It was a pleasure wathching him play in spurts this year.

Finestrg wrote:Nothing but respect to this guy -- GREAT PLAYER, GREAT CAREER.

Nothing but respect to this player. Very smart, always calm and collect, dedication to redevelop his game over the years and become 3rd all time in 3 pointers made. The game will miss him.

As a person...not sure he gets a ton of my respect.

Anyone think this this solidifies Grunny's ability to match whatever Pablo might fetch?

Sheed
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40 is not the new 30

DurzoBlint wrote:

Andrew wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:Good for the Knicks. Insurance picks up the last 2years of his contract, unless I am mistaken.

The question of his contract, cap hit etc have been discussed without a clear understanding of how exactly it all works. Maybe now we find out.

My understanding is if the Knicks want to still pay him, or agree to a buyout, any money paid counts vs the cap. I dont think insurance comes into play here.

I seem to remember when Houston retired that insurance had picked up the remained which allowed New York to start the spending spree all over again

It doesn't matter because Houston still counted against the cap. Probably the only thing that opened up is a roster spot.

Vmart wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

Andrew wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:Good for the Knicks. Insurance picks up the last 2years of his contract, unless I am mistaken.

The question of his contract, cap hit etc have been discussed without a clear understanding of how exactly it all works. Maybe now we find out.

My understanding is if the Knicks want to still pay him, or agree to a buyout, any money paid counts vs the cap. I dont think insurance comes into play here.

I seem to remember when Houston retired that insurance had picked up the remained which allowed New York to start the spending spree all over again

It doesn't matter because Houston still counted against the cap. Probably the only thing that opened up is a roster spot.

The knicks were liable for only 20% of his contract. I don't know if that was because of injury but, they got a major discount when he retired.

According to Coon, the guaranteed money is still due to Kidd even in retirement, unless they agree on a buyout:

“Most retirements before a player’s contract is up come in the form of a buyout. The reason for this is that while a guaranteed contract obligates the team to pay the player, it also requires the player to render his services as a professional basketball player…the compromise arrangement players & teams make is for the team to agree to let the player walk, while the player agrees to take less money. These buyout amounts then count against the team’s cap…For contracts signed under the current CBA the buyout is paid across two times the number of remaining seasons plus one (i.e., a contract with one year left is paid out over three years, and a contract with two years left is paid out over five), and the team can also elect to spread the cap hit out over those same years.”

A little more space.

1- starting SG, to back up PG, to a player/coach that was unable to penetrate, defend a position, and was a liability on both OFF and DEF
He did have great hands for steals, decent rebounding, and when no one was defending him, he tried to push the ball before the defense could get set
In the end, he was unable to hit a shot (while whoever defended Pablo/Tyson, was always cheating on them), was unable to penetrate and/or run a PnR, but he is still a future HOFer

2- improve the team with BALL MOVEMENT, getting players to play TEAM BALL, and sharing his experience/leadership to the TEAM as a whole and guide/mentor Felton/Iman/JR/Melo
In the end, the offense was reverted back to Melo standing in one spot waiting for the ball to be delivered to him as the other 4 players on the court stood still and waiting for Melo to make a move, With JR, he was unable to get to the rim with Hibbert protecting it and the man Hibbert was defending was unable to pull him out or make him pay for cheating, instead JR reverted back to his 1v1, dribble dribble, off the dribble, step back jumper at a 30% or less rate

3- Baby sitting Melo and JR came with job, he was unable to change their poor habits/bad BB IQ, and add to their super hero strengths, in fact they attributed to his bald/shiny head, and Kidd in return influenced JR on being a drunk in the play offs and finding a future woman to beat on
Seriously though was hoping Kidd could have furthered the development of Iman Shumpert and improve his vision, facilitating skills, but with Melo NOT MOVING and standing still to receive the ball, there really isn't much he could do
Felton who is about 29 years old, isn't going to improve much while his development has more or less peaked
In fact, he more likely would be even worse, while he is a SG stuck in a PG's body, while without the speed/quickness needed to defend the PG
In his earlier years, he was able to hide his lack of PG skills with his athleticism/speed/strength but since he is nearing 30, his physical abilities are going to catch up more and more each year as he gets older

His leadership comes at a cost, at 3m per year for 3 years, and not including the taxes, while he is a liability in every other aspect
Considering we could have had Bayless at that price, it was a huge loss just because the ego issues were more important than talent
We now have one less dead weight on our roster and hopefully we can still keep his leadership as an assistant for us while saving a roster spot

With that said, let that dead weight be transferred to Chris Smith

RonRon wrote:Kidd was signed to mentor Lin ,instead, his priorities changed

1- starting SG, to back up PG, to a player/coach that was unable to penetrate, defend a position, and was a liability on both OFF and DEF
He did have great hands for steals, decent rebounding, and when no one was defending him, he tried to push the ball before the defense could get set
In the end, he was unable to hit a shot (while whoever defended Pablo/Tyson, was always cheating on them), was unable to penetrate and/or run a PnR, but he is still a future HOFer

2- improve the team with BALL MOVEMENT, getting players to play TEAM BALL, and sharing his experience/leadership to the TEAM as a whole and guide/mentor Felton/Iman/JR/Melo
In the end, the offense was reverted back to Melo standing in one spot waiting for the ball to be delivered to him as the other 4 players on the court stood still and waiting for Melo to make a move, With JR, he was unable to get to the rim with Hibbert protecting it and the man Hibbert was defending was unable to pull him out or make him pay for cheating, instead JR reverted back to his 1v1, dribble dribble, off the dribble, step back jumper at a 30% or less rate

3- Baby sitting Melo and JR came with job, he was unable to change their poor habits/bad BB IQ, and add to their super hero strengths, in fact they attributed to his bald/shiny head, and Kidd in return influenced JR on being a drunk in the play offs and finding a future woman to beat on
Seriously though was hoping Kidd could have furthered the development of Iman Shumpert and improve his vision, facilitating skills, but with Melo NOT MOVING and standing still to receive the ball, there really isn't much he could do
Felton who is about 29 years old, isn't going to improve much while his development has more or less peaked
In fact, he more likely would be even worse, while he is a SG stuck in a PG's body, while without the speed/quickness needed to defend the PG
In his earlier years, he was able to hide his lack of PG skills with his athleticism/speed/strength but since he is nearing 30, his physical abilities are going to catch up more and more each year as he gets older

His leadership comes at a cost, at 3m per year for 3 years, and not including the taxes, while he is a liability in every other aspect
Considering we could have had Bayless at that price, it was a huge loss just because the ego issues were more important than talent
We now have one less dead weight on our roster and hopefully we can still keep his leadership as an assistant for us while saving a roster spot

With that said, let that dead weight be transferred to Chris Smith

Once again, saying a lot and very little at the same time.