with Rose, Rondo, and Granger missing significant chunks of time, then them being the 2nd best team in the East.

JR was playing for a new contract in a contract season, thus the "good behavior" and enhanced play, happens all the time in sports.

We also had tons of injuries...Amare, Melo, Chandler, Shump, Felton, and the old corps...dude has matured and so has his game...Players tend to improve as they get older and gain experience ..JR didn't have to come back but he did..I doubt he looked at it as a contract season in that sense when he could have walked...

Agree to disagree is fine. JR resigned mainly to guarantee the Knicks had Early Bird Rights in addition to being a free agent. Basically options for both the team and the player.

Was JR the second best Knick for the entire season or not???..So how can u complain???

Scoring wise, he was in the regular season.

At the same time, how can you excuse his poor postseason? If that's how a "2nd option" plays when it comes playoff time, that's a scary thought. How could you not complain?

JR's best role is as a 3rd option at most.

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ChuckBuck wrote:I'm actually hoping the Knicks don't match any offers for JR.

We can match his production with the players we'll potentially have on the team.

Like whom??..It's fine not to bring him back but what options are available???

Well, either way the Knicks will probably lose him. I'd sign him for a 2 year, $10 million deal, nothing more. Nothing that eats into the summer of 2015. He'd also have to accept the bench role again, which he stated numerous times that he'd like to start.

If another team offers him $7 or $8 mill per, good riddance. The D league is full of swing men that can produce at JR's rate or even more efficiently.

I think u are selling what JR brought us last year a little short..the D League is full of sixth man of the year candidates??

I'd rather have someone more stable and consistent, than suffer another epic mental postseason meltdown again. Sure he had some moments here and there, really good regular season, etc.

When the chips were on the table, he let us down in the Boston and Indiana series. Reverted back to "Bad JR"

Addition by subtraction.

He was put in a position where he never belonged...He should never have been asked to be Melo's number 2 guy..He isn't that player...But the team needed it and he stepped up...U are expecting a 3 mil a year guy step into the shoes of a 15 mil a year player..When he didn't live up to it in the playoffs then u hold it against him???..

This is not a one off. JR has been doing this act since Zheijang, Denver, New Orleans, St Benedicts Prep, Lakewood, Steinart, Womb.

Thought he finally matured. We were all wrong.

Really???..The elbow changed your mind???

One elbow and the whole playoffs changed my mind. Check out his playoff history, especially in New York.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smithjr01.html#playoffs_per_game::none

It's pretty dreadful. Can't really defend those numbers....

I really don't look at what players do elsewhere...I care what they do when in a Knick uni...JR had a awesome year for us...He outperformed his contract by leaps and bounds, literally...He played poorly in the playoffs, but so did most of the team...

He's shooting 32 percent from the field and 22 percent from 3s in 2 postseasons with the Knicks. To me, and the rest of the universe, it's easily replaceable.

Well since you put it that way, the universe is never wrong...

After 9 seasons of sample size, I think the universe might be right this time around.

Holfresh, not trying to be difficult, just stating the reasons why losing JR to free agency isn't that big of a deal, which is a real possibility.

Well that's the whole point inst it..JR isn't payed to be the second option..He stepped into the role because there was no one else capable..U can't blame him for that..U want him to be the second option in the playoffs and he isn't that guy..We still haven't come up with a better option than JR..

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holfresh wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:I'm actually hoping the Knicks don't match any offers for JR.

We can match his production with the players we'll potentially have on the team.

Like whom??..It's fine not to bring him back but what options are available???

Well, either way the Knicks will probably lose him. I'd sign him for a 2 year, $10 million deal, nothing more. Nothing that eats into the summer of 2015. He'd also have to accept the bench role again, which he stated numerous times that he'd like to start.

If another team offers him $7 or $8 mill per, good riddance. The D league is full of swing men that can produce at JR's rate or even more efficiently.

I think u are selling what JR brought us last year a little short..the D League is full of sixth man of the year candidates??

I'd rather have someone more stable and consistent, than suffer another epic mental postseason meltdown again. Sure he had some moments here and there, really good regular season, etc.

When the chips were on the table, he let us down in the Boston and Indiana series. Reverted back to "Bad JR"

Addition by subtraction.

He was put in a position where he never belonged...He should never have been asked to be Melo's number 2 guy..He isn't that player...But the team needed it and he stepped up...U are expecting a 3 mil a year guy step into the shoes of a 15 mil a year player..When he didn't live up to it in the playoffs then u hold it against him???..

This is not a one off. JR has been doing this act since Zheijang, Denver, New Orleans, St Benedicts Prep, Lakewood, Steinart, Womb.

Thought he finally matured. We were all wrong.

Really???..The elbow changed your mind???

One elbow and the whole playoffs changed my mind. Check out his playoff history, especially in New York.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smithjr01.html#playoffs_per_game::none

It's pretty dreadful. Can't really defend those numbers....

I really don't look at what players do elsewhere...I care what they do when in a Knick uni...JR had a awesome year for us...He outperformed his contract by leaps and bounds, literally...He played poorly in the playoffs, but so did most of the team...

He's shooting 32 percent from the field and 22 percent from 3s in 2 postseasons with the Knicks. To me, and the rest of the universe, it's easily replaceable.

Well since you put it that way, the universe is never wrong...

After 9 seasons of sample size, I think the universe might be right this time around.

Holfresh, not trying to be difficult, just stating the reasons why losing JR to free agency isn't that big of a deal, which is a real possibility.

Well that's the whole point inst it..JR isn't payed to be the second option..He stepped into the role because there was no one else capable..U can't blame him for that..U want him to be the second option in the playoffs and he isn't that guy..We still haven't come up with a better option than JR..

If we can retain him for cheap, it's all gravy. More options and firepower.

If he bolts for greener pastures, no skin off the Knick's back.

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what we think. It'll be up to JR to decide if wants to accept lesser money to stay to play a role or if we wants starter money and minutes.

GustavBahler wrote:If J.R is brought back I hope they don't sign his brother. I don't believe he deserves that kind of consideration after the playoffs. No way.

IF you think about it, signing his brother is one way to pay him more money. No other team is gonna give his brother a job, so what do we care if he's the 15th man on the roster? I'd do it personally. We carried scrubs like White who did nothing for this team. I can see us having a guard on the bench who allowed us to keep our 2nd leading scorer.

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GustavBahler wrote:If J.R is brought back I hope they don't sign his brother. I don't believe he deserves that kind of consideration after the playoffs. No way.

IF you think about it, signing his brother is one way to pay him more money. No other team is gonna give his brother a job, so what do we care if he's the 15th man on the roster? I'd do it personally. We carried scrubs like White who did nothing for this team. I can see us having a guard on the bench who allowed us to keep our 2nd leading scorer.

I didn't mind at all that Ewing's son got a shot to make the roster considering what his Dad gave to the franchise but this is different. Don't believe J.R is a player who should be enabled. Not a player with his history who is about to be signed to an long term deal.

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playa2 wrote:Woody & JR and his family at dinner.

Woody: JR I love you like a son, you made me look good last reg season when you pulled up your pants and didn't hit the clubs and get wasted for a good stretch of the season.

JR: Coach everybody here at this table know I have a drinking issue and like giving girls da pipe after late night flights. OH Excuse me mom.

Woody: yea I was young once I know how it can be in NYC after dark being a professional ball player. Matter fact a lot of your critics couldn't handle what those women have been throwing at you.

Dad: Well you know I use to be a lil terror back in the day right baby ha ha ha.

Mom: Yea that's how you got me to marry you.... he he.

Woody: All I'm asking you to do JR is come off the bench with Barganni and Prigioni and play the right way.

JR: Well I told you coach I think I should be starting.

Woody: maybe you could if you would settle down in your private life and be more professional.

Mom: JR, son it 's time out for the pipe business at all hours of the morning, you have to get your rest baby.

Jr : yea ma I know, but I have them calling my name you know what that does for my ego ?

Woody: JR this dinner meeting is about basketball, come on son lets talk hoops.

Dad: I know JR , they don't know what it's like to be 27 and packing heat and all these social networks giving you all the play you can handle.

Woody: JR we need you to respect the Uniform by being more professional after we give you the new contract, can you promise us things will be different this upcoming season.

JR: Well one thing for certain coach I love playing in NY, I love the fans , but a brother has to get paid this time around I'm 27 yrs old.

Woody : Well then you need to act like a mature 27 yr old and come up to another level, Isiah and Dolan love your play and your lifestyle off the court, but they aren't the ones coaching you. I knew players back in my day who use to ball crazy, ran the women , but the got their rest and didn't come hung over in big games.

JR: Coach They didn't make ladies and clubs like they do today, I bet you guys when you all were single couldn't handle NY today.

Woody: well that's why I got married I had to make a decision and I'm asking you to make one tonight. Can I get you to go an entire yr by behaving and being ready to play ball when we have a game ?

Dad: JR, boy listen to the man he's talking to you like a man, stop fooling around and get serious we need you to do the right thing. We trying to get your brother a shot on the team as the 15th man.

Mom: JR, you know I taught you always to look out for you lil brother.

JR: Coach Woodson I want to retire a NY KNICK, if I come correct and don't hang out all the time and get twisted and play more professional with no deviant acts do you think this is possible.

Woody: JR if you go check into an AA type facility in the off season for athletes , it could prepare you for the upcoming season .

JR: I'll think about it, but I want to get paid, I'm not getting any younger, I stayed healthy all yr.

Woody: ok I will check into a few places and call my friend John Lucas in Houston. Ok y'all have a good night and JR, you know I treated you like a son, no other coach in the ASSOCIATION is gonna do that for you.

You guys don't think the dinner meeting went something like this ?

lol hilarious