CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:I like the idea of Dwight and Lin teaming up, plus Harden, that's a contender immediately,

see what happens when you are patient, make smart moves and preserve your assets at the right time?

Only problem is we never had any real great assets. No young studs on rookie contracts, high draft picks, or cash and exception of any sort. Our assets were good role players and late round picks. Need to compare apples to apples when trying to make these points.

No way. They were good enough assets to get Carmelo + Chauncey, right? You're looking at this in hindsight, which is irrelevant to the decision-making at the time. Gallo was a mid lottery and a strong scorer with unknown potential. Landry Fields had just won rookie of the month and was a tall, long rebounding machine for an SG. Mozgov and Chandler were looking pretty good. Randolph had lots of talent, and we also offered many 1st and 2nd round picks. Felton was putting up 17 and 9 and considered a borderline all-star. Regarding cash, we were able to offer up to $3 mil in trades.

I agree but they didn't want fields,

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:I like the idea of Dwight and Lin teaming up, plus Harden, that's a contender immediately,

see what happens when you are patient, make smart moves and preserve your assets at the right time?

Only problem is we never had any real great assets. No young studs on rookie contracts, high draft picks, or cash and exception of any sort. Our assets were good role players and late round picks. Need to compare apples to apples when trying to make these points.

No way. They were good enough assets to get Carmelo + Chauncey, right? You're looking at this in hindsight, which is irrelevant to the decision-making at the time. Gallo was a mid lottery and a strong scorer with unknown potential. Landry Fields had just won rookie of the month and was a tall, long rebounding machine for an SG. Mozgov and Chandler were looking pretty good. Randolph had lots of talent, and we also offered many 1st and 2nd round picks. Felton was putting up 17 and 9 and considered a borderline all-star. Regarding cash, we were able to offer up to $3 mil in trades.

No one around the league outside of knicks fans ever viewed any of them as future stars. And we got Melo and Billups because they had to accept a deal from us. Had Melo not strongarmed his way here he would be in brooklyn right now, or still in Denver. You are right its all hingsight, but they were good, not great assets then.

CrushAlot wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:I like the idea of Dwight and Lin teaming up, plus Harden, that's a contender immediately,

see what happens when you are patient, make smart moves and preserve your assets at the right time?

Only problem is we never had any real great assets. No young studs on rookie contracts, high draft picks, or cash and exception of any sort. Our assets were good role players and late round picks. Need to compare apples to apples when trying to make these points.

No way. They were good enough assets to get Carmelo + Chauncey, right? You're looking at this in hindsight, which is irrelevant to the decision-making at the time. Gallo was a mid lottery and a strong scorer with unknown potential. Landry Fields had just won rookie of the month and was a tall, long rebounding machine for an SG. Mozgov and Chandler were looking pretty good. Randolph had lots of talent, and we also offered many 1st and 2nd round picks. Felton was putting up 17 and 9 and considered a borderline all-star. Regarding cash, we were able to offer up to $3 mil in trades.

No one around the league outside of knicks fans ever viewed any of them as future stars. And we got Melo and Billups because they had to accept a deal from us. Had Melo not strongarmed his way here he would be in brooklyn right now, or still in Denver. You are right its all hingsight, but they were good, not great assets then.

Yeah it was awhile ago but I believe that the thought around the league was that the Knicks didn't have enough assets left/good enough to make the deal. It was discussed the entire season as was the potential trade to BK.

Yeah up until close to the deadline the Knick were assumed to not have the assets to pull off a deal for a major player like Melo. Melo was most talked about but Denver had no interest in our package of players until they had little choice. I specifically remember talk about the best players we could get in trade were Igoudala, Varejao, or someone of that caliber. But to say our assets could attain a top player without them forcing their way here, is not accurate. We would not have won a sweepstakes for Chris Paul or James Harden with all of their suiters with the assets we had.

You know someone else had the chance to do this if he waited. It's not like the NBA was gonna collapse due to the new CBA, although it may have taken more time than necessary.

AnubisADL wrote:

3G4G wrote:They've pretty much been frontrunners and will more than likely seal the deal. Here's the kick they very well may get Dwight with no S&T's meaning he comes there without gutting the team...

You know someone else had the chance to do this if he waited. It's not like the NBA was gonna collapse due to the new CBA, although it may have taken more time than necessary.

Howard isn't guaranteed to go anywhere. I guess you learned nothing from 2010.

If Howard wants D'Antoni gone then be will be fired.

When Jim Buss said he was 95% confident Dwight would re-sign Dwight fired back and said...."That's very risky to say as nothing is guaranteed"....Lakers have already done other things to displease him as in letting Steve Clifford be hired by the Bobcats...his fav coach from Orlando and SVG doesn't want a return next yr.

smackeddog wrote:I honestly don't see Dwight signing with the Lakers- he hates the coach, its a terrible team, he hates Kobe, and didnt seem to get along with Nash and the pressure from the media is too much for his fragile, fart centred psyche. Rockets are perfect for him.

It'll be interesting to see what the Rockets get for Robinson, mainly to show what a terrible deal Donnie ended up making when he tried to get rid of JJ and Jordan Hill (think it cost us 2 1st rounders and more).

It was 2 first rounder but one was a swap, which worked out in our favor. But Jeffries was an expiring contract and Hill was a Lottery Pick....So in essence at initial face value of trade Walsh gave up 3 near Lottery picks and an expiring for $8mil in cap space....lulz @ that deal.

tkf wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:I like the idea of Dwight and Lin teaming up, plus Harden, that's a contender immediately,

see what happens when you are patient, make smart moves and preserve your assets at the right time?

Only problem is we never had any real great assets. No young studs on rookie contracts, high draft picks, or cash and exception of any sort. Our assets were good role players and late round picks. Need to compare apples to apples when trying to make these points.

No way. They were good enough assets to get Carmelo + Chauncey, right? You're looking at this in hindsight, which is irrelevant to the decision-making at the time. Gallo was a mid lottery and a strong scorer with unknown potential. Landry Fields had just won rookie of the month and was a tall, long rebounding machine for an SG. Mozgov and Chandler were looking pretty good. Randolph had lots of talent, and we also offered many 1st and 2nd round picks. Felton was putting up 17 and 9 and considered a borderline all-star. Regarding cash, we were able to offer up to $3 mil in trades.

and let me add bonn.. Denver was really high on gallo, unlike us, they know how to play their hand... gallo went to that team, was the second leading scorer on a team that won a record 57 games I think for Denver.. so to say they were just " good" assets is not true, they were damn good assets Denver has enjoyed more success in the regular season than they had in their entire existence after this trade... yet we get carmelo win less games than Denver, yet, we got a GREAT asset.. I just don't understand this bizzaro world around here...

Then you have to count in chandler who has been good for denver when healthy, the picks, one they used I think to facilitate getting iggy, they still have a pick coming from us... I love how knick fans continue to down grade what we gave up LOL

Yup we gave up a bunch of superstars. Right now i take Shumpert over Chandler or Gallo and don't think twice about it.

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:I like the idea of Dwight and Lin teaming up, plus Harden, that's a contender immediately,

see what happens when you are patient, make smart moves and preserve your assets at the right time?

Only problem is we never had any real great assets. No young studs on rookie contracts, high draft picks, or cash and exception of any sort. Our assets were good role players and late round picks. Need to compare apples to apples when trying to make these points.

No way. They were good enough assets to get Carmelo + Chauncey, right? You're looking at this in hindsight, which is irrelevant to the decision-making at the time. Gallo was a mid lottery and a strong scorer with unknown potential. Landry Fields had just won rookie of the month and was a tall, long rebounding machine for an SG. Mozgov and Chandler were looking pretty good. Randolph had lots of talent, and we also offered many 1st and 2nd round picks. Felton was putting up 17 and 9 and considered a borderline all-star. Regarding cash, we were able to offer up to $3 mil in trades.

and let me add bonn.. Denver was really high on gallo, unlike us, they know how to play their hand... gallo went to that team, was the second leading scorer on a team that won a record 57 games I think for Denver.. so to say they were just " good" assets is not true, they were damn good assets Denver has enjoyed more success in the regular season than they had in their entire existence after this trade... yet we get carmelo win less games than Denver, yet, we got a GREAT asset.. I just don't understand this bizzaro world around here...

Then you have to count in chandler who has been good for denver when healthy, the picks, one they used I think to facilitate getting iggy, they still have a pick coming from us... I love how knick fans continue to down grade what we gave up LOL

Yup we gave up a bunch of superstars. Right now i take Shumpert over Chandler or Gallo and don't think twice about it.

I think thrice about it and the only thing it comes down to at this point for me is age and salary.

3G4G wrote:Which means Dwight's decision very well could be independent on what they do with coaching in general. What I'm saying is they haven't done things to endear him to stay besides begging....It would match what he said in reservation to Jim Buss's near guarantee....

CP3 is displeased about a different kind of issue, not similar to Dwight's

CP3 if he leaves could end up in Dallas

Regardless we have zero shot at landing either.

Lakers dont need to endear themselves for him to stay. They can pay him an extra year of 20+ million. Money talks. Lakers have cap space in 2014 when Bosh and James can enter free agency as well. No one knows what's going to happen.

tkf wrote:

3G4G wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:I like the idea of Dwight and Lin teaming up, plus Harden, that's a contender immediately,

see what happens when you are patient, make smart moves and preserve your assets at the right time?

Only problem is we never had any real great assets. No young studs on rookie contracts, high draft picks, or cash and exception of any sort. Our assets were good role players and late round picks. Need to compare apples to apples when trying to make these points.

No way. They were good enough assets to get Carmelo + Chauncey, right? You're looking at this in hindsight, which is irrelevant to the decision-making at the time. Gallo was a mid lottery and a strong scorer with unknown potential. Landry Fields had just won rookie of the month and was a tall, long rebounding machine for an SG. Mozgov and Chandler were looking pretty good. Randolph had lots of talent, and we also offered many 1st and 2nd round picks. Felton was putting up 17 and 9 and considered a borderline all-star. Regarding cash, we were able to offer up to $3 mil in trades.

and let me add bonn.. Denver was really high on gallo, unlike us, they know how to play their hand... gallo went to that team, was the second leading scorer on a team that won a record 57 games I think for Denver.. so to say they were just " good" assets is not true, they were damn good assets Denver has enjoyed more success in the regular season than they had in their entire existence after this trade... yet we get carmelo win less games than Denver, yet, we got a GREAT asset.. I just don't understand this bizzaro world around here...

Then you have to count in chandler who has been good for denver when healthy, the picks, one they used I think to facilitate getting iggy, they still have a pick coming from us... I love how knick fans continue to down grade what we gave up LOL

Yup we gave up a bunch of superstars. Right now i take Shumpert over Chandler or Gallo and don't think twice about it.

I think thrice about it and the only thing it comes down to at this point for me is age and salary.

actually since he feels that way, then we should have no problem moving shumpert and a few other role players for Dwight howard.......LOL

HOLD ON MELO HELP IS ON THE WAAAAAAAY!!!

Of course you have to go back to the Melo stuff.

Anyways, no Shumpert can't land you Dwight, and neither could Gallo and co. They only landed Melo because Melo forced his way here. Otherwise he was headed to NJ way back. Denver salvaged a nice package for having no interest in our players most of the year. But the Gallo led package was worth an Igoudala or Varejao, and thats about it. It was supposed to get us a secondary player to Amare, but we lucked out.

3G4G wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

3G4G wrote:Which means Dwight's decision very well could be independent on what they do with coaching in general. What I'm saying is they haven't done things to endear him to stay besides begging....It would match what he said in reservation to Jim Buss's near guarantee....

CP3 is displeased about a different kind of issue, not similar to Dwight's

CP3 if he leaves could end up in Dallas

Regardless we have zero shot at landing either.

Lakers dont need to endear themselves for him to stay. They can pay him an extra year of 20+ million. Money talks. Lakers have cap space in 2014 when Bosh and James can enter free agency as well. No one knows what's going to happen.

Well then he's going to Houston, that settles that. Obviously Dwight isn't about money otherwise he would have taken the orlando extension and then opted to be traded a la Melo

Dude how is he a lock to go to Houston?

What's hilarious is Houston TRADED for the best player on their team. If Harden really wanted to be a Rocket he should have taken the Qualifying Offer and signed with Houston summer 2014.

If Howard wasnt about the money he wouldnt have OPTED-IN to his last year of his contract. Howard would have been a free agent LAST summer if he wasn't about the money. He obviously is. Nice try though.