NardDogNation wrote:Would you guys endorse Glen Grunwald adopting an old Isiah technique of trading financial flexibility/lesser players for incrementally better players that give us less financial flexibility. For instance, I'd like to trade Steve Novak, James White and filler for Ekpe Udoh and Drew Gooden.

i would not in that listed case. at this point, do what you can till anthony/tyson/amaer expire or opt out. refrain from adding too much sal past that point (none in my view).

holfresh wrote:In my opinion our core is:

Melo
Shump
Chandler
Felton
JR..After resigning?
Copeland..After resigning?
KMart..After resigning?
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Amare..We are just stuck with this dude and he won't retire..
Novak's contract has to be moved even for a second rounder if possible
Camby's contract has to be moved as well..He just won't retire

With Melo and Shump being the only guys who should remain or untouched..Everyone else is movable or those positions could be upgraded..If I were Grunwald, the status quo is not an option...Chandler with his contract can be traded to land a number two scorer behind Melo...We need a big who defends and rebounds for a cheaper number than Chandler...

holfresh wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

holfresh wrote:In my opinion our core is:

Melo
Shump
Chandler
Felton
JR..After resigning?
Copeland..After resigning?
KMart..After resigning?
________________
Amare..We are just stuck with this dude and he won't retire..
Novak's contract has to be moved even for a second rounder if possible
Camby's contract has to be moved as well..He just won't retire

With Melo and Shump being the only guys who should remain or untouched..Everyone else is movable or those positions could be upgraded..If I were Grunwald, the status quo is not an option...Chandler with his contract can be traded to land a number two scorer behind Melo...We need a big who defends and rebounds for a cheaper number than Chandler...

I would include the 24th in that group and hopefully Prigs. I don't know if the Knicks will be able to bring Kenyon back if he wants more money. I do think the Knicks could move Camby's contract.

I'm not so high on Prigs..I thought he was slow for a PG and really didn't add anything much different from Felton..He was a better outside shooter but his lack of aggressiveness hurt at times...I would like to see us add some speed or a change of pace guy like a Brooks in Houston for the price we would have to pay Prigs..

Others we could look at but may not have the money if JR and KMart don't work out:

Blatche
Mayo
Sam Young
Dalembert at the right price if we trade Chandler
Telfair instead of Prigs
Mo Williams at the right price

How about Devin Harris? I can't imagine him making more than $3 million/yr and he'd be a pretty solid bench player to have at both guard positions.

holfresh wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

holfresh wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

holfresh wrote:In my opinion our core is:

Melo
Shump
Chandler
Felton
JR..After resigning?
Copeland..After resigning?
KMart..After resigning?
________________
Amare..We are just stuck with this dude and he won't retire..
Novak's contract has to be moved even for a second rounder if possible
Camby's contract has to be moved as well..He just won't retire

With Melo and Shump being the only guys who should remain or untouched..Everyone else is movable or those positions could be upgraded..If I were Grunwald, the status quo is not an option...Chandler with his contract can be traded to land a number two scorer behind Melo...We need a big who defends and rebounds for a cheaper number than Chandler...

I would include the 24th in that group and hopefully Prigs. I don't know if the Knicks will be able to bring Kenyon back if he wants more money. I do think the Knicks could move Camby's contract.

I'm not so high on Prigs..I thought he was slow for a PG and really didn't add anything much different from Felton..He was a better outside shooter but his lack of aggressiveness hurt at times...I would like to see us add some speed or a change of pace guy like a Brooks in Houston for the price we would have to pay Prigs..

Others we could look at but may not have the money if JR and KMart don't work out:

Blatche
Mayo
Sam Young
Dalembert at the right price if we trade Chandler
Telfair instead of Prigs
Mo Williams at the right price

How about Devin Harris? I can't imagine him making more than $3 million/yr and he'd be a pretty solid bench player to have at both guard positions.

True, good possible pick up..Those ATL boys scare me, they aren't hungry..Most are there for a paycheck...

Definitely. Its why I've never brought up any scenario with us bringing in Josh Smith. He has all the tools to be a solid fit here but is not a smart basketball player and seems more preoccupied on things other than winning. Harris, on the other hand, is a low risk/high reward type situation.

Jmpasq wrote:Blatche will end up in Miami for 3 Million a year. We cant offer more money or minutes we have no shot.Ive wanted OJ Mayo in NY forever if we didnt get him last year when we had a chance to with trades we arent now. All the names I see we have no shot at.

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:Blatche will end up in Miami for 3 Million a year. We cant offer more money or minutes we have no shot.Ive wanted OJ Mayo in NY forever if we didnt get him last year when we had a chance to with trades we arent now. All the names I see we have no shot at.

We are pretty much stuck with the team we have now. We have no assets or money to get any upgrades. Its a playoff team for sure but its probably at best a second round team

Grunwald has been pretty creative in finding ways to make moves and finding talent in obscure places. I don't think the Knicks get Blatche but I also don't think he goes to Miami. My guess is Miami locks up the Birdman and Blatche stays in NJ/BK

Wherever Blatche goes he isn't likely to sign for more than vets min because he wants to make sure the Wizards are stuck paying his salary.

If he signs for more thats the less the Wizards have to pay him.

Jmpasq wrote:Blatche will end up in Miami for 3 Million a year. We cant offer more money or minutes we have no shot.Ive wanted OJ Mayo in NY forever if we didnt get him last year when we had a chance to with trades we arent now. All the names I see we have no shot at.

Maimi would be smart to throw that money at Dalembert..We don't have minuts for Blatche???..Really??..U think Amare is playing a full year??

holfresh wrote:

Nalod wrote:I wonder what the directive was last year from the little Napoleonic owner?

Then you can determine if he did well last year.

My guess is go goal was:

1. finish ahead of the Nets

We have no doubt what Prokhorov's directive was after he took on Joe Johnson's contract...

.....nothing wrong with wanting to finish ahead of the nets. My point is fans want long term real success and not a starphuch. The directive of "win now" vs. building from within. If Grunwald was told to do this, he is not on the hotseat.

Nalod wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Nalod wrote:I wonder what the directive was last year from the little Napoleonic owner?

Then you can determine if he did well last year.

My guess is go goal was:

1. finish ahead of the Nets

We have no doubt what Prokhorov's directive was after he took on Joe Johnson's contract...

.....nothing wrong with wanting to finish ahead of the nets. My point is fans want long term real success and not a starphuch. The directive of "win now" vs. building from within. If Grunwald was told to do this, he is not on the hotseat.

The directive has always been win now...Dudes still get fired..I do think the media plays a role in how quickly Dolan pulls the trigger..My thinking is Grunwald will start getting some media attention if we don't improve...