NardDogNation wrote:

3G4G wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

3G4G wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

3G4G wrote:He'll have the refs on his side game 7 it's just a matter if his supporting cast shows up

So "supporting cast(s) show(ing) up" is only a concern with LeBron; never with Carmelo Anthony? lol.

The biggest difference Lebron "has performed well this Playoffs" and has the highest game 7 scoring average in NBA history...Melo "did not show up in the playoffs" and historically performs bad in close out games.....therefore you can't look to blame his supporting cast. Had Melo played like regular season Melo or better yet closer to April Melo then maybe you could look at supporting cast but Lebron has proven he can cover over the many sins on his team, Melo can't and never will.

...and yet LeBron's numbers are down this series in a number of categories (FG%, FT%, RPG, APG and up in his turnovers-per-game and fouls-per-game)in the playoffs. The difference is more noticeable when comparing his regular season numbers and numbers this series. The thing is that even LeBron's lesser performances are superhuman, which is why he is a different strata of star than anyone else in the league. Still, he is not immune to "lesser" play when his supporting cast fails to live up to their responsibilities. That's the point we shouldn't ignore when judging other stars in the league and on our own team.

Lebron's regular season numbers were "OTHER WORLDLY"...odds say he wasn't going to maintain that pace or increase productivity. The stronger observation is that his numbers are clearly better than everyone else or most playoff performers, including his teammates, meanwhile Melo had teammates outperform him in many statistical categories not to mention playoff players in general.

So a body of work he established over the course of 82 games, is somehow unlikely to maintain over the course of 6 games? That reasoning doesn't make sense. And please name me these imaginary teammates that outperformed Melo "in many statistical categories" and the degree to which they outperformed him. I've seen every minute of every game and reviewed the numbers so I have missed something evidently.

His body of work over 82gms much of which consisted of playing trash teams was more than likely to take a dip when you're playing THE BEST(every other night same team) ADVANCING....DUH!!!

He's still close to some of his regular season numbers....

Meanwhile in regards to Cha Boi.....check here for starters...http://espn.go.com/nba/team/stats/_/name/ny/new-york-knicks I see many teammates with better numbers than him

3G4G wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

3G4G wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

3G4G wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

3G4G wrote:He'll have the refs on his side game 7 it's just a matter if his supporting cast shows up

So "supporting cast(s) show(ing) up" is only a concern with LeBron; never with Carmelo Anthony? lol.

The biggest difference Lebron "has performed well this Playoffs" and has the highest game 7 scoring average in NBA history...Melo "did not show up in the playoffs" and historically performs bad in close out games.....therefore you can't look to blame his supporting cast. Had Melo played like regular season Melo or better yet closer to April Melo then maybe you could look at supporting cast but Lebron has proven he can cover over the many sins on his team, Melo can't and never will.

...and yet LeBron's numbers are down this series in a number of categories (FG%, FT%, RPG, APG and up in his turnovers-per-game and fouls-per-game)in the playoffs. The difference is more noticeable when comparing his regular season numbers and numbers this series. The thing is that even LeBron's lesser performances are superhuman, which is why he is a different strata of star than anyone else in the league. Still, he is not immune to "lesser" play when his supporting cast fails to live up to their responsibilities. That's the point we shouldn't ignore when judging other stars in the league and on our own team.

Lebron's regular season numbers were "OTHER WORLDLY"...odds say he wasn't going to maintain that pace or increase productivity. The stronger observation is that his numbers are clearly better than everyone else or most playoff performers, including his teammates, meanwhile Melo had teammates outperform him in many statistical categories not to mention playoff players in general.

So a body of work he established over the course of 82 games, is somehow unlikely to maintain over the course of 6 games? That reasoning doesn't make sense. And please name me these imaginary teammates that outperformed Melo "in many statistical categories" and the degree to which they outperformed him. I've seen every minute of every game and reviewed the numbers so I have missed something evidently.

His body of work over 82gms much of which consisted of playing trash teams was more than likely to take a dip when you're playing THE BEST(every other night same team) ADVANCING....DUH!!!

He's still close to some of his regular season numbers....

Meanwhile in regards to Cha Boi.....check here for starters...http://espn.go.com/nba/team/stats/_/name/ny/new-york-knicks I see many teammates with better numbers than him

Cut the nonsense. The Heat played the Bulls and the Bucks in the first two rounds of the playoffs. The Bucks had the 18th best record of 30 teams and the Bulls were tied for the 10th-12th best record of 30 teams. I wouldn't consider being slightly above average or slightly below average to be the marker for "best" of anything. More importantly, there did not seem to be much of a stat deviation in the regular season for LeBron against "good (non-lottery)" and "bad (lottery)" teams. The only way to settle this is to find LeBron's stat beakdown against these good teams and bad teams, which I don't know how to find, without calculating it by hand. Most players play to their competition and LeBron is such a player. Randomly selecting 4 lottery teams he played against, I noticed numbers that either were on par/below his overall average during the regular season, which would suggest that their is no or little correlation between his performance and the caliber of team he is facing:

NOR: 30ppg, 4.5rpg, 6.5apg in 34:06 mpg
PHO: 22ppg, 9rpg, 2apg in 35:30 mpg
WAS: 24.3ppg, 8rpg, 7.7apg in 36:06mpg
UTH: 31ppg, 6.5rpg, 6.5apg in 40mpg

As for Melo, if you take a generic look at the roster's playoff numbers it'll hide the sharp decline in performance that occurred against Indiana. That drop caused us to lose the series and not Melo, who was the teams leader in points, rebounds, free throw attempts, free throw percentage and nearly the outright best in field goal percentage among consistent rotation players. These are inconvenient truths for you I would imagine.

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

anrst wrote:yea, i do like lebron's comment on it. but if melo said 'tyson's struggling' i wonder how the media here would run with it

The comment wouldn't make sense. Tyson wasn't struggling from the field. He was struggling on defense.

He had a very time holding onto the ball. That might not show up on his shooting percentage but he was struggling.

It's not showing up in turnovers either. Maybe nonexistent or exaggerated and not negatively impacting the team

Probably not but when you complain about not getting enough touches when you are so close to your career playoff avg it's puzzling. For some odd reason maybe because it's easy to game plan against Tyson or just Tyson laziness in finishing plays his attempts drop. Last year it was charge after charge it seems and this year he stop rolling hard. You have no post game and gave up shooting the jumper and then you stop being a consistent roll man which is the only way you get touches besides tip in and you want to complain. Get real.

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

anrst wrote:yea, i do like lebron's comment on it. but if melo said 'tyson's struggling' i wonder how the media here would run with it

The comment wouldn't make sense. Tyson wasn't struggling from the field. He was struggling on defense.

He had a very time holding onto the ball. That might not show up on his shooting percentage but he was struggling.

It's not showing up in turnovers either. Maybe nonexistent or exaggerated and not negatively impacting the team

wo weeks later, it's still difficult to completely quantify the craptitude of Tyson Chandler's performance in the playoffs - so difficult, in fact, that I had to invent the word "craptitude" specially for this occasion.

Ten Knickerbockers played in at least nine of the team's 12 playoff games - Tyson finished 8th in PER, ahead of only the two back-court black holes astronomers have dubbed "J.R. Smith" and "Jason Kidd":

http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2013/5/31/4375984/why-tyson-chandler-matters-knicks

3G4G wrote:
In order to play Indiana Melo had to have help to get past Boston in which their numbers(role players) proved better than his overall volume crap.

Right, so Melo's supporting cast played substantially worse than they did the first series but that had nothing to do with why we lost. Makes sense.

3G4G wrote:3 starters shot better than him overall in the playoffs as did another solid rotation player. Sorry you're trying to henpeck a series I'm talking overall playoff performance. Matter of fact as a Knick overall Melo has been BLEH!!!!

We've already had this discussion before. No one should care about what happened in the first round series because we won that. Its the second round series that we need to be critical of to figure out what went wrong and why we ended up losing. In that series, Melo was NOT the primary culprit for the loss, no matter how you try to manipulate this fact.