tj23 wrote:Copeland would fit nicely offensively but man that is a stretch on the other end of the floor. I don't see Woody going with a sub par defensive player who has only 1 year of experience in this league.

I expect him to come back an improved defender and rebounder.

BRIGGS wrote:

franco12 wrote:The Knicks should have tried to have gotten Reggie Evans instead of Camby & possibly Kidd.

Hingsight is 20/20- but that is the kind of workmanlike rebounding machine we need at the 4 to help out Chandler & Melo.

Then, you have Amar'e come off the bench at the 5.

And whoever the Knicks acquire this off season, they better be under 34 years of age! Unless its a new coach!

Reggie Evans sis not a fit here.
You cant play 2 guys who cant score--I know Tyson gets 110 points but its off other players creation. When you move the load on to three players--we have seen the results.

Briggs - Reggie Evans would have been a perfect fit here - and I'll state that we probably would have had him instead of Camby.

We were killed on the boards, especially during the play offs. And we had no one to stop Hibbert. Evans would probably have solved both problems.

Yes, he might have taken minutes away from Chandler, but as it was, Chandler was invisible.

Dare I say we would have gotten by the Pacers if we had Reggie Evans instead of Camby?

franco12 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

franco12 wrote:The Knicks should have tried to have gotten Reggie Evans instead of Camby & possibly Kidd.

Hingsight is 20/20- but that is the kind of workmanlike rebounding machine we need at the 4 to help out Chandler & Melo.

Then, you have Amar'e come off the bench at the 5.

And whoever the Knicks acquire this off season, they better be under 34 years of age! Unless its a new coach!

Reggie Evans sis not a fit here.
You cant play 2 guys who cant score--I know Tyson gets 110 points but its off other players creation. When you move the load on to three players--we have seen the results.

Briggs - Reggie Evans would have been a perfect fit here - and I'll state that we probably would have had him instead of Camby.

We were killed on the boards, especially during the play offs. And we had no one to stop Hibbert. Evans would probably have solved both problems.

Yes, he might have taken minutes away from Chandler, but as it was, Chandler was invisible.

Dare I say we would have gotten by the Pacers if we had Reggie Evans instead of Camby?

Maybe we would? Its hard to win basketball games when two of 5 starters cant score. Realistically if Tyson Chandler was able to do 11-11--we wouldve won. A lot is on Tyson and JR Smith--they both played down. If anything we need more diversity in our offense--more guys who can score. I think we have enough guys who play D or atleast a system that can hold the other team down. But when it came time to put points on the board-we didnt do it.

Knixkik wrote:

tj23 wrote:Copeland would fit nicely offensively but man that is a stretch on the other end of the floor. I don't see Woody going with a sub par defensive player who has only 1 year of experience in this league.

I expect him to come back an improved defender and rebounder.

Hey Oak, start a big man camp!

BRIGGS wrote:

franco12 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

franco12 wrote:The Knicks should have tried to have gotten Reggie Evans instead of Camby & possibly Kidd.

Hingsight is 20/20- but that is the kind of workmanlike rebounding machine we need at the 4 to help out Chandler & Melo.

Then, you have Amar'e come off the bench at the 5.

And whoever the Knicks acquire this off season, they better be under 34 years of age! Unless its a new coach!

Reggie Evans sis not a fit here.
You cant play 2 guys who cant score--I know Tyson gets 110 points but its off other players creation. When you move the load on to three players--we have seen the results.

Briggs - Reggie Evans would have been a perfect fit here - and I'll state that we probably would have had him instead of Camby.

We were killed on the boards, especially during the play offs. And we had no one to stop Hibbert. Evans would probably have solved both problems.

Yes, he might have taken minutes away from Chandler, but as it was, Chandler was invisible.

Dare I say we would have gotten by the Pacers if we had Reggie Evans instead of Camby?

Maybe we would? Its hard to win basketball games when two of 5 starters cant score. Realistically if Tyson Chandler was able to do 11-11--we wouldve won. A lot is on Tyson and JR Smith--they both played down. If anything we need more diversity in our offense--more guys who can score. I think we have enough guys who play D or atleast a system that can hold the other team down. But when it came time to put points on the board-we didnt do it.

Totally agree -- we need scoring!! Melo needs help scoring the ball. Period. Without question adding more scoring punch is a top priority. Having a discussion with a buddy of mine before -- he thinks we shouldn't fool around at 24 in the draft and go big with Jeff Withey. I get that to a degree -- shot-blocking prowess, size, Chandler was God-awful, Indy's whole frontline had their way with us throughout, etc.. I can see the attraction there. But not over Erick Green at 24. We need scoring (and backcourt help -- this kid could fill in at both G positions). Can't rely on JR Smith as Melo's wingman anymore -- even during the regular season, this guy's nothing more than a glorified low-efficiency 40% chucker that has a permanent green light from our coach. Then in the playoffs, well, we all know what happen to JR then...Right in the toilet... And Amar'e can't be counted on anymore because he's always hurt...We need more scoring options in the worst way... Can't win unless you have a few reliable guys (more than 1) that can put points on the board and take over games for stretches at a time...Melo can't do it all... I don't think we have that right now, regardless if JR Smith stays or goes. To me, right now all we have is the 1 reliable scoring threat. JR Smith was atrocious -- his terrible play coupled with his off-the-court behavior at such a critical juncture in our season -- I want him out now. Esp. if we had to add his brother, Chris, who's nowhere near an NBA player---how JR just played, I can't believe they'd even entertain that concession for him any longer. Looking to turn the page on this whole JR Smith sideshow now.

If I'm Grunwald, as the GM of an over-the-cap team, I'd be on the lookout for the most cost-effective players I could find, even if some of them are "unproven" thusfar in the NBA -- which to me means very little. Everyone's gotta start somewhere. Look at David Adams for the NY Yankees. Dude just came up and since day 1 he's played like he belongs, like he's been in the league for 10 years. Adams' call-up harkens Gregg Jeffries' call-up by the Mets back in 1988...The 2 players feel very similar to me....Anyway, I have faith in the young player, even if unproven. As long as the talent's there. If the talent's there (and especially a specific skillset to add to my team's list of needs), I'd be willing to take chances on young/unproven talent, given our cap situation and lack of options to add more proven talent. You guys know the player I've been recommending. They can all play and fill specific needs --- size, scoring, rebounding, enforcing the frontline, fortifying the backcourt, getting younger as a team, etc...I wouldn't overpay a penny if I knew I could get the same thing in bargin-bin. Don't necessarily live my own personal life like this 100%, not sure anyone does, but in the NBA if you're capped out, it's a way of improving that can't be ignored. Just my humble opinion. I hope this is what Glen was talking about when he mentioned unconventional ways to improve the ball club. Let's invite some real talent to summer league -- guys that we already have in mind for the roster and go from there. Question for you all -- everybody like Marcus Thornton from Sacramento? Nice player right? I think so. Imagine Smith out and Thornton in and a SG tandem of Marcus Thornton/Iman Shumpert for next year. I'd sign up for that right now. Well, we can't get Thornton but how about Jermaine Taylor? Not sure there's any difference in skillset/talent level at all between the 2. One got his chance, is logging big minutes and producing. The other got a few quick looks but hasn't gotten his opportunity yet...Look for players like this. The Chris Copelands --- They're out there by the truckload. Better players than Copeland...

ChuckBuck wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

franco12 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

franco12 wrote:The Knicks should have tried to have gotten Reggie Evans instead of Camby & possibly Kidd.

Hingsight is 20/20- but that is the kind of workmanlike rebounding machine we need at the 4 to help out Chandler & Melo.

Then, you have Amar'e come off the bench at the 5.

And whoever the Knicks acquire this off season, they better be under 34 years of age! Unless its a new coach!

Reggie Evans sis not a fit here.
You cant play 2 guys who cant score--I know Tyson gets 110 points but its off other players creation. When you move the load on to three players--we have seen the results.

Briggs - Reggie Evans would have been a perfect fit here - and I'll state that we probably would have had him instead of Camby.

We were killed on the boards, especially during the play offs. And we had no one to stop Hibbert. Evans would probably have solved both problems.

Yes, he might have taken minutes away from Chandler, but as it was, Chandler was invisible.

Dare I say we would have gotten by the Pacers if we had Reggie Evans instead of Camby?

Maybe we would? Its hard to win basketball games when two of 5 starters cant score. Realistically if Tyson Chandler was able to do 11-11--we wouldve won. A lot is on Tyson and JR Smith--they both played down. If anything we need more diversity in our offense--more guys who can score. I think we have enough guys who play D or atleast a system that can hold the other team down. But when it came time to put points on the board-we didnt do it.

Totally agree -- we need scoring!! Melo needs help scoring the ball. Period. Without question adding more scoring punch is a top priority. Having a discussion with a buddy of mine before -- he thinks we shouldn't fool around at 24 in the draft and go big with Jeff Withey. I get that to a degree -- shot-blocking prowess, size, Chandler was God-awful, Indy's whole frontline had their way with us throughout, etc.. I can see the attraction there. But not over Erick Green at 24. We need scoring (and backcourt help -- this kid could fill in at both G positions). Can't rely on JR Smith as Melo's wingman anymore -- even during the regular season, this guy's nothing more than a glorified low-efficiency 40% chucker that has a permanent green light from our coach. Then in the playoffs, well, we all know what happen to JR then...Right in the toilet... And Amar'e can't be counted on anymore because he's always hurt...We need more scoring options in the worst way... Can't win unless you have a few reliable guys (more than 1) that can put points on the board and take over games for stretches at a time...Melo can't do it all... I don't think we have that right now, regardless if JR Smith stays or goes. To me, right now all we have is the 1 reliable scoring threat. JR Smith was atrocious -- his terrible play coupled with his off-the-court behavior at such a critical juncture in our season -- I want him out now. Esp. if we had to add his brother, Chris, who's nowhere near an NBA player---how JR just played, I can't believe they'd even entertain that concession for him any longer. Looking to turn the page on this whole JR Smith sideshow now.

If I'm Grunwald, as the GM of an over-the-cap team, I'd be on the lookout for the most cost-effective players I could find, even if some of them are "unproven" thusfar in the NBA -- which to me means very little. Everyone's gotta start somewhere. Look at David Adams for the NY Yankees. Dude just came up and since day 1 he's played like he belongs, like he's been in the league for 10 years. Adams' call-up harkens Gregg Jeffries' call-up by the Mets back in 1988...The 2 players feel very similar to me....Anyway, I have faith in the young player, even if unproven. As long as the talent's there. If the talent's there (and especially a specific skillset to add to my team's list of needs), I'd be willing to take chances on young/unproven talent, given our cap situation and lack of options to add more proven talent. You guys know the player I've been recommending. They can all play and fill specific needs --- size, scoring, rebounding, enforcing the frontline, fortifying the backcourt, getting younger as a team, etc...I wouldn't overpay a penny if I knew I could get the same thing in bargin-bin. Don't necessarily live my own personal life like this 100%, not sure anyone does, but in the NBA if you're capped out, it's a way of improving that can't be ignored. Just my humble opinion. I hope this is what Glen was talking about when he mentioned unconventional ways to improve the ball club. Let's invite some real talent to summer league -- guys that we already have in mind for the roster and go from there. Question for you all -- everybody like Marcus Thornton for Sacramento? Nice player right? I think so. Imagine Smith out and Thornton in and a SG tandem of Marcus Thornton/Iman Shumpert. I'd sign up for that right now. Well, we can't get Thornton but how about Jermaine Taylor? Not sure there's any difference in talent level. Look for players like this. They're out there by the truckload.

I like the way you think Finestrg!

I have Larkin, Green, and Withey as potential picks at 24 for the Knicks.

Larkin first and foremost if he's still there...gotta improve the team speed in the back court somehow.

If Larkin's gone, and Green's there, gotta pick him. He can flat out score, as well as, play both 1 and 2 guard.

If both are gone, gotta address size deficiency with the best shot blocker in the draft, Jeff Withey.

Agreed Chuck. I'd take Green before Larkin but that's just me..Personal preference. I just couldn't stop thinking Steph Curry when I watched Green -- similar size, the ability to handle both G spots, the monster scoring numbers with high efficiency (not some chucker here), the ability to shoot it that well and also get to the line a ton, etc...Can't go wrong either way I suppose -- Larkin or Green could both help us and strengthen our backcourt tremendously...I like Larkin even more now after that monster 44" vertical -- it basically nullifies the lack of height issue with him.. Dude's a true PG that can drive, dish and hit a high % from deep. I'll take it. Felton/Larkin would be a nice PG duo for next year. No question. My buddy wasn't hearing it but I definitely like Green over Whitey. Gimme Green (or Larkin) at 24, then go out and bring in 7' Marcus Cousin for summer league evaluation. Not the monster shot-blocker this kid Whitey may (or may not) become (although 2 blocks a game for the Houston Cougars his senior year wasn't too shabby---I betcha this kid Cousin would be a better shot-blocker than Tyson Chandler) I guarantee you all right now that kid would turn some heads. I've seen Cousin play a lot the last few years (when he was in the D-league at least) and I'm telling you right now, he's better than Whitey in every area besides shot-blocking. This dude's one of the best kept secrets out there. Such a well-rounded big with a great skill package. This is exactly what I'm talking about --- go for guard help at 24 knowing you can bring a quality big like this in for summer league with a good chance to make the club. Now you just picked up 2 good players at 2 areas of need. I pray this is the mindset of our GM and that he shows this type of execution.

chewy wrote:He is Dwight Howard best friend... he is going where ever Howard goes. That why Dallas trade for him at the deadline.

If they dump Shawn Marion with that 13 pick they could have enough space for Howard and Paul.

Finestrg wrote:

NumberTwoPencil wrote:Morrow might be cheap and I like him (I even watched his 42 point game with the Nets in person) but he is still awful with defense. He makes Novak look like a stopper. I like Morrow cheap more than I like a mid-priced Novak but . . . surely there are some workable shooters in the draft that worth a shot over Morrow.

Reggie Bullock is probably the best shooter in this draft in the 25-45 range. We should have a shot at him if we're interested. Nice well-rounded game for a wing....Another option out there is 6'5" 225 Dwayne Davis out of Southern Miss. Supposedly showed real well at the PIT. Efficient scoring numbers this year -- 49% overall from the floor, 41.3% from 3 (59-143). They're calling this kid "a right-handed James Harden." Looks-wise, he does resemble Harden a great deal..He might be worth a shot if we can work him out, like what we see & find a way to land a deep 2nd round pick. Someone we should definitely invite to SL for a look if he goes undrafted. Same goes for Shane Larkin's backcourt mate at Miami, 6'3" Durand Scott, a quality defender that can score (better, quicker version of Toney Douglas maybe).

Leave no stone unturned!

I've been throwing around Allen Crabbe name around another good shooter plus amazing length.