JamesKPolk wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

3G4G wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:The team isn't that good and the contracts are worse.

the great Grunwald has handicapped the team by putting all his eggs in the Chandler basket and making ridiculous moves like giving Novak $16 million over 4 years.

Yet we keep Hi-Fiving Air to Grunny for all these wonderful finds/gems...really where are they?

I'm just saying losing teams have desired players on them by other teams and they make it known, yet tumbleweeds here. It's really odd. I can understand why playa feels there's a conspiracy amongst the league against us. It's Bizarre or maybe just maybe our assets aren't that good/attractive.

Hindsight is 20/20. Originally I loved the Tyson move and amnestying Billups. Amar'e was coming off of a GREAT season and an injury that wasn't thought to be all that bad (back, not knees). Now of course if we had to do it all over I'm sure Amar'e would've been amnesty'd. And Tyson himself isn't worth the big contract, although at the time I though he would be. I always thought the Novak contract was terrible.

Overall, Grunny hasn't been horrible but hasn't been great. This off season will be very important.

Why did we pick the option up on Billups just to amnesty him that was stupid. Only 1 franchise I know of would be stupid enough to be free and clear of a player but instead give him 15 million dollars not to play for them.That is the Knicks in a nut shell and why Im sure I will never see a title in my lifetime

Only Donnie Walsh knows the answer to that one, he was the one who did it, it happened a few days after the end of the season.

"Chauncey, Amare [Stoudemire] and Chauncey [Billups] are a great nucleus, as we continue to look to improve our team going into the offseason," Knicks president of basketball operations Donnie Walsh said in a statement. "Chauncey is an extremely talented and experienced point guard -- we are very happy to have him back."

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/news/story?id=6437715

Walsh knew what he was doing. He would try his hand with Billups at point, have him expire, and then go after Chris Paul. Or use Billups with Shump in a trade for Paul. But Grunwald came in and thought it would be genius if he used his amnesty on an expiring contract rather than a monster, uninsured contract of an injury prone player on his roster.

Exactemundo, mon dude!

JamesKPolk wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

3G4G wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:The team isn't that good and the contracts are worse.

the great Grunwald has handicapped the team by putting all his eggs in the Chandler basket and making ridiculous moves like giving Novak $16 million over 4 years.

Yet we keep Hi-Fiving Air to Grunny for all these wonderful finds/gems...really where are they?

I'm just saying losing teams have desired players on them by other teams and they make it known, yet tumbleweeds here. It's really odd. I can understand why playa feels there's a conspiracy amongst the league against us. It's Bizarre or maybe just maybe our assets aren't that good/attractive.

Hindsight is 20/20. Originally I loved the Tyson move and amnestying Billups. Amar'e was coming off of a GREAT season and an injury that wasn't thought to be all that bad (back, not knees). Now of course if we had to do it all over I'm sure Amar'e would've been amnesty'd. And Tyson himself isn't worth the big contract, although at the time I though he would be. I always thought the Novak contract was terrible.

Overall, Grunny hasn't been horrible but hasn't been great. This off season will be very important.

Why did we pick the option up on Billups just to amnesty him that was stupid. Only 1 franchise I know of would be stupid enough to be free and clear of a player but instead give him 15 million dollars not to play for them.That is the Knicks in a nut shell and why Im sure I will never see a title in my lifetime

Only Donnie Walsh knows the answer to that one, he was the one who did it, it happened a few days after the end of the season.

"Chauncey, Amare [Stoudemire] and Chauncey [Billups] are a great nucleus, as we continue to look to improve our team going into the offseason," Knicks president of basketball operations Donnie Walsh said in a statement. "Chauncey is an extremely talented and experienced point guard -- we are very happy to have him back."

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/news/story?id=6437715

Walsh knew what he was doing. He would try his hand with Billups at point, have him expire, and then go after Chris Paul. Or use Billups with Shump in a trade for Paul. But Grunwald came in and thought it would be genius if he used his amnesty on an expiring contract rather than a monster, uninsured contract of an injury prone player on his roster.

3G4G wrote:Teams weren't beating down our doors with offers for our players?

Now I understand there are a couple that have drawn interest on the open market but this is the case for tons of players when they reach this situation.

How come teams weren't blowing us away with pick(multiple) offers for Shumpert?

How come teams aren't looking to pry Tyson Chandler off our hands with picks and whatnot but old arse Garnett and Pierce are getting teams to give up multiple high 1st rounders and young prospects?

How did Jrue Holiday get traded for essentially 2 lotto picks on a losing team?

How come teams are after LaMarcus Aldridge offering multiple picks while on a losing team?

How come teams are after Kevin Love after breaking his hand twice offering multiple picks?

Why are teams after Eric Bledsoe when he's just a backup point guard?

Where are the offers for Melo just to see his value at this point, gotta be on the rise right we made it to the second round?

Hey we won 54gms and won our Division something that hasn't been accomplished in ages.

Who is beating down the Nuggets doors or the Heat or the Spurs???

JamesKPolk wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

3G4G wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:The team isn't that good and the contracts are worse.

the great Grunwald has handicapped the team by putting all his eggs in the Chandler basket and making ridiculous moves like giving Novak $16 million over 4 years.

Yet we keep Hi-Fiving Air to Grunny for all these wonderful finds/gems...really where are they?

I'm just saying losing teams have desired players on them by other teams and they make it known, yet tumbleweeds here. It's really odd. I can understand why playa feels there's a conspiracy amongst the league against us. It's Bizarre or maybe just maybe our assets aren't that good/attractive.

Hindsight is 20/20. Originally I loved the Tyson move and amnestying Billups. Amar'e was coming off of a GREAT season and an injury that wasn't thought to be all that bad (back, not knees). Now of course if we had to do it all over I'm sure Amar'e would've been amnesty'd. And Tyson himself isn't worth the big contract, although at the time I though he would be. I always thought the Novak contract was terrible.

Overall, Grunny hasn't been horrible but hasn't been great. This off season will be very important.

Why did we pick the option up on Billups just to amnesty him that was stupid. Only 1 franchise I know of would be stupid enough to be free and clear of a player but instead give him 15 million dollars not to play for them.That is the Knicks in a nut shell and why Im sure I will never see a title in my lifetime

Only Donnie Walsh knows the answer to that one, he was the one who did it, it happened a few days after the end of the season.

"Chauncey, Amare [Stoudemire] and Chauncey [Billups] are a great nucleus, as we continue to look to improve our team going into the offseason," Knicks president of basketball operations Donnie Walsh said in a statement. "Chauncey is an extremely talented and experienced point guard -- we are very happy to have him back."

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/news/story?id=6437715

Walsh knew what he was doing. He would try his hand with Billups at point, have him expire, and then go after Chris Paul. Or use Billups with Shump in a trade for Paul. But Grunwald came in and thought it would be genius if he used his amnesty on an expiring contract rather than a monster, uninsured contract of an injury prone player on his roster.

So Walsh cleared out players and draft picks to create cap space to sign a player to a max deal that he planned on amnestying?
Amare was signed under the old cba. There was no amnesty clause in place when he was signed.

Yes, because, at the end of the day he would have admitted his mistake and cut his losses. Amare played like an MVP his first season but injuries did him in. Chris Paul would be a Knick right now if not for Grunwald's buffoonery.

I don't think there would be anyway the league office takes shump and bill ups for Paul. The lakers made a good offer but the league wanted young players and picks. The Knicks couldn't trade a first rounder until 2016 at that point. Gordon, Aminu, kahmen and picks was a better and younger package then anything the Knicks had left from previous moves to offer for Paul.

JamesKPolk wrote:Kaman sucks, I would take Shumpert over Gordon and Aminu is just okay. All the picks are going to be late 1st rounders. Not a good trade at all. The Knicks 1st rounder is worth more than those picks combined.

CrushAlot wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:Kaman sucks, I would take Shumpert over Gordon and Aminu is just okay. All the picks are going to be late 1st rounders. Not a good trade at all. The Knicks 1st rounder is worth more than those picks combined.

The Knicks first rounder would have been for 5 years after the trade. They had already traded 2012, and 2014. No way the NBA accepts that after turning down the Lakers offer. Also, at the time Gordon's stock was higher and Aminu was only going into his second season and had been a lottery pick. I just don't see anyway that deal gets done for the Knicks.

I'm sorry, are you Ms. Cleo? You can see into the past and future simutaneously?

The bottom line is wasting the amnesty on Billups and giving the money to Chandler was a monumental blunder that set the franchise back. End of story.

League shot down trade because Hornets owner (NBA) did not approve it. Why? Not the kind of trade you make when team is up for sale.

Shump is the Next Jordan, but its a secret!!!!

Amare was signed so we'd have an expiring! Its the only way!

NBA does not hate the knicks, we just don't have a scenario by which teams want our players. As much as some of you trade off tyson, the reality is without him we are screwed. If you think we should get value for him now and get young assets to develop then your rooting for the wrong team.

JamesKPolk wrote:Kaman sucks, I would take Shumpert over Gordon and Aminu is just okay. All the picks are going to be late 1st rounders. Not a good trade at all. The Knicks 1st rounder is worth more than those picks combined.

you would take shumpert over eric gordon?