Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

knickscity wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:It seems like every team in the top 5 isn't happy and wants to trade out. Only problem is they likely won't because no one wants to give fair value in trade. In this draft you are better off having multiple mid to late first round picks then a top 5 pick because either way you are likely getting a role player. Charlotte has been in rough shape each season and this one it doesn't really matter that they were lucky again and landed number 4. I really believe that if we draft right we will land a player at 24 that is as good as some of the top 10 picks. But as far as rebuilding thru the draft, between hoping for a draft that consists of franchise talent, to being lucky enough to win a top pick, to making sure you actually get that pick right, then to do it all again and get that process flawless the next season, it's no wonder there are so many teams still trying to get it right. Who knows when or if Charlotte, Detroit, Sacramento, Phoenix, Orlando, Washington, Milwaukee etc will ever get it right. Glad we aren't rebuilding and stuck in that game of luck.

not sure how what you posted backs up what the title of the thread says..

OKC
Indy
GSW
Houston
Atlanta
Spurs
Miami

All of these teams are/were built through the draft, so how is the draft proving to be a difficult way to build a team..

if anything, trying to buy, starphuch, and free agent your way to winning has proved futile over the years...

I really believe that if we draft right we will land a player at 24 that is as good as some of the top 10 picks. But as far as rebuilding thru the draft, between hoping for a draft that consists of franchise talent, to being lucky enough to win a top pick, to making sure you actually get that pick right, then to do it all again and get that process flawless the next season,

I want you to look at what you wrote.. You see when you can't check homerism at the door, it just makes having a logical discussion impossible..

You said you really believe that if we draft right we will land a player at 24 that is as good as some top 10 picks.. well of course that can happen with any team.. you can get lucky, it has happened, but you will need very good scouting.. when have the knicks ever done that? we don't have a history of that..

then you go on to basically say that teams picking high, have to make sure they get the pick right, if not go through it again.. well lets be fair, if you think the knicks will get it right at 24, then you must assume that the teams picking in the lottery will apply the same logic and get it right, and since they have higher picks, will most likely take the best talent..

what you basically said, and I will sum it up is..

Because we are the knicks, I feel we will get a stud at 24

lottery teams most likely will screw up and draft a dud and have to repeat the process over and over again..

LOL.. really man? really? well maybe not, maybe 7 of lottery teams get it right, maybe they all do.. who knows.. but what we do know are teams are taking a different approach, and teams are getting better, quick... to assume that the sixers, kings, wolves, raptors, cavs,wizards, suns,portland.. all who have done very well in the draft the past few years will just muck this one up, and the knicks will land a stud at 24 is just a bit ridiculous.....

Anthony davis, kidd gilchrist, bradley beal, dion waiters,Thomas Robinson, Damian lillard,harrison barnes, Terrance ross, Andre drummond..

from the looks of it, most of those teams have gotten some fantastic playes.. Lillard, waiters, beal, gilchrist,davis, ross, barnes, all seem to be more than solid picks and I can tell you, 4 to 5 of those guys will be allstars very soon... another draft like that, and those teams will be shooting up the rankings...

YES YOU CAN BUILD THROUGH THE DRAFT.. that with a combination of smart FA signings.. Not starphucs...and you will have a good team.. see the pacers!!

Of all the teams you just mentioned only spurs and heat have won a title, and only spurs have won it centered around their own picks. The rest of the teams are only hopefuls at this point. But thank you for supporting my point with your examples. Okc is the example of when everything in a rebuild goes right in a 3 year period, and even with them their is no guarantee. This draft is an example of why hopeful rebuilding teams will have to fast forward thru yet another year of tanking so they get another try. That is what I was pointing out.

Also know one said we pick a stud at 24 and all lotto teams get it wrong, sorry you interpreted it that way.

All of those player you mentioned could be good, however it's unknown if they can be core players or franchise players to help a championship team. Yes the pacers are good, one of the few examples of a team that is successful in rebuilding, although no guarantee they win it all.

OKC been to the finals, Atlanta has been consistently good, and the other teams are on the rise.. that is the point.. the knicks trying the way they have been has resulted in nothing but heartache and dissappointment...

Are you happy with what happened this year? honestly..

How is the Knicks way heartache and disappointment when the other team you're praising havent even gotten that far?

Denver has yet to get out of the first, as Houston and they made it mainly due to Harden acquisition which was a trade.

The issue is there is no proven way OKC is the exception not the norm, and there is no guarantee they make it back.

Give it up, there's no sense trying to talk sense to someone who thinks
1) Miami and Houston were built through the draft
2) Atlanta is consistently good.
3) The Knicks suck at everything.

Gotta give him kudos though. His badly cherry picked list didn't mention Denver at all.

There may be hope yet.

The next GM is gonna shake that mess up, Denver is not in a good shape right now....even TKF knows it, which is why he didn't mention it.

Denver is exactly what many thought they would be from the start. A good team that is very deep but lacks a go-to player and has way too much money invested in good but not great players.

For a team without a go to scorer, they had remarkably little difficulty scoring in the regular or post-season! Maybe that really wasn't the issue.

It's the altitude in Denver and their balls to wall offense playing at home. It's why they went 38-3 at home, and sucked cack on the road(19-22). Nothing more, nothing less.

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

knickscity wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:It seems like every team in the top 5 isn't happy and wants to trade out. Only problem is they likely won't because no one wants to give fair value in trade. In this draft you are better off having multiple mid to late first round picks then a top 5 pick because either way you are likely getting a role player. Charlotte has been in rough shape each season and this one it doesn't really matter that they were lucky again and landed number 4. I really believe that if we draft right we will land a player at 24 that is as good as some of the top 10 picks. But as far as rebuilding thru the draft, between hoping for a draft that consists of franchise talent, to being lucky enough to win a top pick, to making sure you actually get that pick right, then to do it all again and get that process flawless the next season, it's no wonder there are so many teams still trying to get it right. Who knows when or if Charlotte, Detroit, Sacramento, Phoenix, Orlando, Washington, Milwaukee etc will ever get it right. Glad we aren't rebuilding and stuck in that game of luck.

not sure how what you posted backs up what the title of the thread says..

OKC
Indy
GSW
Houston
Atlanta
Spurs
Miami

All of these teams are/were built through the draft, so how is the draft proving to be a difficult way to build a team..

if anything, trying to buy, starphuch, and free agent your way to winning has proved futile over the years...

I really believe that if we draft right we will land a player at 24 that is as good as some of the top 10 picks. But as far as rebuilding thru the draft, between hoping for a draft that consists of franchise talent, to being lucky enough to win a top pick, to making sure you actually get that pick right, then to do it all again and get that process flawless the next season,

I want you to look at what you wrote.. You see when you can't check homerism at the door, it just makes having a logical discussion impossible..

You said you really believe that if we draft right we will land a player at 24 that is as good as some top 10 picks.. well of course that can happen with any team.. you can get lucky, it has happened, but you will need very good scouting.. when have the knicks ever done that? we don't have a history of that..

then you go on to basically say that teams picking high, have to make sure they get the pick right, if not go through it again.. well lets be fair, if you think the knicks will get it right at 24, then you must assume that the teams picking in the lottery will apply the same logic and get it right, and since they have higher picks, will most likely take the best talent..

what you basically said, and I will sum it up is..

Because we are the knicks, I feel we will get a stud at 24

lottery teams most likely will screw up and draft a dud and have to repeat the process over and over again..

LOL.. really man? really? well maybe not, maybe 7 of lottery teams get it right, maybe they all do.. who knows.. but what we do know are teams are taking a different approach, and teams are getting better, quick... to assume that the sixers, kings, wolves, raptors, cavs,wizards, suns,portland.. all who have done very well in the draft the past few years will just muck this one up, and the knicks will land a stud at 24 is just a bit ridiculous.....

Anthony davis, kidd gilchrist, bradley beal, dion waiters,Thomas Robinson, Damian lillard,harrison barnes, Terrance ross, Andre drummond..

from the looks of it, most of those teams have gotten some fantastic playes.. Lillard, waiters, beal, gilchrist,davis, ross, barnes, all seem to be more than solid picks and I can tell you, 4 to 5 of those guys will be allstars very soon... another draft like that, and those teams will be shooting up the rankings...

YES YOU CAN BUILD THROUGH THE DRAFT.. that with a combination of smart FA signings.. Not starphucs...and you will have a good team.. see the pacers!!

Of all the teams you just mentioned only spurs and heat have won a title, and only spurs have won it centered around their own picks. The rest of the teams are only hopefuls at this point. But thank you for supporting my point with your examples. Okc is the example of when everything in a rebuild goes right in a 3 year period, and even with them their is no guarantee. This draft is an example of why hopeful rebuilding teams will have to fast forward thru yet another year of tanking so they get another try. That is what I was pointing out.

Also know one said we pick a stud at 24 and all lotto teams get it wrong, sorry you interpreted it that way.

All of those player you mentioned could be good, however it's unknown if they can be core players or franchise players to help a championship team. Yes the pacers are good, one of the few examples of a team that is successful in rebuilding, although no guarantee they win it all.

OKC been to the finals, Atlanta has been consistently good, and the other teams are on the rise.. that is the point.. the knicks trying the way they have been has resulted in nothing but heartache and dissappointment...

Are you happy with what happened this year? honestly..

How is the Knicks way heartache and disappointment when the other team you're praising havent even gotten that far?

Denver has yet to get out of the first, as Houston and they made it mainly due to Harden acquisition which was a trade.

The issue is there is no proven way OKC is the exception not the norm, and there is no guarantee they make it back.

Give it up, there's no sense trying to talk sense to someone who thinks
1) Miami and Houston were built through the draft
2) Atlanta is consistently good.
3) The Knicks suck at everything.

Gotta give him kudos though. His badly cherry picked list didn't mention Denver at all.

There may be hope yet.

The next GM is gonna shake that mess up, Denver is not in a good shape right now....even TKF knows it, which is why he didn't mention it.

Denver is exactly what many thought they would be from the start. A good team that is very deep but lacks a go-to player and has way too much money invested in good but not great players.

For a team without a go to scorer, they had remarkably little difficulty scoring in the regular or post-season! Maybe that really wasn't the issue.

It's the altitude in Denver and their balls to wall offense playing at home. It's why they went 38-3 at home, and sucked cack on the road(19-22). Nothing more, nothing less.

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

knickscity wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:It seems like every team in the top 5 isn't happy and wants to trade out. Only problem is they likely won't because no one wants to give fair value in trade. In this draft you are better off having multiple mid to late first round picks then a top 5 pick because either way you are likely getting a role player. Charlotte has been in rough shape each season and this one it doesn't really matter that they were lucky again and landed number 4. I really believe that if we draft right we will land a player at 24 that is as good as some of the top 10 picks. But as far as rebuilding thru the draft, between hoping for a draft that consists of franchise talent, to being lucky enough to win a top pick, to making sure you actually get that pick right, then to do it all again and get that process flawless the next season, it's no wonder there are so many teams still trying to get it right. Who knows when or if Charlotte, Detroit, Sacramento, Phoenix, Orlando, Washington, Milwaukee etc will ever get it right. Glad we aren't rebuilding and stuck in that game of luck.

not sure how what you posted backs up what the title of the thread says..

OKC
Indy
GSW
Houston
Atlanta
Spurs
Miami

All of these teams are/were built through the draft, so how is the draft proving to be a difficult way to build a team..

if anything, trying to buy, starphuch, and free agent your way to winning has proved futile over the years...

I really believe that if we draft right we will land a player at 24 that is as good as some of the top 10 picks. But as far as rebuilding thru the draft, between hoping for a draft that consists of franchise talent, to being lucky enough to win a top pick, to making sure you actually get that pick right, then to do it all again and get that process flawless the next season,

I want you to look at what you wrote.. You see when you can't check homerism at the door, it just makes having a logical discussion impossible..

You said you really believe that if we draft right we will land a player at 24 that is as good as some top 10 picks.. well of course that can happen with any team.. you can get lucky, it has happened, but you will need very good scouting.. when have the knicks ever done that? we don't have a history of that..

then you go on to basically say that teams picking high, have to make sure they get the pick right, if not go through it again.. well lets be fair, if you think the knicks will get it right at 24, then you must assume that the teams picking in the lottery will apply the same logic and get it right, and since they have higher picks, will most likely take the best talent..

what you basically said, and I will sum it up is..

Because we are the knicks, I feel we will get a stud at 24

lottery teams most likely will screw up and draft a dud and have to repeat the process over and over again..

LOL.. really man? really? well maybe not, maybe 7 of lottery teams get it right, maybe they all do.. who knows.. but what we do know are teams are taking a different approach, and teams are getting better, quick... to assume that the sixers, kings, wolves, raptors, cavs,wizards, suns,portland.. all who have done very well in the draft the past few years will just muck this one up, and the knicks will land a stud at 24 is just a bit ridiculous.....

Anthony davis, kidd gilchrist, bradley beal, dion waiters,Thomas Robinson, Damian lillard,harrison barnes, Terrance ross, Andre drummond..

from the looks of it, most of those teams have gotten some fantastic playes.. Lillard, waiters, beal, gilchrist,davis, ross, barnes, all seem to be more than solid picks and I can tell you, 4 to 5 of those guys will be allstars very soon... another draft like that, and those teams will be shooting up the rankings...

YES YOU CAN BUILD THROUGH THE DRAFT.. that with a combination of smart FA signings.. Not starphucs...and you will have a good team.. see the pacers!!

Of all the teams you just mentioned only spurs and heat have won a title, and only spurs have won it centered around their own picks. The rest of the teams are only hopefuls at this point. But thank you for supporting my point with your examples. Okc is the example of when everything in a rebuild goes right in a 3 year period, and even with them their is no guarantee. This draft is an example of why hopeful rebuilding teams will have to fast forward thru yet another year of tanking so they get another try. That is what I was pointing out.

Also know one said we pick a stud at 24 and all lotto teams get it wrong, sorry you interpreted it that way.

All of those player you mentioned could be good, however it's unknown if they can be core players or franchise players to help a championship team. Yes the pacers are good, one of the few examples of a team that is successful in rebuilding, although no guarantee they win it all.

OKC been to the finals, Atlanta has been consistently good, and the other teams are on the rise.. that is the point.. the knicks trying the way they have been has resulted in nothing but heartache and dissappointment...

Are you happy with what happened this year? honestly..

How is the Knicks way heartache and disappointment when the other team you're praising havent even gotten that far?

Denver has yet to get out of the first, as Houston and they made it mainly due to Harden acquisition which was a trade.

The issue is there is no proven way OKC is the exception not the norm, and there is no guarantee they make it back.

Give it up, there's no sense trying to talk sense to someone who thinks
1) Miami and Houston were built through the draft
2) Atlanta is consistently good.
3) The Knicks suck at everything.

Gotta give him kudos though. His badly cherry picked list didn't mention Denver at all.

There may be hope yet.

The next GM is gonna shake that mess up, Denver is not in a good shape right now....even TKF knows it, which is why he didn't mention it.

Denver is exactly what many thought they would be from the start. A good team that is very deep but lacks a go-to player and has way too much money invested in good but not great players.

For a team without a go to scorer, they had remarkably little difficulty scoring in the regular or post-season! Maybe that really wasn't the issue.

It's the altitude in Denver and their balls to wall offense playing at home. It's why they went 38-3 at home, and sucked cack on the road(19-22). Nothing more, nothing less.

Nothing you posted indicates that their critical problem was lacking a "go to scorer."

Getting upset by GS showed you why they lacked a go-to scorer. Curry was the difference between the two teams. Their offense is good enough to score points, but you need a guy that can take over. Funny thing is, had Melo not forced his way here and been willing to go anywhere, he would have likely gone to GS in a deal including Curry. It was rumored that he was made available for Melo. Anyways, this series between Denver and GS was a prime example of what a go-to guy does for you in the playoffs and what happens to teams that lack one.

knickscity wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:It seems like every team in the top 5 isn't happy and wants to trade out. Only problem is they likely won't because no one wants to give fair value in trade. In this draft you are better off having multiple mid to late first round picks then a top 5 pick because either way you are likely getting a role player. Charlotte has been in rough shape each season and this one it doesn't really matter that they were lucky again and landed number 4. I really believe that if we draft right we will land a player at 24 that is as good as some of the top 10 picks. But as far as rebuilding thru the draft, between hoping for a draft that consists of franchise talent, to being lucky enough to win a top pick, to making sure you actually get that pick right, then to do it all again and get that process flawless the next season, it's no wonder there are so many teams still trying to get it right. Who knows when or if Charlotte, Detroit, Sacramento, Phoenix, Orlando, Washington, Milwaukee etc will ever get it right. Glad we aren't rebuilding and stuck in that game of luck.

not sure how what you posted backs up what the title of the thread says..

OKC
Indy
GSW
Houston
Atlanta
Spurs
Miami

All of these teams are/were built through the draft, so how is the draft proving to be a difficult way to build a team..

if anything, trying to buy, starphuch, and free agent your way to winning has proved futile over the years...

I really believe that if we draft right we will land a player at 24 that is as good as some of the top 10 picks. But as far as rebuilding thru the draft, between hoping for a draft that consists of franchise talent, to being lucky enough to win a top pick, to making sure you actually get that pick right, then to do it all again and get that process flawless the next season,

I want you to look at what you wrote.. You see when you can't check homerism at the door, it just makes having a logical discussion impossible..

You said you really believe that if we draft right we will land a player at 24 that is as good as some top 10 picks.. well of course that can happen with any team.. you can get lucky, it has happened, but you will need very good scouting.. when have the knicks ever done that? we don't have a history of that..

then you go on to basically say that teams picking high, have to make sure they get the pick right, if not go through it again.. well lets be fair, if you think the knicks will get it right at 24, then you must assume that the teams picking in the lottery will apply the same logic and get it right, and since they have higher picks, will most likely take the best talent..

what you basically said, and I will sum it up is..

Because we are the knicks, I feel we will get a stud at 24

lottery teams most likely will screw up and draft a dud and have to repeat the process over and over again..

LOL.. really man? really? well maybe not, maybe 7 of lottery teams get it right, maybe they all do.. who knows.. but what we do know are teams are taking a different approach, and teams are getting better, quick... to assume that the sixers, kings, wolves, raptors, cavs,wizards, suns,portland.. all who have done very well in the draft the past few years will just muck this one up, and the knicks will land a stud at 24 is just a bit ridiculous.....

Anthony davis, kidd gilchrist, bradley beal, dion waiters,Thomas Robinson, Damian lillard,harrison barnes, Terrance ross, Andre drummond..

from the looks of it, most of those teams have gotten some fantastic playes.. Lillard, waiters, beal, gilchrist,davis, ross, barnes, all seem to be more than solid picks and I can tell you, 4 to 5 of those guys will be allstars very soon... another draft like that, and those teams will be shooting up the rankings...

YES YOU CAN BUILD THROUGH THE DRAFT.. that with a combination of smart FA signings.. Not starphucs...and you will have a good team.. see the pacers!!

Of all the teams you just mentioned only spurs and heat have won a title, and only spurs have won it centered around their own picks. The rest of the teams are only hopefuls at this point. But thank you for supporting my point with your examples. Okc is the example of when everything in a rebuild goes right in a 3 year period, and even with them their is no guarantee. This draft is an example of why hopeful rebuilding teams will have to fast forward thru yet another year of tanking so they get another try. That is what I was pointing out.

Also know one said we pick a stud at 24 and all lotto teams get it wrong, sorry you interpreted it that way.

All of those player you mentioned could be good, however it's unknown if they can be core players or franchise players to help a championship team. Yes the pacers are good, one of the few examples of a team that is successful in rebuilding, although no guarantee they win it all.

OKC been to the finals, Atlanta has been consistently good, and the other teams are on the rise.. that is the point.. the knicks trying the way they have been has resulted in nothing but heartache and dissappointment...

Are you happy with what happened this year? honestly..

How is the Knicks way heartache and disappointment when the other team you're praising havent even gotten that far?

Denver has yet to get out of the first, as Houston and they made it mainly due to Harden acquisition which was a trade.

The issue is there is no proven way OKC is the exception not the norm, and there is no guarantee they make it back.

Give it up, there's no sense trying to talk sense to someone who thinks
1) Miami and Houston were built through the draft
2) Atlanta is consistently good.
3) The Knicks suck at everything.

Gotta give him kudos though. His badly cherry picked list didn't mention Denver at all.

There may be hope yet.

The next GM is gonna shake that mess up, Denver is not in a good shape right now....even TKF knows it, which is why he didn't mention it.

LOL shake that mess up, Denver is in great shape, if there is any mess that needs shaking up, it is this dump in NY... anyway, why are you speaking for me, what are you my agent?

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:It seems like every team in the top 5 isn't happy and wants to trade out. Only problem is they likely won't because no one wants to give fair value in trade. In this draft you are better off having multiple mid to late first round picks then a top 5 pick because either way you are likely getting a role player. Charlotte has been in rough shape each season and this one it doesn't really matter that they were lucky again and landed number 4. I really believe that if we draft right we will land a player at 24 that is as good as some of the top 10 picks. But as far as rebuilding thru the draft, between hoping for a draft that consists of franchise talent, to being lucky enough to win a top pick, to making sure you actually get that pick right, then to do it all again and get that process flawless the next season, it's no wonder there are so many teams still trying to get it right. Who knows when or if Charlotte, Detroit, Sacramento, Phoenix, Orlando, Washington, Milwaukee etc will ever get it right. Glad we aren't rebuilding and stuck in that game of luck.

not sure how what you posted backs up what the title of the thread says..

OKC
Indy
GSW
Houston
Atlanta
Spurs
Miami

All of these teams are/were built through the draft, so how is the draft proving to be a difficult way to build a team..

if anything, trying to buy, starphuch, and free agent your way to winning has proved futile over the years...

I really believe that if we draft right we will land a player at 24 that is as good as some of the top 10 picks. But as far as rebuilding thru the draft, between hoping for a draft that consists of franchise talent, to being lucky enough to win a top pick, to making sure you actually get that pick right, then to do it all again and get that process flawless the next season,

I want you to look at what you wrote.. You see when you can't check homerism at the door, it just makes having a logical discussion impossible..

You said you really believe that if we draft right we will land a player at 24 that is as good as some top 10 picks.. well of course that can happen with any team.. you can get lucky, it has happened, but you will need very good scouting.. when have the knicks ever done that? we don't have a history of that..

then you go on to basically say that teams picking high, have to make sure they get the pick right, if not go through it again.. well lets be fair, if you think the knicks will get it right at 24, then you must assume that the teams picking in the lottery will apply the same logic and get it right, and since they have higher picks, will most likely take the best talent..

what you basically said, and I will sum it up is..

Because we are the knicks, I feel we will get a stud at 24

lottery teams most likely will screw up and draft a dud and have to repeat the process over and over again..

LOL.. really man? really? well maybe not, maybe 7 of lottery teams get it right, maybe they all do.. who knows.. but what we do know are teams are taking a different approach, and teams are getting better, quick... to assume that the sixers, kings, wolves, raptors, cavs,wizards, suns,portland.. all who have done very well in the draft the past few years will just muck this one up, and the knicks will land a stud at 24 is just a bit ridiculous.....

Anthony davis, kidd gilchrist, bradley beal, dion waiters,Thomas Robinson, Damian lillard,harrison barnes, Terrance ross, Andre drummond..

from the looks of it, most of those teams have gotten some fantastic playes.. Lillard, waiters, beal, gilchrist,davis, ross, barnes, all seem to be more than solid picks and I can tell you, 4 to 5 of those guys will be allstars very soon... another draft like that, and those teams will be shooting up the rankings...

YES YOU CAN BUILD THROUGH THE DRAFT.. that with a combination of smart FA signings.. Not starphucs...and you will have a good team.. see the pacers!!

Of all the teams you just mentioned only spurs and heat have won a title, and only spurs have won it centered around their own picks. The rest of the teams are only hopefuls at this point. But thank you for supporting my point with your examples. Okc is the example of when everything in a rebuild goes right in a 3 year period, and even with them their is no guarantee. This draft is an example of why hopeful rebuilding teams will have to fast forward thru yet another year of tanking so they get another try. That is what I was pointing out.

Also know one said we pick a stud at 24 and all lotto teams get it wrong, sorry you interpreted it that way.

All of those player you mentioned could be good, however it's unknown if they can be core players or franchise players to help a championship team. Yes the pacers are good, one of the few examples of a team that is successful in rebuilding, although no guarantee they win it all.

OKC been to the finals, Atlanta has been consistently good, and the other teams are on the rise.. that is the point.. the knicks trying the way they have been has resulted in nothing but heartache and dissappointment...

Are you happy with what happened this year? honestly..

How is the Knicks way heartache and disappointment when the other team you're praising havent even gotten that far?

Denver has yet to get out of the first, as Houston and they made it mainly due to Harden acquisition which was a trade.

The issue is there is no proven way OKC is the exception not the norm, and there is no guarantee they make it back.

simple, the last 10 years has have been horrible and just when walsh started cleaning this mess up, we go into sabotage mode again.... we have an old team, a lot of uncertainties and 3 bloated salaries.... no youth(except 1 player) very little picks.. yes this is a dissapointment..

Denver, Houston, GS all have bright futures, they are already better than the knicks and their best years are ahead of them, why is this so hard for you to grasp?

BRIGGS wrote:The bottom line +85% of all NBA champions drafted their core players

Im not going to list everyone going back but for example

Pippen Jordan Grant
Isiah Thomas Joe Dumare Bill Laimber
Hakeem
Kobe
Tim Duncan Parker Ginobli
Magic Johnson James Worthy etc
Larry Bird Kevin Mchale Robert Parrish

Go look back--its not even a debate. The draft is the most important process in building your team proven without a doubt

That type of quality is no longer available in the draft. None of those teams you mentioned have been assembled in the past decade. This is a thing of the past. If we were in the 90s I would agree with you, but not today.

Knixkik wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:The bottom line +85% of all NBA champions drafted their core players

Im not going to list everyone going back but for example

Pippen Jordan Grant
Isiah Thomas Joe Dumare Bill Laimber
Hakeem
Kobe
Tim Duncan Parker Ginobli
Magic Johnson James Worthy etc
Larry Bird Kevin Mchale Robert Parrish

Go look back--its not even a debate. The draft is the most important process in building your team proven without a doubt

That type of quality is no longer available in the draft. None of those teams you mentioned have been assembled in the past decade. This is a thing of the past. If we were in the 90s I would agree with you, but not today.

Knixkik wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:The bottom line +85% of all NBA champions drafted their core players

Im not going to list everyone going back but for example

Pippen Jordan Grant
Isiah Thomas Joe Dumare Bill Laimber
Hakeem
Kobe
Tim Duncan Parker Ginobli
Magic Johnson James Worthy etc
Larry Bird Kevin Mchale Robert Parrish

Go look back--its not even a debate. The draft is the most important process in building your team proven without a doubt

That type of quality is no longer available in the draft. None of those teams you mentioned have been assembled in the past decade. This is a thing of the past. If we were in the 90s I would agree with you, but not today.

What decade do you think Lebron and Wade were drafted in?!

They were drafted 10 years ago. So last decade. And to the previous point, Miami only drafted 1/3 of their championship core. You have to go back to the 80s with all of those (basically 3 decades) with the exception of Parker and ginobili who joined the team in the early 2000s.

Not even close Kobe Bynum Paul Pierce Rondo Dirk Nowitski these guys all drafted by their teams the only team that did noit have a core player drafted by the m is the 2004 Pistons 1 of 50 champions. Go back and look.

knickstorrents wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:The bottom line +85% of all NBA champions drafted their core players

Im not going to list everyone going back but for example

Pippen Jordan Grant
Isiah Thomas Joe Dumare Bill Laimber
Hakeem
Kobe
Tim Duncan Parker Ginobli
Magic Johnson James Worthy etc
Larry Bird Kevin Mchale Robert Parrish

Go look back--its not even a debate. The draft is the most important process in building your team proven without a doubt

That type of quality is no longer available in the draft. None of those teams you mentioned have been assembled in the past decade. This is a thing of the past. If we were in the 90s I would agree with you, but not today.

NBA Champs past Decade:
Heat - Wade
Mavericks - Nowitzki
Lakers - Kobe
Spurs - Duncan, Parker, Ginobili
Pistons - the lone exception, but even then Tayshaun Prince was a starter and key component.

So how is Briggs point wrong???

Again you are talking about players drafted in the 90s and only San Antonio has more than one player drafted that consists of its championship core. A team built around wade does not win a title, he has 2 other players who joined him later on. Nowitzki didn't win until he had the right formula of guys such as Kidd chandler and Marion join via trade. Same with boston. Same with the lakers who only have won with Shaq and gasol. So to Briggs point it is accurate to say that 85% of teams who won drafted a core player but not their core players. Typically only 1/3 of their core consists of drafted player. It's the free agent signing and trades that allow them to win a title. Only exception in the past 15 years in San Antonio where their championship core can be attribute completely to building thru the draft. No one else even has half of their core drafted.