jrodmc wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Moonangie wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:whats likely to happen, we draft a a solid player (maybe 2 if we can pick up a 2nnd rounder) then package him in trade with either tyson or amare before the 2015 trading deadline.

If Amare and Tyson have solid seasons, then your looking at re-signing them in 2015, especially if we make it to the NBA finals, or even the ECF.

2 guys I'm looking at, K.Love and Rubio..I think either one of them can play well with Melo and Shump ( who are the only locks on the roster)

Re-sign Amare? You must be high. And drunk.

No, but if he'sinjury free and very productive and efficient, the temptation will be there

The fact that you can type while high and drunk, and spin around that fast in your chair at the same time is amazing.

Pop and Duncan have been together longer than most marriages. NYC has not that type of patience. Comparing us to SanTone or OKC models is a bit unrealistic. How many coaches did Ewing play for?

Bonn1997 wrote:Is this the problem or just a symptom of the problem?

great question!!

I'd prefer we start bringing in younger talent period. We need to use the draft and see if we can get some players with a bit more talent and youth. Maybe that's the direction they go in this time. This cap situation makes it really tough to add talent tho.

knicks1248 wrote:

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Moonangie wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:whats likely to happen, we draft a a solid player (maybe 2 if we can pick up a 2nnd rounder) then package him in trade with either tyson or amare before the 2015 trading deadline.

If Amare and Tyson have solid seasons, then your looking at re-signing them in 2015, especially if we make it to the NBA finals, or even the ECF.

2 guys I'm looking at, K.Love and Rubio..I think either one of them can play well with Melo and Shump ( who are the only locks on the roster)

Re-sign Amare? You must be high. And drunk.

No, but if he'sinjury free and very productive and efficient, the temptation will be there

The fact that you can type while high and drunk, and spin around that fast in your chair at the same time is amazing.

Pop and Duncan have been together longer than most marriages. NYC has not that type of patience. Comparing us to SanTone or OKC models is a bit unrealistic. How many coaches did Ewing play for?

rofl best line i heard in years... sad but true...

Your right, in todays era even franchise players are subject to trades and FA, Duncun is the last of a franchise player that hasn't budge since day 1 in the nba.

But It's about to change back into the ERA of franchise players staying put with the new CBA..We need to keep the core together for at least 4 to 5 yrs and build around that, not just build around MELO.

The biggest Need for this franchise right Now is an elite PG or one thats better then Felton. Felton is good, great some nights, but needs to play uptempo to be consistent, He's very avg in a half court set. The only way I see NY upgrading a PG is trading Tyson.

In a league where centers are a luxury (no true centers currently playing in the finals) as oppose to being a priority, Tyson is a expendable. You can win a title with out a Center, you can not win one with out a facilitator..

Man saying we need an "elite PG" is saying a lot. Just how in the world do you propose we add an elite PG? I actually don't think that's realistic nor necessary. We just need a PG with more natural breakdown ability and passing skills than Felton. Being able to play a guy that has more court vision but is also quick and has the handle to get in the lane would make a huge difference. That doesn't mean he has to be elite. Maybe he won't be as athletic as DRose, great a shooter as Curry or have the passing of CP3, but if he's at least good at those things you want in a PG and can play at a level above the lower half of the PG's in the league then that should do it.

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Moonangie wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:whats likely to happen, we draft a a solid player (maybe 2 if we can pick up a 2nnd rounder) then package him in trade with either tyson or amare before the 2015 trading deadline.

If Amare and Tyson have solid seasons, then your looking at re-signing them in 2015, especially if we make it to the NBA finals, or even the ECF.

2 guys I'm looking at, K.Love and Rubio..I think either one of them can play well with Melo and Shump ( who are the only locks on the roster)

Re-sign Amare? You must be high. And drunk.

No, but if he'sinjury free and very productive and efficient, the temptation will be there

The fact that you can type while high and drunk, and spin around that fast in your chair at the same time is amazing.

Pop and Duncan have been together longer than most marriages. NYC has not that type of patience. Comparing us to SanTone or OKC models is a bit unrealistic. How many coaches did Ewing play for?

rofl best line i heard in years... sad but true...

Your right, in todays era even franchise players are subject to trades and FA, Duncun is the last of a franchise player that hasn't budge since day 1 in the nba.

But It's about to change back into the ERA of franchise players staying put with the new CBA..We need to keep the core together for at least 4 to 5 yrs and build around that, not just build around MELO.

The biggest Need for this franchise right Now is an elite PG or one thats better then Felton. Felton is good, great some nights, but needs to play uptempo to be consistent, He's very avg in a half court set. The only way I see NY upgrading a PG is trading Tyson.

In a league where centers are a luxury (no true centers currently playing in the finals) as oppose to being a priority, Tyson is a expendable. You can win a title with out a Center, you can not win one with out a facilitator..

Man saying we need an "elite PG" is saying a lot. Just how in the world do you propose we add an elite PG? I actually don't think that's realistic nor necessary. We just need a PG with more natural breakdown ability and passing skills than Felton. Being able to play a guy that has more court vision but is also quick and has the handle to get in the lane would make a huge difference. That doesn't mean he has to be elite. Maybe he won't be as athletic as DRose, great a shooter as Curry or have the passing of CP3, but if he's at least good at those things you want in a PG and can play at a level above the lower half of the PG's in the league then that should do it.

your going to have to give me an example of a the type of pg your talking about..Curry wasn't elite til this season, lillard and rubio are on they way to becoming elite.

Trying to grab a pg like ward or childs maybe ok in your book, but not mine. feltons #s under MDA were above avg, he was a borderline All star. Under Woodson he's as avg as it gets just like he was under Larry Brown.

Other then melo, anybody would be a trade chip along with a future 1st rounder to get a elite pg, or one with potential to be elite. As long as your going to keep melo your going to need a pg who is on his level or just below..A pg who isn't afraid of ignoring melo on some possesions, and since woodson is fond of playing 2 ball handlers/pgs this is a draft where there's no clear cut elite pgs, but they have a lot off lillards, conleys, guys with plenty of potential

Duncan has been in the league a long time. How many players has he played with? A **** load. There always will be players in and out of the equation. When guys fit, they stay until the knicks find that perfect mix. It could be found in the draft or free agency. It won't be found doing nothing.

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Moonangie wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:whats likely to happen, we draft a a solid player (maybe 2 if we can pick up a 2nnd rounder) then package him in trade with either tyson or amare before the 2015 trading deadline.

If Amare and Tyson have solid seasons, then your looking at re-signing them in 2015, especially if we make it to the NBA finals, or even the ECF.

2 guys I'm looking at, K.Love and Rubio..I think either one of them can play well with Melo and Shump ( who are the only locks on the roster)

Re-sign Amare? You must be high. And drunk.

No, but if he'sinjury free and very productive and efficient, the temptation will be there

The fact that you can type while high and drunk, and spin around that fast in your chair at the same time is amazing.

Pop and Duncan have been together longer than most marriages. NYC has not that type of patience. Comparing us to SanTone or OKC models is a bit unrealistic. How many coaches did Ewing play for?

rofl best line i heard in years... sad but true...

Your right, in todays era even franchise players are subject to trades and FA, Duncun is the last of a franchise player that hasn't budge since day 1 in the nba.

But It's about to change back into the ERA of franchise players staying put with the new CBA..We need to keep the core together for at least 4 to 5 yrs and build around that, not just build around MELO.

The biggest Need for this franchise right Now is an elite PG or one thats better then Felton. Felton is good, great some nights, but needs to play uptempo to be consistent, He's very avg in a half court set. The only way I see NY upgrading a PG is trading Tyson.

In a league where centers are a luxury (no true centers currently playing in the finals) as oppose to being a priority, Tyson is a expendable. You can win a title with out a Center, you can not win one with out a facilitator..

Man saying we need an "elite PG" is saying a lot. Just how in the world do you propose we add an elite PG? I actually don't think that's realistic nor necessary. We just need a PG with more natural breakdown ability and passing skills than Felton. Being able to play a guy that has more court vision but is also quick and has the handle to get in the lane would make a huge difference. That doesn't mean he has to be elite. Maybe he won't be as athletic as DRose, great a shooter as Curry or have the passing of CP3, but if he's at least good at those things you want in a PG and can play at a level above the lower half of the PG's in the league then that should do it.

your going to have to give me an example of a the type of pg your talking about..Curry wasn't elite til this season, lillard and rubio are on they way to becoming elite.

Trying to grab a pg like ward or childs maybe ok in your book, but not mine. feltons #s under MDA were above avg, he was a borderline All star. Under Woodson he's as avg as it gets just like he was under Larry Brown.

Other then melo, anybody would be a trade chip along with a future 1st rounder to get a elite pg, or one with potential to be elite. As long as your going to keep melo your going to need a pg who is on his level or just below..A pg who isn't afraid of ignoring melo on some possesions, and since woodson is fond of playing 2 ball handlers/pgs this is a draft where there's no clear cut elite pgs, but they have a lot off lillards, conleys, guys with plenty of potential

My point was that YOU said add an "elite PG", which means you are talking about a PROVEN PG that has reached the elite level. So my point was that you have to look at what the Knicks can realistically do. No team is gonna give up an Elite PG to the Knicks. I agree the Knicks can find a VERY talented PG prospect in the draft. That was basically the point I was making. They won't be elite coming out of college, but they'll likely be more physically talented than Felton. There are several PG's like that in the range where the Knicks will pick. IF Grunwald wants to get an athletic, speedy and talented PG he can. We'll see if he gets that done.

CrushAlot wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Moonangie wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:whats likely to happen, we draft a a solid player (maybe 2 if we can pick up a 2nnd rounder) then package him in trade with either tyson or amare before the 2015 trading deadline.

If Amare and Tyson have solid seasons, then your looking at re-signing them in 2015, especially if we make it to the NBA finals, or even the ECF.

2 guys I'm looking at, K.Love and Rubio..I think either one of them can play well with Melo and Shump ( who are the only locks on the roster)

Re-sign Amare? You must be high. And drunk.

No, but if he's injury free and very productive and efficient, the temptation will be there

Amare's knee had a timeline and he his injury history has pretty much followed it. The Knicks have been quick to trade young guys they draft and also have moved picks to get cap space and vets. If Amare had been healthy maybe the Knicks big three contracts can play together and they go to the second round or conference finals. Unfortunately he hasn't been healthy and I don't think this pairing will wori out because of Amare's health. That leaves the gm scrambling every offseason to try and fill out the roster with minimum guys that stay for a year and move on or end up getting over paid by the Knicks.

It's not just Amare thats always injured, it's almost every key player the knicks end up with, weather through FA or the DRAFT. Doesn't matter injuries are expected, big money player, role player, prospect, we have had a M.A.S.H unit since melo got here.

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Moonangie wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:whats likely to happen, we draft a a solid player (maybe 2 if we can pick up a 2nnd rounder) then package him in trade with either tyson or amare before the 2015 trading deadline.

If Amare and Tyson have solid seasons, then your looking at re-signing them in 2015, especially if we make it to the NBA finals, or even the ECF.

2 guys I'm looking at, K.Love and Rubio..I think either one of them can play well with Melo and Shump ( who are the only locks on the roster)

Re-sign Amare? You must be high. And drunk.

No, but if he's injury free and very productive and efficient, the temptation will be there

Amare's knee had a timeline and he his injury history has pretty much followed it. The Knicks have been quick to trade young guys they draft and also have moved picks to get cap space and vets. If Amare had been healthy maybe the Knicks big three contracts can play together and they go to the second round or conference finals. Unfortunately he hasn't been healthy and I don't think this pairing will wori out because of Amare's health. That leaves the gm scrambling every offseason to try and fill out the roster with minimum guys that stay for a year and move on or end up getting over paid by the Knicks.

It's not just Amare thats always injured, it's almost every key player the knicks end up with, weather through FA or the DRAFT. Doesn't matter injuries are expected, big money player, role player, prospect, we have had a M.A.S.H unit since melo got here.

EnySpree wrote:

dk7th wrote:

EnySpree wrote:Teams have to find the right mix in order to keep continuity. Melo has been here 3 seasons...amare has been hurt and we've lacked a lot of things as a team. It is the teams duty to figure out what works, not sit on mediocre players hoping they eventually win.

Duncan has been in the league a long time. How many players has he played with? A **** load. There always will be players in and out of the equation. When guys fit, they stay until the knicks find that perfect mix. It could be found in the draft or free agency. It won't be found doing nothing.

you sound like you are equating melo with duncan.

Yes that is what I'm doing.

Melo is our centerpiece. Every move we make should be centered around him.

I don't understand why this is so hard for some Knick fans to come to grips with. MELO isn't going anywhere. He's the franchise right now. We need to spend our time trying to figure out what kind of players to surround him with that will give this team the best chance to succeed.

As for Melo being a black hole and too much ISO. That isn't entirely on him. There is a large part of this that has to do with who we put on the floor with him. If you have guys that can't create their own offense and some who DON'T EVEN WANT TO SHOOT then you will end up having to rely too much on Melo. We all know what is missing. More 2 way talent. We can't have guys who aren't able to score and defend filling up the rest of the roster. There will be young players who can give this team production on both ends. They may not be stars, but you want solid role players who can fill up the box score. Paul George, Nicolas Batum, Wilson Chandler and Kawhi Leonard types. I think there are guys similar to this tho maybe not as talented of course in this draft.

Then we also need to improve the quickness and scoring ability at PG. There will be PG's late in this draft who can help this team. They will have holes in their game, but if they have at least the speed and scoring ability we lack that should help.

Bonn1997 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Is this the problem or just a symptom of the problem?

great question!!

+1

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