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6/21/2013  2:57 PM
Cousins, Stephen Jax, JR - which other malcontents can we bring in? I heard Crittenton is available...

Also, who's supposed to fix Cousins attitude? If he goes in Melo's footsteps, we'll have a Zach Randolph 2.0 black hole. Just 3 years ago, weren't we all chiming for a change in culture and character of our personnel?

BUT, maybe a little attitude is more desirable than a flu-ridden pacifist.

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6/22/2013  7:02 AM
nyvector16 wrote:I would do a a trade of Chandler & Shumpert for Cousins & Tyreke Evans. They can throw in Tony Douglas for salary matching purposes..

We get younger & better...

I'm sure you would do that but Sacramento wouldn't.

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6/23/2013  8:37 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/23/2013  8:39 AM
VCoug wrote:
nyvector16 wrote:I would do a a trade of Chandler & Shumpert for Cousins & Tyreke Evans. They can throw in Tony Douglas for salary matching purposes..

We get younger & better...

I'm sure you would do that but Sacramento wouldn't.


Seriously why would the Kings do this at all. The Kings are giving us the better front court player and the better back court player and has to give us spare parts in the form of a Back up PG to make the money work? At least be somewhat realistic

The Knicks have zero chance of making this deal but it would look more like this. Money works with the trade exception.However not sure if we could trade are 1st round pick so not sure if the player would have to be signed and shipped away or his rights can be traded. If he signed we would need to add more salary from the Kings. So whatever their worst contract worth 2 to 4 million would need to be added

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6/23/2013  9:29 AM
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6/23/2013  11:18 AM
skeng wrote:Cousins, Stephen Jax, JR - which other malcontents can we bring in? I heard Crittenton is available...

Also, who's supposed to fix Cousins attitude? If he goes in Melo's footsteps, we'll have a Zach Randolph 2.0 black hole. Just 3 years ago, weren't we all chiming for a change in culture and character of our personnel?

BUT, maybe a little attitude is more desirable than a flu-ridden pacifist.

Crittenton is actually standing trial as an accessory to murder. Guess we missed our big chance, lol

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6/23/2013  11:58 AM
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skeng wrote:Cousins, Stephen Jax, JR - which other malcontents can we bring in? I heard Crittenton is available...

Also, who's supposed to fix Cousins attitude? If he goes in Melo's footsteps, we'll have a Zach Randolph 2.0 black hole. Just 3 years ago, weren't we all chiming for a change in culture and character of our personnel?

BUT, maybe a little attitude is more desirable than a flu-ridden pacifist.

Crittenton is actually standing trial as an accessory to murder. Guess we missed our big chance, lol

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6/23/2013  4:56 PM
It’s been no secret that New York Knicks superstar Carmelo Anthony has asked for a second scoring option as the team prepares for the offseason.

Could that scorer come in the form of Sacramento Kings guard Tyreke Evans?

Evans is a player that has been on the Knicks radar before as several reports noted that the Knicks had a deal in place for him this past season but didn’t pull the trigger due to not wanting to disrupt chemistry.

Being that the Knicks will have little options in terms of improving via free agency and very little resources to do so via trade, a player like Evans may be the Knicks best chance to improve when it comes to scoring.

Evans at 23 is younger than anyone on the Knicks roster not named Iman Shumpert and has a ton of talent. He averaged 15.2 points a season ago and boasts a career scoring average of 17.5 points to go along with 4.8 points and 4.8 rebounds.

Despite his production, Evans seems to have fallen out of favor in Sacramento, which could make a deal a possibility.

He is a guy who can play either guard position but his quickness, ball handling ability and ability to finishing at the rim would represent an upgrade over current point guard Raymond Felton.

However acquiring Evans wouldn’t be easy.

The Knicks are not permitted to do a sign-and-trade for a free agent this season to go after point guard Chris Paul or any other player because they are over the luxury-tax threshold. That leaves the only option for Knicks general manager Glen Grunwald is to make a regular trade. While center Tyson Chandler, Felton, Shumpert and Steve Novak are his best trade chips, there are other options.

The Kings can offer Evans a qualifying offer worth $6,927,157 which means some combination of Novak, Felton, Marcus Camby and Ronnie Brewer’s trade exception could be enough to entice the Kings to move Evans, a player they seem anxious to get rid of.

To improve this team at all, Grunwald is going to have to get very creative.

With the lack of resources they have, they likely won’t be able to target a player much better than Evans.

Now we will see exactly how creative Grunwald can get and if Anthony will ultimately get his wish.

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6/23/2013  5:15 PM
knicks1248 wrote:It’s been no secret that New York Knicks superstar Carmelo Anthony has asked for a second scoring option as the team prepares for the offseason.

Could that scorer come in the form of Sacramento Kings guard Tyreke Evans?

Evans is a player that has been on the Knicks radar before as several reports noted that the Knicks had a deal in place for him this past season but didn’t pull the trigger due to not wanting to disrupt chemistry.

Being that the Knicks will have little options in terms of improving via free agency and very little resources to do so via trade, a player like Evans may be the Knicks best chance to improve when it comes to scoring.

Evans at 23 is younger than anyone on the Knicks roster not named Iman Shumpert and has a ton of talent. He averaged 15.2 points a season ago and boasts a career scoring average of 17.5 points to go along with 4.8 points and 4.8 rebounds.

Despite his production, Evans seems to have fallen out of favor in Sacramento, which could make a deal a possibility.

He is a guy who can play either guard position but his quickness, ball handling ability and ability to finishing at the rim would represent an upgrade over current point guard Raymond Felton.

However acquiring Evans wouldn’t be easy.

The Knicks are not permitted to do a sign-and-trade for a free agent this season to go after point guard Chris Paul or any other player because they are over the luxury-tax threshold. That leaves the only option for Knicks general manager Glen Grunwald is to make a regular trade. While center Tyson Chandler, Felton, Shumpert and Steve Novak are his best trade chips, there are other options.

The Kings can offer Evans a qualifying offer worth $6,927,157 which means some combination of Novak, Felton, Marcus Camby and Ronnie Brewer’s trade exception could be enough to entice the Kings to move Evans, a player they seem anxious to get rid of.

To improve this team at all, Grunwald is going to have to get very creative.

With the lack of resources they have, they likely won’t be able to target a player much better than Evans.

Now we will see exactly how creative Grunwald can get and if Anthony will ultimately get his wish.

I dont buy this at all who could we have possibly traded for Evans. Novak is a garbage contract no way in hell we can trade him, Felton? okay maybe ,Marcus Camby? I just dont see why the Kings would trade for are garbage they would do better getting back nothing

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6/23/2013  6:03 PM
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knicks1248 wrote:It’s been no secret that New York Knicks superstar Carmelo Anthony has asked for a second scoring option as the team prepares for the offseason.

Could that scorer come in the form of Sacramento Kings guard Tyreke Evans?

Evans is a player that has been on the Knicks radar before as several reports noted that the Knicks had a deal in place for him this past season but didn’t pull the trigger due to not wanting to disrupt chemistry.

Being that the Knicks will have little options in terms of improving via free agency and very little resources to do so via trade, a player like Evans may be the Knicks best chance to improve when it comes to scoring.

Evans at 23 is younger than anyone on the Knicks roster not named Iman Shumpert and has a ton of talent. He averaged 15.2 points a season ago and boasts a career scoring average of 17.5 points to go along with 4.8 points and 4.8 rebounds.

Despite his production, Evans seems to have fallen out of favor in Sacramento, which could make a deal a possibility.

He is a guy who can play either guard position but his quickness, ball handling ability and ability to finishing at the rim would represent an upgrade over current point guard Raymond Felton.

However acquiring Evans wouldn’t be easy.

The Knicks are not permitted to do a sign-and-trade for a free agent this season to go after point guard Chris Paul or any other player because they are over the luxury-tax threshold. That leaves the only option for Knicks general manager Glen Grunwald is to make a regular trade. While center Tyson Chandler, Felton, Shumpert and Steve Novak are his best trade chips, there are other options.

The Kings can offer Evans a qualifying offer worth $6,927,157 which means some combination of Novak, Felton, Marcus Camby and Ronnie Brewer’s trade exception could be enough to entice the Kings to move Evans, a player they seem anxious to get rid of.

To improve this team at all, Grunwald is going to have to get very creative.

With the lack of resources they have, they likely won’t be able to target a player much better than Evans.

Now we will see exactly how creative Grunwald can get and if Anthony will ultimately get his wish.

I dont buy this at all who could we have possibly traded for Evans. Novak is a garbage contract no way in hell we can trade him, Felton? okay maybe ,Marcus Camby? I just dont see why the Kings would trade for are garbage they would do better getting back nothing

None of it makes any sense. Besides the fact that that's a garbage trade of Sacramento, Tyreke Evans is a free agent. If they're that desperate to get rid of him they don't have to do anything.

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6/23/2013  9:41 PM
VCoug wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:It’s been no secret that New York Knicks superstar Carmelo Anthony has asked for a second scoring option as the team prepares for the offseason.

Could that scorer come in the form of Sacramento Kings guard Tyreke Evans?

Evans is a player that has been on the Knicks radar before as several reports noted that the Knicks had a deal in place for him this past season but didn’t pull the trigger due to not wanting to disrupt chemistry.

Being that the Knicks will have little options in terms of improving via free agency and very little resources to do so via trade, a player like Evans may be the Knicks best chance to improve when it comes to scoring.

Evans at 23 is younger than anyone on the Knicks roster not named Iman Shumpert and has a ton of talent. He averaged 15.2 points a season ago and boasts a career scoring average of 17.5 points to go along with 4.8 points and 4.8 rebounds.

Despite his production, Evans seems to have fallen out of favor in Sacramento, which could make a deal a possibility.

He is a guy who can play either guard position but his quickness, ball handling ability and ability to finishing at the rim would represent an upgrade over current point guard Raymond Felton.

However acquiring Evans wouldn’t be easy.

The Knicks are not permitted to do a sign-and-trade for a free agent this season to go after point guard Chris Paul or any other player because they are over the luxury-tax threshold. That leaves the only option for Knicks general manager Glen Grunwald is to make a regular trade. While center Tyson Chandler, Felton, Shumpert and Steve Novak are his best trade chips, there are other options.

The Kings can offer Evans a qualifying offer worth $6,927,157 which means some combination of Novak, Felton, Marcus Camby and Ronnie Brewer’s trade exception could be enough to entice the Kings to move Evans, a player they seem anxious to get rid of.

To improve this team at all, Grunwald is going to have to get very creative.

With the lack of resources they have, they likely won’t be able to target a player much better than Evans.

Now we will see exactly how creative Grunwald can get and if Anthony will ultimately get his wish.

I dont buy this at all who could we have possibly traded for Evans. Novak is a garbage contract no way in hell we can trade him, Felton? okay maybe ,Marcus Camby? I just dont see why the Kings would trade for are garbage they would do better getting back nothing

None of it makes any sense. Besides the fact that that's a garbage trade of Sacramento, Tyreke Evans is a free agent. If they're that desperate to get rid of him they don't have to do anything.

Are you sure he's a FA, that would make this article completely bogus, which i doubt

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6/23/2013  10:54 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
VCoug wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:It’s been no secret that New York Knicks superstar Carmelo Anthony has asked for a second scoring option as the team prepares for the offseason.

Could that scorer come in the form of Sacramento Kings guard Tyreke Evans?

Evans is a player that has been on the Knicks radar before as several reports noted that the Knicks had a deal in place for him this past season but didn’t pull the trigger due to not wanting to disrupt chemistry.

Being that the Knicks will have little options in terms of improving via free agency and very little resources to do so via trade, a player like Evans may be the Knicks best chance to improve when it comes to scoring.

Evans at 23 is younger than anyone on the Knicks roster not named Iman Shumpert and has a ton of talent. He averaged 15.2 points a season ago and boasts a career scoring average of 17.5 points to go along with 4.8 points and 4.8 rebounds.

Despite his production, Evans seems to have fallen out of favor in Sacramento, which could make a deal a possibility.

He is a guy who can play either guard position but his quickness, ball handling ability and ability to finishing at the rim would represent an upgrade over current point guard Raymond Felton.

However acquiring Evans wouldn’t be easy.

The Knicks are not permitted to do a sign-and-trade for a free agent this season to go after point guard Chris Paul or any other player because they are over the luxury-tax threshold. That leaves the only option for Knicks general manager Glen Grunwald is to make a regular trade. While center Tyson Chandler, Felton, Shumpert and Steve Novak are his best trade chips, there are other options.

The Kings can offer Evans a qualifying offer worth $6,927,157 which means some combination of Novak, Felton, Marcus Camby and Ronnie Brewer’s trade exception could be enough to entice the Kings to move Evans, a player they seem anxious to get rid of.

To improve this team at all, Grunwald is going to have to get very creative.

With the lack of resources they have, they likely won’t be able to target a player much better than Evans.

Now we will see exactly how creative Grunwald can get and if Anthony will ultimately get his wish.

I dont buy this at all who could we have possibly traded for Evans. Novak is a garbage contract no way in hell we can trade him, Felton? okay maybe ,Marcus Camby? I just dont see why the Kings would trade for are garbage they would do better getting back nothing

None of it makes any sense. Besides the fact that that's a garbage trade of Sacramento, Tyreke Evans is a free agent. If they're that desperate to get rid of him they don't have to do anything.

Are you sure he's a FA, that would make this article completely bogus, which i doubt

The article states he's a free agent.

The Kings can offer Evans a qualifying offer worth $6,927,157 which means some combination of Novak, Felton, Marcus Camby and Ronnie Brewer’s trade exception could be enough to entice the Kings to move Evans, a player they seem anxious to get rid of.

Qualifying offers are only for rookies coming off there rookie contracts and makes them restricted free agents instead of unrestricted free agents. Either way, he's still a free agent. And a qualifying offer is complete optional for a team, they're under no obligation to offer it.

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6/24/2013  8:44 AM
VCoug wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
VCoug wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:It’s been no secret that New York Knicks superstar Carmelo Anthony has asked for a second scoring option as the team prepares for the offseason.

Could that scorer come in the form of Sacramento Kings guard Tyreke Evans?

Evans is a player that has been on the Knicks radar before as several reports noted that the Knicks had a deal in place for him this past season but didn’t pull the trigger due to not wanting to disrupt chemistry.

Being that the Knicks will have little options in terms of improving via free agency and very little resources to do so via trade, a player like Evans may be the Knicks best chance to improve when it comes to scoring.

Evans at 23 is younger than anyone on the Knicks roster not named Iman Shumpert and has a ton of talent. He averaged 15.2 points a season ago and boasts a career scoring average of 17.5 points to go along with 4.8 points and 4.8 rebounds.

Despite his production, Evans seems to have fallen out of favor in Sacramento, which could make a deal a possibility.

He is a guy who can play either guard position but his quickness, ball handling ability and ability to finishing at the rim would represent an upgrade over current point guard Raymond Felton.

However acquiring Evans wouldn’t be easy.

The Knicks are not permitted to do a sign-and-trade for a free agent this season to go after point guard Chris Paul or any other player because they are over the luxury-tax threshold. That leaves the only option for Knicks general manager Glen Grunwald is to make a regular trade. While center Tyson Chandler, Felton, Shumpert and Steve Novak are his best trade chips, there are other options.

The Kings can offer Evans a qualifying offer worth $6,927,157 which means some combination of Novak, Felton, Marcus Camby and Ronnie Brewer’s trade exception could be enough to entice the Kings to move Evans, a player they seem anxious to get rid of.

To improve this team at all, Grunwald is going to have to get very creative.

With the lack of resources they have, they likely won’t be able to target a player much better than Evans.

Now we will see exactly how creative Grunwald can get and if Anthony will ultimately get his wish.

I dont buy this at all who could we have possibly traded for Evans. Novak is a garbage contract no way in hell we can trade him, Felton? okay maybe ,Marcus Camby? I just dont see why the Kings would trade for are garbage they would do better getting back nothing

None of it makes any sense. Besides the fact that that's a garbage trade of Sacramento, Tyreke Evans is a free agent. If they're that desperate to get rid of him they don't have to do anything.

Are you sure he's a FA, that would make this article completely bogus, which i doubt

The article states he's a free agent.

The Kings can offer Evans a qualifying offer worth $6,927,157 which means some combination of Novak, Felton, Marcus Camby and Ronnie Brewer’s trade exception could be enough to entice the Kings to move Evans, a player they seem anxious to get rid of.

Qualifying offers are only for rookies coming off there rookie contracts and makes them restricted free agents instead of unrestricted free agents. Either way, he's still a free agent. And a qualifying offer is complete optional for a team, they're under no obligation to offer it.


That sounds like there's no way they would re-sign him, but it would be better to do a S&T, but then again, I thought we couldn't do a S&T this yr ?
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6/24/2013  8:55 AM
this would be a colossally stupid acquisition.... there's a reason why players get moved.
knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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6/24/2013  8:58 AM
dk7th wrote:this would be a colossally stupid acquisition.... there's a reason why players get moved.

Why? Lets start with Novak and LIN

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6/24/2013  9:01 AM
knicks1248 wrote:
dk7th wrote:this would be a colossally stupid acquisition.... there's a reason why players get moved.

Why?


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6/23/2013 9:29 AM

Scored 102 and gave up 110 points per 100 possessions last year!


He looked bad in other advanced stats too and he had a -3.7 +/-.
If we're giving out a max contract, shouldn't we at least get a player who has a positive impact on the court?!
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Bonn1997 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
dk7th wrote:this would be a colossally stupid acquisition.... there's a reason why players get moved.

Why?


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Scored 102 and gave up 110 points per 100 possessions last year!


He looked bad in other advanced stats too and he had a -3.7 +/-.
If we're giving out a max contract, shouldn't we at least get a player who has a positive impact on the court?!

Are you talking about Tyreke or Cuzn?

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knicks1248 wrote:
dk7th wrote:this would be a colossally stupid acquisition.... there's a reason why players get moved.

Why? Lets start with Novak and LIN

lets start with the fact that the effect that the melo trade has had on this team means we are now scraping the barrel to get overpaid and bad players onto the knicks. i don't see how anyone can avoid making this connection. NO to cousins he's a moron and NO to evans he is a tweener. NO to zero-sum and negative-sum players!!!

imagine that this tool carmelo anthony whines about needing another scoring option. the nerve of this clown. he has got to have the lowest BBIQ of any scoring champion in the history of the NBA. when will the knick fanbase get wise? he needs to get in shape, learn how to pass, learn how to dribble, learn how to use pump fakes, develop footwork, learn not to be in love with himself.

carmelo anthony needs help alright....

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knicks1248 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
dk7th wrote:this would be a colossally stupid acquisition.... there's a reason why players get moved.

Why?


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Scored 102 and gave up 110 points per 100 possessions last year!


He looked bad in other advanced stats too and he had a -3.7 +/-.
If we're giving out a max contract, shouldn't we at least get a player who has a positive impact on the court?!

Are you talking about Tyreke or Cuzn?

Cuzn but Tyreke is about as bad

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6/24/2013  9:30 AM
dk7th wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
dk7th wrote:this would be a colossally stupid acquisition.... there's a reason why players get moved.

Why? Lets start with Novak and LIN

lets start with the fact that the effect that the melo trade has had on this team means we are now scraping the barrel to get overpaid and bad players onto the knicks. i don't see how anyone can avoid making this connection. NO to cousins he's a moron and NO to evans he is a tweener. NO to zero-sum and negative-sum players!!!

imagine that this tool carmelo anthony whines about needing another scoring option. the nerve of this clown. he has got to have the lowest BBIQ of any scoring champion in the history of the NBA. when will the knick fanbase get wise? he needs to get in shape, learn how to pass, learn how to dribble, learn how to use pump fakes, develop footwork, learn not to be in love with himself.

carmelo anthony needs help alright....

Melo produces. Amare is busted. Walsh spent two years shedding picks, players and youth so the Knicks would have the cash to sign a guy to a max deal that had uninsurable knees and a timeline for how long he could play. I don't know how anyone can ignore that or keep pointing to the healthy star player that was brought in to be the second star for walsh's plan.

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CrushAlot wrote:
dk7th wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
dk7th wrote:this would be a colossally stupid acquisition.... there's a reason why players get moved.

Why? Lets start with Novak and LIN

lets start with the fact that the effect that the melo trade has had on this team means we are now scraping the barrel to get overpaid and bad players onto the knicks. i don't see how anyone can avoid making this connection. NO to cousins he's a moron and NO to evans he is a tweener. NO to zero-sum and negative-sum players!!!

imagine that this tool carmelo anthony whines about needing another scoring option. the nerve of this clown. he has got to have the lowest BBIQ of any scoring champion in the history of the NBA. when will the knick fanbase get wise? he needs to get in shape, learn how to pass, learn how to dribble, learn how to use pump fakes, develop footwork, learn not to be in love with himself.

carmelo anthony needs help alright....

Melo produces. Amare is busted. Walsh spent two years shedding picks, players and youth so the Knicks would have the cash to sign a guy to a max deal that had uninsurable knees and a timeline for how long he could play. I don't know how anyone can ignore that or keep pointing to the healthy star player that was brought in to be the second star for walsh's plan.

wrong. you don't bring in a second star that is as redundant as melo is relative to stat. all that happens is either one player gets marginalized or displaced or they fail to mesh. there is no upside to acquiring melo, and using stat's injury status is just a convenient deflection of that reality.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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