[ IMAGES: Images ON turn off | ACCOUNT: User Status is LOCKED why? ]

Scout's take: Improving Carmelo Anthony
Author Thread
Bonn1997
Posts: 58654
Alba Posts: 2
Joined: 2/2/2004
Member: #581
USA
6/2/2013  8:23 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/2/2013  8:24 PM
knickscity wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
knickscity wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:I honestly like Melo. He is one of the top 5 scorers in the nba. He is tough since he had to play at the 4 all year where he got beat up by centers and he never gets foul calls like lebron and durant get. However i have noticed even back from his days in denver that his overall game falls short of elite. look we know nobody is lebron. lebron is a one of a kind talent like mj or bird. I just wish melo's defense and ability to get others involved was better because if they were he would easily be a MVP.

He isn't one of the top 5 scorers. He's one of the 5 highest scorers.

care to explain the difference?

"Top" means you're great at it - you're at the top of the league. You'll have to score a lot and do so efficiently for that. "High" just means your point totals are high regardless of shot attempts. Unfortunately, many websites post lists of scoring totals - so it's easy for people to think that the high volume is all that matters.

Once you mention efficiency you're talking about shooting.

melo is a top 5 scorer, there should be debat on that.


If all you care about is volume, then yes.
If all you care about is efficiency, he's probably not top 100.
If you care about actually finding a useful way to weight both efficiency and volume, then there can actually be a meaningful discussion.
AUTOADVERT
AnubisADL
Posts: 27382
Alba Posts: 13
Joined: 6/29/2009
Member: #2771
USA
6/2/2013  8:27 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/2/2013  8:27 PM
The Knicks have SportVu cameras installed.
NY Knicks - Retirement home for players and GMs
knickscity
Posts: 24533
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 6/2/2012
Member: #4241
USA
6/2/2013  8:31 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
knickscity wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
knickscity wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:I honestly like Melo. He is one of the top 5 scorers in the nba. He is tough since he had to play at the 4 all year where he got beat up by centers and he never gets foul calls like lebron and durant get. However i have noticed even back from his days in denver that his overall game falls short of elite. look we know nobody is lebron. lebron is a one of a kind talent like mj or bird. I just wish melo's defense and ability to get others involved was better because if they were he would easily be a MVP.

He isn't one of the top 5 scorers. He's one of the 5 highest scorers.

care to explain the difference?

"Top" means you're great at it - you're at the top of the league. You'll have to score a lot and do so efficiently for that. "High" just means your point totals are high regardless of shot attempts. Unfortunately, many websites post lists of scoring totals - so it's easy for people to think that the high volume is all that matters.

Once you mention efficiency you're talking about shooting.

melo is a top 5 scorer, there should be debat on that.


If all you care about is volume, then yes.
If all you care about is efficiency, he's probably not top 100.
If you care about actually finding a useful way to weight both efficiency and volume, then there can actually be a meaningful discussion.

nah, he's one of the top 5 scorers, none of that other stuff matters.
Bonn1997
Posts: 58654
Alba Posts: 2
Joined: 2/2/2004
Member: #581
USA
6/2/2013  8:32 PM
knickscity wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
knickscity wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
knickscity wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:I honestly like Melo. He is one of the top 5 scorers in the nba. He is tough since he had to play at the 4 all year where he got beat up by centers and he never gets foul calls like lebron and durant get. However i have noticed even back from his days in denver that his overall game falls short of elite. look we know nobody is lebron. lebron is a one of a kind talent like mj or bird. I just wish melo's defense and ability to get others involved was better because if they were he would easily be a MVP.

He isn't one of the top 5 scorers. He's one of the 5 highest scorers.

care to explain the difference?

"Top" means you're great at it - you're at the top of the league. You'll have to score a lot and do so efficiently for that. "High" just means your point totals are high regardless of shot attempts. Unfortunately, many websites post lists of scoring totals - so it's easy for people to think that the high volume is all that matters.

Once you mention efficiency you're talking about shooting.

melo is a top 5 scorer, there should be debat on that.


If all you care about is volume, then yes.
If all you care about is efficiency, he's probably not top 100.
If you care about actually finding a useful way to weight both efficiency and volume, then there can actually be a meaningful discussion.

nah, he's one of the top 5 scorers, none of that other stuff matters.

hahaha
Papabear
Posts: 24373
Alba Posts: 2
Joined: 3/31/2007
Member: #1414

6/2/2013  8:41 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
knickscity wrote:
dk7th wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
dk7th wrote:not just you. the scout didn't watch most of the games. the hockey assist angle has validity only so far as melo does it consistently and especially in the playoffs. he didn't.

The scout didnt watch most of the games?

If the scout said Melo was a chucker you'd be co-signing him. You are hilarious.

yeah unless i am mistaken they don't have john q public, an employee of the pacers, sit and watch knick games all season long, be they live or on tape.

why don't you enlighten me if i am mistaken.


How do you know the scout didnt watch most of the games?

He doesnt know. He's just reaching as usual.


Papabear Says

Ha Ha Ha I tell ya those haters just don't give up. But let's remember Melo won the scoring title. Melo brought the team out of the dark ages. Melo had the balls to come to New York the Meca of Basket ball and LeBron didn't . We gave away talent to get under the cap thinking LeBron was coming. How many more of these Threds are there gonna be??

Papabear
dk7th
Posts: 30006
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 5/14/2012
Member: #4228
USA
6/2/2013  8:53 PM
so let's assume the scout watched every single minute of the knicks this season with particular focus on carmelo anthony's crappy passing habits.

i saw what i saw and he was inconsistent at it, with the overall impression of ineffectiveness backed up by two statistics and their relationship to one another:

USAGE WAS AT A CAREER HIGH at 35.6 AND HIS ASSIST RATE NEAR A CAREER LOW at 14.1.

do yourselves a favor and try to understand what these statistics are saying.

when you have the ball in your hands 35.6 percent of the time but an assist is made only 14.1 percent of the time while you are out there it results in a ratio of 2.53:1

durant 1.37:1
lebron 0.82:1
paul george 1.20:1
paul pierce 1.09:1
carmelo 2.53:1

CASE CLOSED

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
3G4G
Posts: 23485
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 9/3/2012
Member: #4333

6/2/2013  9:03 PM
dk7th wrote:not just you. the scout didn't watch most of the games. the hockey assist angle has validity only so far as melo does it consistently and especially in the playoffs. he didn't.

I know Melo lovers weren't talking about Hockey Assists in the Playoffs when winning truly mattered and his shoulder was tore to shreds according to injury reports.

"Hockey Assists"....were popular first 1/4 of the season then they went ghost as Melo started chasin dem pts

AnubisADL
Posts: 27382
Alba Posts: 13
Joined: 6/29/2009
Member: #2771
USA
6/2/2013  9:24 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/2/2013  9:24 PM
dk7th wrote:so let's assume the scout watched every single minute of the knicks this season with particular focus on carmelo anthony's crappy passing habits.

i saw what i saw and he was inconsistent at it, with the overall impression of ineffectiveness backed up by two statistics and their relationship to one another:

USAGE WAS AT A CAREER HIGH at 35.6 AND HIS ASSIST RATE NEAR A CAREER LOW at 14.1.

do yourselves a favor and try to understand what these statistics are saying.

when you have the ball in your hands 35.6 percent of the time but an assist is made only 14.1 percent of the time while you are out there it results in a ratio of 2.53:1

durant 1.37:1
lebron 0.82:1
paul george 1.20:1
paul pierce 1.09:1
carmelo 2.53:1

CASE CLOSED

Melo's "terrible" ball hogging ways were good enough to get 54 wins and the 2nd round of the playoffs.

You sound like a fool. You got called out for pulling stuff out of your ass now you trying to change the topic.

I can theorize that his usage was at an all time high while having career low in assists because his teammates are sub par. You on the otherhand associate his stats with him being a high volume chucker.

Apparently others in the league disagree with you.

NY Knicks - Retirement home for players and GMs
GustavBahler
Posts: 42864
Alba Posts: 15
Joined: 7/12/2010
Member: #3186

6/2/2013  9:49 PM
I've been avoiding all this Melodrama like the plague because I don't believe there are very many honest brokers when it comes to those who can't stand him. That's not to say they haven't been right about some of his flaws. If nothing Melo does will ever be good enough for a segment of this board, then having a rational discussion with them is rather pointless.

Still going to stay out of it but I thought this article does a good job of balancing the pros and cons and maybe it will inspire a more open minded give and take on the subject because in the end if you really are a Knicks fan you want Melo to continue improving as a player. Pointing out or at the very least admitting what he's doing right as the season progresses doesn't negate your opinion about the other things he does wrong. Doesn't have to be one or the other.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/carmelo-anthony-most-polarizing-figure-nba-131800346.html

COMMENTARY | It seems that no matter what anyone says about the New York Knicks these days, the conversation inevitably comes around to their best player, Carmelo Anthony.

And, when the topic involves Anthony, extremes normally abound.

Regardless of whether the opinions come from fans of the Knicks or other NBA teams, the praise and criticism for Anthony proliferate in a way that appears to divide fans like no other player in the league.

The 'Melo Haters Say…

Anthony's detractors make some fair points when mentioning his propensity to look for his own shot over valuing ball movement; his lack of trust in his own teammates; and as his usual unwillingness to become as great a star defensively as he is offensively.

While the Knicks' shots per game slightly decreased, from 81.6 to 81, between the regular season and the postseason this year, Anthony, after attempting a league-leading 22.2 field goals per game during the regular season -- nearly two full shots more than the next closest player (Kobe Bryant, 20.4) -- increased his shots by over 3½ per game, to 25.8 in the playoffs.

That would have been fine had Anthony's field goal percentage not dropped. But, it did, by nearly four percentage points, from a respectable 44.9 percent during the regular season to a subpar 40.6 in the postseason, as the extra 3.6 shots translated to only one-half of a made field goal more in the playoffs (10.5) than in the regular season (10).

The problem isn't in the numbers, however, but rather, in Anthony's shot selection.

As New York's best scorer and shooter -- when he has open looks -- it would behoove the Knicks if Anthony took even more shots than he already does, provided he were always as efficient as he sometimes can be.

Yet, that's often not the case. Too frequently, Anthony, though one of the league's best tough shot makers, settles for missing too many highly contested, forced shots when he should be passing.

And, although Anthony is the reigning NBA scoring champion and a six-time All-Star, and was an All-NBA Second Team selection twice and All-NBA Third Team choice four times, none of those accolades had much to do with his defense.

Critics of his style of play argue that the 29-year-old Anthony can never go from being the star that he's become, to raising his level of play to that of elite status in the NBA.

The 'Melo Proponents Say…

Conversely, there are some substantial arguments in Anthony's favor.

There's no denying that despite his flaws, Anthony still remains one of the league's primary talents on a team that isn't built well enough to fully utilize Anthony's abilities.

He won't admit it, but some of Anthony's inclination to take things upon himself offensively results from the absence of legitimate second and third scoring options to compliment him.

Former star Amar'e Stoudemire was supposed to fill the role as Anthony's chief sidekick, but knee injuries derailed those plans and left the Knicks without a single starter besides Anthony as a reliable and consistent scorer.

That responsibility has fallen to reserve guard J.R. Smith. Even though Smith had a solid year that earned him the NBA's Sixth Man of the Year Award this season, when an erratic sixth man is a team's second-best scorer, it's far from an ideal situation to help a club's first option.

Even the greatest of all-time, Michael Jordan, needed Scottie Pippen, before he could start winning championships. The last group of Knicks to win NBA titles (in the 1970s) had several Hall of Famers. As did the great Boston Celtics teams of the 1960s and 1980s. The Los Angeles Lakers, San Antonio Spurs, and Detroit Pistons all needed multiple great players to win championships. LeBron James had to leave his hometown and become part of a Big Three in Miami to win a title. Anthony's division rival and fellow great scorer, Paul Pierce, got as far as the Eastern Conference finals and the Eastern semifinals just once each, over his first nine years, and was involved in 33-win and 24-win seasons in his seventh and eighth years respectively, before becoming part of his own Big Three title-winning team in Boston.

In fairness, before joining the Knicks, Anthony repeatedly failed to get past the first round of the playoffs himself, even when paired with a similar type of player in Allen Iverson, who along with Anthony, gave the Denver Nuggets the league's top two scorers at the time.

Yet, when coupled with a team player and former NBA champion, with the capabilities to score and facilitate, in Chauncey Billups, Anthony led the Nuggets to their first Western Conference finals appearance in 24 years (in 2009).

It should also be noted that head coach George Karl, who was at odds with Anthony while coaching him, has yet to make it out of the first round of the postseason in the three years that Anthony has been a Knick in the playoffs -- something that can be seen as more of an indictment on the limits of Karl's postseason success, just as much, if not even more than of what Anthony failed to accomplish in Denver.

Mike D'Antoni, who coached Anthony in New York before Woodson did, similarly accomplished less with the Lakers than Anthony's Knicks in this year's regular season and playoffs, even with the likes of Bryant, Steve Nash, Dwight Howard, and Pau Gasol.

Meanwhile, Anthony, in his first full, non-lockout season in New York, led the Knicks to their first division title in 19 years and first playoff series win in 13 years -- two things they wouldn't have come close to achieving without him.

Syracuse also rode Anthony's stellar play to an unexpected national title in the former high school phenom's only year in college.

Decriers of Anthony's low 3.1 career assist average, including 2.6 this season (tying a career low), will call Anthony out as a selfish player. But, Anthony has always been asked to be a scorer first, and while his disparagers complain of the ball stopping when it gets to him, Anthony is doing exactly what Knicks head coach Mike Woodson wants him to do (to Woodson's fault) in an offense that is at times, isolation-heavy by design.

Despite what others say about that, the Knicks somehow managed to share the ball enough to make an NBA-record 891 3-pointers during the regular season, with Smith (155 treys) and forward Steve Novak (149) draining almost as many as Anthony (157). Smith also led the team in 3-point attempts, taking 22 more (436-414) than Anthony.

After a three-game stretch in March that included two wins (one, in a 29-point blowout over Utah), and a close one-point loss to Oklahoma City without Anthony (due to injury), some misguided Knicks fans argued that New York was actually better without Anthony. That is, until the Knicks completed a poor Western swing largely without Anthony, and then reeled off a season-high 13-game win streak, mostly with a healthy, very efficient, and highly productive Anthony leading the way.

What Do You Say?

Until Anthony, who will enter his 11th NBA season next year, can win a title, or at least make multiple trips to the NBA finals, his faultfinders will remain visible in full force.

At the same time, Anthony became the first Knick to have the NBA's top-selling jersey, as he overtook James in that category, in April, providing further proof that Anthony still has plenty of backers.

Sports topics in general, are normally made out to be black and white, when the truth is typically somewhere among several shades of gray.

It's no different with the game of Anthony, whose critics and supporters regularly make valid and impassioned points, without considering the opposite side, more than with any other player in the league.

Chances are, you have a strong opinion either way, about seemingly the most polarizing figure in the NBA.

Jonathan Wagner is a regular Knicks contributor for Yahoo! Sports, a Knicks beat writer for New York Sports Day, and a co-host discussing the Knicks and other sports topics on the New York Sports Geeks internet radio show. Follow Jonathan on Twitter @JonathanJWagner.

dk7th
Posts: 30006
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 5/14/2012
Member: #4228
USA
6/2/2013  9:50 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
dk7th wrote:so let's assume the scout watched every single minute of the knicks this season with particular focus on carmelo anthony's crappy passing habits.

i saw what i saw and he was inconsistent at it, with the overall impression of ineffectiveness backed up by two statistics and their relationship to one another:

USAGE WAS AT A CAREER HIGH at 35.6 AND HIS ASSIST RATE NEAR A CAREER LOW at 14.1.

do yourselves a favor and try to understand what these statistics are saying.

when you have the ball in your hands 35.6 percent of the time but an assist is made only 14.1 percent of the time while you are out there it results in a ratio of 2.53:1

durant 1.37:1
lebron 0.82:1
paul george 1.20:1
paul pierce 1.09:1
carmelo 2.53:1

CASE CLOSED

Melo's "terrible" ball hogging ways were good enough to get 54 wins and the 2nd round of the playoffs.

You sound like a fool. You got called out for pulling stuff out of your ass now you trying to change the topic.

I can theorize that his usage was at an all time high while having career low in assists because his teammates are sub par. You on the otherhand associate his stats with him being a high volume chucker.

Apparently others in the league disagree with you.

i have made the following statements all season long, champ:

1)regular season and 1st round of playoffs mean nothing. we were soundly beaten in the second round.

2)it's not THAT you win it's HOW you win.

3)usage is too high and assist rate too low, resulting in a ratio that is too high

4)it's never, ever melo's fault-- your version is his teammates are subpar... wow

"pulling out of my ass" means i just made some **** up recently. did i? nope

just admit that you can't handle the truth!

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
knickstorrents
Posts: 21121
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 1/23/2010
Member: #3050
Hong Kong
6/2/2013  11:32 PM
The only way we can succeed with Melo on the team is to have a player who Anthony is willing to defer to. There's a recent article where Anthony wants Grunwald to get a second scorer (of course he wasn't successful with Iverson or JR Smith either). To me this speaks volumes of Carmelo's understanding of the game. We lost to the Pacer's because of our lack of rebounding, our over reliance on the 3 pointer, and our poor shot selection. Our issues were rebounding and ball movement, NOT SCORING!!!

He's done relatively well when he has another player with BBIQ be the primary ball handler (Andre Miller, Chauncey Billups). If Carmelo's usage rate continues to be high, expect similar levels of success in the future.

Rose is not the answer.
CrushAlot
Posts: 59764
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/25/2003
Member: #452
USA
6/2/2013  11:33 PM
Knicks won 54 games, got second in the east, went to the second round of the playoffs. All things that haven't happened in a decade and a half. The scout said it best here,
"But Melo is what he is. He's one of the most prolific scorers in the game. If he changes his game to become more of a facilitator, I don't think you get as much out of him."
I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
3G4G
Posts: 23485
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 9/3/2012
Member: #4333

6/3/2013  12:07 AM
CrushAlot wrote:Knicks won 54 games, got second in the east, went to the second round of the playoffs. All things that haven't happened in a decade and a half. The scout said it best here,
"But Melo is what he is. He's one of the most prolific scorers in the game. If he changes his game to become more of a facilitator, I don't think you get as much out of him."

Might not get much out of him but the 2008-2009 Nuggets got much out of their TEAM>player.


END OF STORY!

knickstorrents
Posts: 21121
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 1/23/2010
Member: #3050
Hong Kong
6/3/2013  12:14 AM
3G4G wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Knicks won 54 games, got second in the east, went to the second round of the playoffs. All things that haven't happened in a decade and a half. The scout said it best here,
"But Melo is what he is. He's one of the most prolific scorers in the game. If he changes his game to become more of a facilitator, I don't think you get as much out of him."

Might not get much out of him but the 2008-2009 Nuggets got much out of their TEAM>player.


END OF STORY!

Even after all that Chauncey has done, I still think he's underrated.

Rose is not the answer.
tkf
Posts: 36487
Alba Posts: 6
Joined: 8/13/2001
Member: #87
6/3/2013  11:50 AM
AnubisADL wrote:
dk7th wrote:so let's assume the scout watched every single minute of the knicks this season with particular focus on carmelo anthony's crappy passing habits.

i saw what i saw and he was inconsistent at it, with the overall impression of ineffectiveness backed up by two statistics and their relationship to one another:

USAGE WAS AT A CAREER HIGH at 35.6 AND HIS ASSIST RATE NEAR A CAREER LOW at 14.1.

do yourselves a favor and try to understand what these statistics are saying.

when you have the ball in your hands 35.6 percent of the time but an assist is made only 14.1 percent of the time while you are out there it results in a ratio of 2.53:1

durant 1.37:1
lebron 0.82:1
paul george 1.20:1
paul pierce 1.09:1
carmelo 2.53:1

CASE CLOSED

Melo's "terrible" ball hogging ways were good enough to get 54 wins and the 2nd round of the playoffs.

You sound like a fool. You got called out for pulling stuff out of your ass now you trying to change the topic.

I can theorize that his usage was at an all time high while having career low in assists because his teammates are sub par. You on the otherhand associate his stats with him being a high volume chucker.

Apparently others in the league disagree with you.


FUNNY how it is melo that got the team 54 wins.. but amare, chandler, felton, and everyone else not named melo, responsible for the playoff failure..... go figure...

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
tkf
Posts: 36487
Alba Posts: 6
Joined: 8/13/2001
Member: #87
6/3/2013  11:56 AM
knickstorrents wrote:The only way we can succeed with Melo on the team is to have a player who Anthony is willing to defer to. There's a recent article where Anthony wants Grunwald to get a second scorer (of course he wasn't successful with Iverson or JR Smith either). To me this speaks volumes of Carmelo's understanding of the game. We lost to the Pacer's because of our lack of rebounding, our over reliance on the 3 pointer, and our poor shot selection. Our issues were rebounding and ball movement, NOT SCORING!!!

He's done relatively well when he has another player with BBIQ be the primary ball handler (Andre Miller, Chauncey Billups). If Carmelo's usage rate continues to be high, expect similar levels of success in the future.

the problem is, the player carmelo needs should be getting what carmelo is getting paid... that hurts just as much as amare's awful contract.... carmelo at 20 mil is horrible... what he needs is a legit max player so he can be carried... he has too many flaws in his game to get max money and take the lion share of shots on offense.... carmelo is not being accurately assessed, but management and fans, and over the years the results are what they are...

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
3G4G
Posts: 23485
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 9/3/2012
Member: #4333

6/3/2013  2:42 PM
knickstorrents wrote:
3G4G wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Knicks won 54 games, got second in the east, went to the second round of the playoffs. All things that haven't happened in a decade and a half. The scout said it best here,
"But Melo is what he is. He's one of the most prolific scorers in the game. If he changes his game to become more of a facilitator, I don't think you get as much out of him."

Might not get much out of him but the 2008-2009 Nuggets got much out of their TEAM>player.


END OF STORY!

Even after all that Chauncey has done, I still think he's underrated.

Billups finished 6th in MVP voting that year....Melo didn't finish in the Top 12...matter of fact I think he didn't receive any votes...


We already have proven data Melo needs to play more like a 2nd or 3rd star, stay in his lane and out of the alpha dog one


IT'S A SARAN WRAP FOLKS!!!!

dk7th
Posts: 30006
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 5/14/2012
Member: #4228
USA
6/3/2013  3:16 PM
3G4G wrote:
knickstorrents wrote:
3G4G wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Knicks won 54 games, got second in the east, went to the second round of the playoffs. All things that haven't happened in a decade and a half. The scout said it best here,
"But Melo is what he is. He's one of the most prolific scorers in the game. If he changes his game to become more of a facilitator, I don't think you get as much out of him."

Might not get much out of him but the 2008-2009 Nuggets got much out of their TEAM>player.


END OF STORY!

Even after all that Chauncey has done, I still think he's underrated.

Billups finished 6th in MVP voting that year....Melo didn't finish in the Top 12...matter of fact I think he didn't receive any votes...


We already have proven data Melo needs to play more like a 2nd or 3rd star, stay in his lane and out of the alpha dog one


IT'S A SARAN WRAP FOLKS!!!!

not if you're already a legend in your own mind.

after all...

i have won 1 ncaa title.
i have played on 3 olympic teams.
i have been to the playoffs every year-- 10 times-- since i came into the league.
i have won 1 scoring title.
i have been an all-star 6 times.
i have been a second-team all-nba player 2 times.
i have been a third-team all-nba player 4 times.
i have outsold lebron james in basketball jerseys.
i average 20.5 million dollars a year as a knick.
i average $250,000 per game as a knick.
i average $6,756 per minute as a knick.

look at my numbers!

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
Bonn1997
Posts: 58654
Alba Posts: 2
Joined: 2/2/2004
Member: #581
USA
6/3/2013  4:42 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/3/2013  4:42 PM
3G4G wrote:
knickstorrents wrote:
3G4G wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Knicks won 54 games, got second in the east, went to the second round of the playoffs. All things that haven't happened in a decade and a half. The scout said it best here,
"But Melo is what he is. He's one of the most prolific scorers in the game. If he changes his game to become more of a facilitator, I don't think you get as much out of him."

Might not get much out of him but the 2008-2009 Nuggets got much out of their TEAM>player.


END OF STORY!

Even after all that Chauncey has done, I still think he's underrated.

Billups finished 6th in MVP voting that year....Melo didn't finish in the Top 12...matter of fact I think he didn't receive any votes...


We already have proven data Melo needs to play more like a 2nd or 3rd star, stay in his lane and out of the alpha dog one


IT'S A SARAN WRAP FOLKS!!!!


Wow, I guess even the voters realized that that was Billups' team with Melo playing a secondary (but still important) role. 33 MVP vote points for Chauncey.

Here's a crazy stat: In the post-season that year, Billups averaged 21 points on 12 shots a game.

3G4G
Posts: 23485
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 9/3/2012
Member: #4333

6/3/2013  5:19 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
3G4G wrote:
knickstorrents wrote:
3G4G wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Knicks won 54 games, got second in the east, went to the second round of the playoffs. All things that haven't happened in a decade and a half. The scout said it best here,
"But Melo is what he is. He's one of the most prolific scorers in the game. If he changes his game to become more of a facilitator, I don't think you get as much out of him."

Might not get much out of him but the 2008-2009 Nuggets got much out of their TEAM>player.


END OF STORY!

Even after all that Chauncey has done, I still think he's underrated.

Billups finished 6th in MVP voting that year....Melo didn't finish in the Top 12...matter of fact I think he didn't receive any votes...


We already have proven data Melo needs to play more like a 2nd or 3rd star, stay in his lane and out of the alpha dog one


IT'S A SARAN WRAP FOLKS!!!!


Wow, I guess even the voters realized that that was Billups' team with Melo playing a secondary (but still important) role. 33 MVP vote points for Chauncey.

Here's a crazy stat: In the post-season that year, Billups averaged 21 points on 12 shots a game.

But remember Melo has played with Bums his whole career...


Should I post Iverson's(sure fire HOFer) numbers the prior 2 seasons?


I've posted that info before but here's another doozy in 2004-2005 Camby finished 14th in MVP voting...Melo wasn't on the list then either...lol

Scout's take: Improving Carmelo Anthony

©2001-2025 ultimateknicks.comm All rights reserved. About Us.
This site is not affiliated with the NY Knicks or the National Basketball Association in any way.
You may visit the official NY Knicks web site by clicking here.

All times (GMT-05:00) Eastern Time.

Terms of Use and Privacy Policy