playa2 wrote:Kidd knew the knicks disliked the Nets he played against them last season, so for him to go there and become the head coach speaks volumes.

This had to be planned all along, a lot of people hate this franchise and James Dolan.

he wanted to be a head coach. he led the nets to two finals appearances and won a title as a maverick. i don't see where there is an ulterior motive unless you wanted to accuse him of getting paid too much in his last season as a player. as it is, without kidd the knicks would not have even won 50 games last year.

it's a great PR move by the nets and with garnett and pierce on the floor for 24-28 minutes a night his job as coach will be that much easier.

playa2 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

playa2 wrote:Kidd knew the knicks disliked the Nets he played against them last season, so for him to go there and become the head coach speaks volumes.

This had to be planned all along, a lot of people hate this franchise and James Dolan.

I think the Nets planned on hiring Brian Shaw. I also don't think going back to a place where you had your glory days, went to two finals and cemented your future as a hof is done to spite a team you played for one year in your 19 year career.

So what you are saying is when Jr and Melo reverted baCk to ISO WHEN WE WERE WINNING WITH BALL MOVEMENT, you don;t think guys like Iman, Prigioni, Novak Copeland, didn't want to keep playing that way ?

They were upset but had no juice card to complain. Chandler spoke UP for those guys , but his play didn't measure up because of the injury(SIC) and losing weight.
GAME 6
The Pacers appeared to be in control in the third quarter, leading by as many as 12 points, but Iman Shumpert caught fire, hitting three straight 3-pointers in a span of 64 seconds to spark a 12-2 run that tied the game at 72-all. Chris Copeland and J.R. Smith than added to a streak of seven consecutive 3-pointers made as the Knicks took a 92-90 lead with 5:42 remaining. Indiana's defense dug in as Anthony missed two shots and committed three turnovers.

that bolded part is pure speculation on your part. Cope was usually the 2nd option when he came into the game and the guys (melo) included would look for him. You guys are constantly making me go to my DVR (got the whole season recorded) to watch again for myself and Cope was never phased out when on the floor. I doubt Prigs would care one way or the other as long as we were winning because he doesn't want to shoot anyway. Shump knows his offense is secondary because it's his defense that keeps him on the floor and until very late in the season he was still "coming" back from the injury and not fully there.

I agree with pretty much everything else you said

AnubisADL wrote:I doubt teams hate us.

We have nothing they want outside of Melo, Chandler, Felton, and Shumpert.

Amare is useless.

quite agree. why hate a team that hasnt been much of a threat in ages? living outside of the ny area has shown me the only team that is hated/feared in nyc even when they stink is the yankees.

TeamBall wrote:

tkf wrote:

playa2 wrote:Kidd knew the knicks disliked the Nets he played against them last season, so for him to go there and become the head coach speaks volumes.

This had to be planned all along, a lot of people hate this franchise and James Dolan.

no kidding playa... and not for one minute was I buying all of Kidd's BS of this team being like the mavs with carmelo playing the role of dirk.. rofl.. I just can't see how kidd would even enjoy playing with carmelo..

3g was all over this, he said kidd came here to get close to his connects and get some money on the way out the door..

His connects in the Nets organization? He had to be playing for the Knicks to talk to them?

No, his connections with the knicks were to beat them IN 2013-14 !

Prokovich the owner of the Nets wants his team to be the best team in NYC, I have to believe Kidd knows enough about the Knicks to counter whatever Woodson tries to put forth.

playa2 wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

tkf wrote:

playa2 wrote:Kidd knew the knicks disliked the Nets he played against them last season, so for him to go there and become the head coach speaks volumes.

This had to be planned all along, a lot of people hate this franchise and James Dolan.

no kidding playa... and not for one minute was I buying all of Kidd's BS of this team being like the mavs with carmelo playing the role of dirk.. rofl.. I just can't see how kidd would even enjoy playing with carmelo..

3g was all over this, he said kidd came here to get close to his connects and get some money on the way out the door..

His connects in the Nets organization? He had to be playing for the Knicks to talk to them?

No, his connections with the knicks were to beat them IN 2013-14 !

Prokovich the owner of the Nets wants his team to be the best team in NYC, I have to believe Kidd knows enough about the Knicks to counter whatever Woodson tries to put forth.

Its all a big conspiracy to you!

So Kidd was intimate enough with the Nets ownership to know that Avery would be fired, that PJ would not make a good playoff run, that his body would break down and he'd be granted a legit shot at coaching with the nets?

If so, why not just join the Nets last summer?

CrushAlot wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

playa2 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

playa2 wrote:Kidd knew the knicks disliked the Nets he played against them last season, so for him to go there and become the head coach speaks volumes.

This had to be planned all along, a lot of people hate this franchise and James Dolan.

I think the Nets planned on hiring Brian Shaw. I also don't think going back to a place where you had your glory days, went to two finals and cemented your future as a hof is done to spite a team you played for one year in your 19 year career.

So what you are saying is when Jr and Melo reverted baCk to ISO WHEN WE WERE WINNING WITH BALL MOVEMENT, you don;t think guys like Iman, Prigioni, Novak Copeland, didn't want to keep playing that way ?

They were upset but had no juice card to complain. Chandler spoke UP for those guys , but his play didn't measure up because of the injury(SIC) and losing weight.
GAME 6
The Pacers appeared to be in control in the third quarter, leading by as many as 12 points, but Iman Shumpert caught fire, hitting three straight 3-pointers in a span of 64 seconds to spark a 12-2 run that tied the game at 72-all. Chris Copeland and J.R. Smith than added to a streak of seven consecutive 3-pointers made as the Knicks took a 92-90 lead with 5:42 remaining. Indiana's defense dug in as Anthony missed two shots and committed three turnovers.

that bolded part is pure speculation on your part. Cope was usually the 2nd option when he came into the game and the guys (melo) included would look for him. You guys are constantly making me go to my DVR (got the whole season recorded) to watch again for myself and Cope was never phased out when on the floor. I doubt Prigs would care one way or the other as long as we were winning because he doesn't want to shoot anyway. Shump knows his offense is secondary because it's his defense that keeps him on the floor and until very late in the season he was still "coming" back from the injury and not fully there.

I agree with pretty much everything else you said

I dont know where all this talk about Melo pushing Kidd out the door or Kidd having a "master plan" came from but playa sort of has a point. Both Iman and Prigs criticized the offense after we were eliminated. And of course you know Tyson did so during the season. Whether Cope was frozen out or not, guys seemed to have been less than pleased with the way we played on offense.

I never heard shump and prigs criticize the offense. Can you provide the context or a link?

"We need some more continuity as far as running something that everybody knows we're in it -- just something with more pace," he said. "We have a lot of dead possessions where we don't really have any cohesiveness. We're just sort of out there and it becomes watching whoever has the ball."

Thats Shumps quote. As for Pigioni, I was more referring to post game interviews (the game where we were eliminated included) where he would say that the ball needs to move more and guys have to stop watching. I'll try to find a quote.

TeamBall wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

playa2 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

playa2 wrote:Kidd knew the knicks disliked the Nets he played against them last season, so for him to go there and become the head coach speaks volumes.

This had to be planned all along, a lot of people hate this franchise and James Dolan.

I think the Nets planned on hiring Brian Shaw. I also don't think going back to a place where you had your glory days, went to two finals and cemented your future as a hof is done to spite a team you played for one year in your 19 year career.

So what you are saying is when Jr and Melo reverted baCk to ISO WHEN WE WERE WINNING WITH BALL MOVEMENT, you don;t think guys like Iman, Prigioni, Novak Copeland, didn't want to keep playing that way ?

They were upset but had no juice card to complain. Chandler spoke UP for those guys , but his play didn't measure up because of the injury(SIC) and losing weight.
GAME 6
The Pacers appeared to be in control in the third quarter, leading by as many as 12 points, but Iman Shumpert caught fire, hitting three straight 3-pointers in a span of 64 seconds to spark a 12-2 run that tied the game at 72-all. Chris Copeland and J.R. Smith than added to a streak of seven consecutive 3-pointers made as the Knicks took a 92-90 lead with 5:42 remaining. Indiana's defense dug in as Anthony missed two shots and committed three turnovers.

that bolded part is pure speculation on your part. Cope was usually the 2nd option when he came into the game and the guys (melo) included would look for him. You guys are constantly making me go to my DVR (got the whole season recorded) to watch again for myself and Cope was never phased out when on the floor. I doubt Prigs would care one way or the other as long as we were winning because he doesn't want to shoot anyway. Shump knows his offense is secondary because it's his defense that keeps him on the floor and until very late in the season he was still "coming" back from the injury and not fully there.

I agree with pretty much everything else you said

I dont know where all this talk about Melo pushing Kidd out the door or Kidd having a "master plan" came from but playa sort of has a point. Both Iman and Prigs criticized the offense after we were eliminated. And of course you know Tyson did so during the season. Whether Cope was frozen out or not, guys seemed to have been less than pleased with the way we played on offense.

I never heard shump and prigs criticize the offense. Can you provide the context or a link?

"We need some more continuity as far as running something that everybody knows we're in it -- just something with more pace," he said. "We have a lot of dead possessions where we don't really have any cohesiveness. We're just sort of out there and it becomes watching whoever has the ball."

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/44728/shumpert-offense-needs-more-continuity

Thats Shumps quote. As for Pigioni, I was more referring to post game interviews (the game where we were eliminated included) where he would say that the ball needs to move more and guys have to stop watching. I'll try to find a quote.

sidsanders wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:I doubt teams hate us.

We have nothing they want outside of Melo, Chandler, Felton, and Shumpert.

Amare is useless.

quite agree. why hate a team that hasnt been much of a threat in ages? living outside of the ny area has shown me the only team that is hated/feared in nyc even when they stink is the yankees.