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nykshaknbake
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6/30/2013  9:31 PM
It has potential, but he may just be an injured bust with our luck. We know he doesn't rebound..can he play any D? Not really up to date on the guy.
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6/30/2013  9:38 PM
nykshaknbake wrote:It has potential, but he may just be an injured bust with our luck. We know he doesn't rebound..can he play any D? Not really up to date on the guy.

Just out of curiosity, have you managed to recall any of these high priced, gamble types, ever working out for any team? I've been trying to think of an example and can't come up with one. I'm a pessimist by nature but Bargnani's recent health suggests that he'll never be "fully healthy". I suspect he'll miss major time over the next two seasons, which defeats the purpose of having him in the first place. I would've preferred we used those picks to go after a guy like Thomas Robinson who has the potential to actually be something in this league.
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6/30/2013  9:46 PM
BRIGGS wrote:With what we had to trade Camby Novak and nothing else but a pick we have to swap if necessary we got a player who scores 20 points a night who is 7-0 260. He should with a much more spread offense go up in efficiency.. What else were we going to get? They did it for the 1 and it could come back to haunt us but lets play the next 2 years out--then we haev massive free agency again.

Well, if the said player averages less rebounds a game than Landry Fields did and refuses to play defense exactly what benefit do we get from 7-0, 260?? As for the spread offense, what part of the last two years has suggested Woody or MElo are going to try to spread the offense? The point of using a decoy is that you actually have to get the ball to him if the opposing team repeatedly calls your bluff. We don't do that in our "offense".

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6/30/2013  9:51 PM
well I would argue Melo did pan out. but we really aren't giving all that much up besides the 1st rounder. It's not a great trade but its fair I guess.
NardDogNation wrote:
nykshaknbake wrote:It has potential, but he may just be an injured bust with our luck. We know he doesn't rebound..can he play any D? Not really up to date on the guy.

Just out of curiosity, have you managed to recall any of these high priced, gamble types, ever working out for any team? I've been trying to think of an example and can't come up with one. I'm a pessimist by nature but Bargnani's recent health suggests that he'll never be "fully healthy". I suspect he'll miss major time over the next two seasons, which defeats the purpose of having him in the first place. I would've preferred we used those picks to go after a guy like Thomas Robinson who has the potential to actually be something in this league.
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6/30/2013  9:59 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/30/2013  10:00 PM
nykshaknbake wrote:well I would argue Melo did pan out. but we really aren't giving all that much up besides the 1st rounder. It's not a great trade but its fair I guess.
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nykshaknbake wrote:It has potential, but he may just be an injured bust with our luck. We know he doesn't rebound..can he play any D? Not really up to date on the guy.

Just out of curiosity, have you managed to recall any of these high priced, gamble types, ever working out for any team? I've been trying to think of an example and can't come up with one. I'm a pessimist by nature but Bargnani's recent health suggests that he'll never be "fully healthy". I suspect he'll miss major time over the next two seasons, which defeats the purpose of having him in the first place. I would've preferred we used those picks to go after a guy like Thomas Robinson who has the potential to actually be something in this league.


Melo wasn't a gamble. He was a bonafided all-star with no history of major jnjury. The two scenarios couldn't be any more radically different. Also, that is one first round pick amongst the several other draft pick debts we have. Considering how quickly the wheels can fall off on this aged team, these obligations can turn into a nightmare worse than when we were forced to give up LaMarcus Aldridge and Joakim Noah in the draft.
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6/30/2013  10:00 PM
Cambyses and Novak could have been traded for me and it would be s great trade. They are both useless
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6/30/2013  10:06 PM
So a pick at #22-30 is going to get us something better than what someone got with their #1 overall pick???

Reality is the knicks are looking at getting Shump, or a bust that low in the draft....the Knicks got lucky drafting David Lee at #30. Could we get lucky again? Yeah but there are 30 team looking to get that lucky too. Maybe we can start building through the draft after the Carmelo era....right now we have a 2 year window like Briggs said

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6/30/2013  10:07 PM
knickslions wrote:Cambyses and Novak could have been traded for me and it would be s great trade. They are both useless

Have you seen or even heard of Bargnani these past 3 seasons? Raptor fans saved other fanbases the trouble of booing this guy. That says alot.
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6/30/2013  10:08 PM
knickslions wrote:Cambyses and Novak could have been traded for me and it would be s great trade. They are both useless
Your selling yourself short. You have done some great work over on the off topic forum.
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6/30/2013  10:11 PM
EnySpree wrote:So a pick at #22-30 is going to get us something better than what someone got with their #1 overall pick?

Exactly! Now you're getting it! There are things called a bust and Bargnani is well on his way to being one. I don't want the privilege of having him at the expense of draft picks, which represents one of the few assets that this team has to improve. Given our recent draft record, we can make that pick in the 20's worth wild
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6/30/2013  10:15 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Andrea Bargnani 41-7-6 2 years ago. Dont poo poo this trade. Before he was hurt he was playing at an all star level and hes 27 years old. We gave up absolute crp for him.

The question is how much did we scored on him that game? Based on his history, probably more than 41...
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6/30/2013  10:18 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
JamesKPolk wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:With what we had to trade Camby Novak and nothing else but a pick we have to swap if necessary we got a player who scores 20 points a night who is 7-0 260. He should with a much more spread offense go up in efficiency.. What else were we going to get? They did it for the 1 and it could come back to haunt us but lets play the next 2 years out--then we haev massive free agency again.
Agree. This was a tremendous deal for the Knicks.

I knew it. I knew you would support this awful trade. Still on that agenda I see.

I think it was a great trade. Not sure but did you think the Knicks could get anything for Camby and Novak? Also, I am not sure why you keep saying I have an agenda. I liked the move. This might be the only place where it was responded to negatively.

NO there are other places. This trade has potential. Its not that bad. It cracks me up that the people who say Camby and Novak are unmovable are in such an uproar when they get moved. 2nd round picks can be bought or gotten easily. Ronnie Brewer got Ny a 2nd rd pick. No one knows what will happen this offseason. So why not let everything play out.

LIke the Jerome James signing, like the Mcdyess trade, the Curry trade, the Crawful signing, etc.

They all had potential and they all blew in our face.

When will we learn?
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6/30/2013  10:34 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
nykshaknbake wrote:well I would argue Melo did pan out. but we really aren't giving all that much up besides the 1st rounder. It's not a great trade but its fair I guess.
NardDogNation wrote:
nykshaknbake wrote:It has potential, but he may just be an injured bust with our luck. We know he doesn't rebound..can he play any D? Not really up to date on the guy.

Just out of curiosity, have you managed to recall any of these high priced, gamble types, ever working out for any team? I've been trying to think of an example and can't come up with one. I'm a pessimist by nature but Bargnani's recent health suggests that he'll never be "fully healthy". I suspect he'll miss major time over the next two seasons, which defeats the purpose of having him in the first place. I would've preferred we used those picks to go after a guy like Thomas Robinson who has the potential to actually be something in this league.


Melo wasn't a gamble. He was a bonafided all-star with no history of major jnjury. The two scenarios couldn't be any more radically different. Also, that is one first round pick amongst the several other draft pick debts we have. Considering how quickly the wheels can fall off on this aged team, these obligations can turn into a nightmare worse than when we were forced to give up LaMarcus Aldridge and Joakim Noah in the draft.

The fact that it is the Denver swap helps a bit. I can't disagree with what you're saying though.
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6/30/2013  10:35 PM
I'm not sold on this trade. It looks like a reactionary trade to the Nets. 7' who shoots 43% WTF is that soft as toilet tissue no rebounding, no defense. I know we traded crap to get crap. I'm really not feeling it for this trade. You know injured goods always and I mean always come back to bite the Knicks back.

This goes back to my theory that Knicks are an organization that is created to help rest of the league. The Knicks are not in the business of cha,pions hip building or winning but making sure bad contracts injured players have a place to goto to play it out.
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6/30/2013  10:42 PM
Im still trying to figure out why some are excited. Sure if we got rid of ONLY novak and camby it would be a good deal but we gave up 3 draft picks for a guy who 1. has never lived up to expectations 2. has questionable work ethic which is why he was booed every game and 3 is injury prone just as much as Amare is
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6/30/2013  10:46 PM
nykshaknbake wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
nykshaknbake wrote:well I would argue Melo did pan out. but we really aren't giving all that much up besides the 1st rounder. It's not a great trade but its fair I guess.
NardDogNation wrote:
nykshaknbake wrote:It has potential, but he may just be an injured bust with our luck. We know he doesn't rebound..can he play any D? Not really up to date on the guy.

Just out of curiosity, have you managed to recall any of these high priced, gamble types, ever working out for any team? I've been trying to think of an example and can't come up with one. I'm a pessimist by nature but Bargnani's recent health suggests that he'll never be "fully healthy". I suspect he'll miss major time over the next two seasons, which defeats the purpose of having him in the first place. I would've preferred we used those picks to go after a guy like Thomas Robinson who has the potential to actually be something in this league.


Melo wasn't a gamble. He was a bonafided all-star with no history of major jnjury. The two scenarios couldn't be any more radically different. Also, that is one first round pick amongst the several other draft pick debts we have. Considering how quickly the wheels can fall off on this aged team, these obligations can turn into a nightmare worse than when we were forced to give up LaMarcus Aldridge and Joakim Noah in the draft.

The fact that it is the Denver swap helps a bit. I can't disagree with what you're saying though.

No, it doesn't. Just because one of the Raptors or Nuggets gets our pick in 2016, doesn't absolve us from having to find a pick to give the other in subsequent years. It is because of this that I hate the trade because there is a strong possibility that this turns into a lottery pick in the stars don't alone in the 2015 offseason.
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