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5/21/2013  9:16 PM
CrushAlot wrote:I don't know. Cope stepped up and played big but the guy is still a rookie. Melo is the guy you want to take the shot most times on this time. Listen to JVG when Breen starts his anti-Melo shenanigans. The rest of the team for the most part couldn't hit any shots. Nice that Shump had a great game 6 but he was missing shots in games 4 and 5. Felton did pretty well in the series but couldn't hit a shot in game 6. Tyson struggled with put backs, dunks and holding onto the ball. Kidd couldn't even make a lay up. Prigs shot was gone and JR couldn't do anything after his suspension. When the rest of the team shoots 28% going to a guy that is hitting at 50% on that night and is your star has some merit.

Again no problem with Melo taking the big shots down the stretch but there has to be a more creative way to get him the ball then just having him start out at the top of the key.

I'd like to see the other guys running something off the ball when Melo has it: downscreens for shooters, cross screens under the basket, ANYTHING so that

a) other defenders have to focus on defending..not just helping on Melo
b) if Melo does his thing and can't get a good look he has an option other than just forcing a shot up or trying to pass to a teammate standing still and a defender ready to leap into that passing lane

Even when we're running say a pick and roll with Felton and Chandler, there should be someone screening for Melo off the ball so that Felton or Chandler can go to that if the pick and roll doesn't produce an easy look.

There's something to be said for continuity so I don't think we need to fire woody or blow up the team for us to have more varied offensive attack that uses misdirection, movement, etc to make our offense less predictable.

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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5/21/2013  9:44 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/21/2013  9:50 PM
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:I don't know. Cope stepped up and played big but the guy is still a rookie. Melo is the guy you want to take the shot most times on this time. Listen to JVG when Breen starts his anti-Melo shenanigans. The rest of the team for the most part couldn't hit any shots. Nice that Shump had a great game 6 but he was missing shots in games 4 and 5. Felton did pretty well in the series but couldn't hit a shot in game 6. Tyson struggled with put backs, dunks and holding onto the ball. Kidd couldn't even make a lay up. Prigs shot was gone and JR couldn't do anything after his suspension. When the rest of the team shoots 28% going to a guy that is hitting at 50% on that night and is your star has some merit.

Again no problem with Melo taking the big shots down the stretch but there has to be a more creative way to get him the ball then just having him start out at the top of the key.

I'd like to see the other guys running something off the ball when Melo has it: downscreens for shooters, cross screens under the basket, ANYTHING so that

a) other defenders have to focus on defending..not just helping on Melo
b) if Melo does his thing and can't get a good look he has an option other than just forcing a shot up or trying to pass to a teammate standing still and a defender ready to leap into that passing lane

Even when we're running say a pick and roll with Felton and Chandler, there should be someone screening for Melo off the ball so that Felton or Chandler can go to that if the pick and roll doesn't produce an easy look.

There's something to be said for continuity so I don't think we need to fire woody or blow up the team for us to have more varied offensive attack that uses misdirection, movement, etc to make our offense less predictable.


good post +1000000

in other words, coach needs to COACH and execute/call plays, NOT JUST A SPREAD OUT AND WATCH SHOW
Too much freedom for one player
We have to find ways to get role players involved, as they are just as important in any Championship Caliber team, IT IS NEVER just about the "ALl STAR"
The way Melo plays, he does not elevate and make his team mates better but it is also on the coach to continue to allow him to run these plays and not get the best out of his TEAM and ROLE PLAYERS

Like NixLuva says, RUN PLAYS
IF Novak cannot get his own shot off but is one of the leagues top 3point shooters, why not set him double screens with ball and player movement to MAKE the defense choose to either only to be able to defend him 1v1
Instead Woody would rather use Novak as a Decoy with a spread the floor offense as JR/MELO dance away without the ability to get to the rim *ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY ARE AT THE 3pt line with Tyson's man protecting the paint as the help defender and everyone has a solid man to man DEF on Pacer's RARELY doubling
Why does everything always have to be run through the Carmelo and JR show when it has shown to be ineffective?

Woodson puts his team in a position to fail as a team but allows his certain players the opportunity to play HERO BALL with bone headed plays
Problem is Melo/JR shoots 9/10x even if it is a poor shot as long as he can get it off, so after the 9th time, is it Tyson and/or Kmart's fault for not expecting a shot attempt and a pass instead?

I am putting this more on the coach than Melo, even though to some it sounds like I am actually attacking Melo
We were much too predictable with the lineups we utilized and we were very limited by Pacer's defense as Vogel
On DEF Pacer's had George, Lance, West, Hill, Hibbert that could initiate the offense and take anyone 1v1 as they usually shot while they had offensive REB position and anticipated our their misses
We simply could not defend their entire lineup 1v1 but Woodson NEVER ADJUSTED, especially with Hibbert, putting the same 2 defenders on him the entire series

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5/21/2013  11:47 PM
RonRon wrote:
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:I don't know. Cope stepped up and played big but the guy is still a rookie. Melo is the guy you want to take the shot most times on this time. Listen to JVG when Breen starts his anti-Melo shenanigans. The rest of the team for the most part couldn't hit any shots. Nice that Shump had a great game 6 but he was missing shots in games 4 and 5. Felton did pretty well in the series but couldn't hit a shot in game 6. Tyson struggled with put backs, dunks and holding onto the ball. Kidd couldn't even make a lay up. Prigs shot was gone and JR couldn't do anything after his suspension. When the rest of the team shoots 28% going to a guy that is hitting at 50% on that night and is your star has some merit.

Again no problem with Melo taking the big shots down the stretch but there has to be a more creative way to get him the ball then just having him start out at the top of the key.

I'd like to see the other guys running something off the ball when Melo has it: downscreens for shooters, cross screens under the basket, ANYTHING so that

a) other defenders have to focus on defending..not just helping on Melo
b) if Melo does his thing and can't get a good look he has an option other than just forcing a shot up or trying to pass to a teammate standing still and a defender ready to leap into that passing lane

Even when we're running say a pick and roll with Felton and Chandler, there should be someone screening for Melo off the ball so that Felton or Chandler can go to that if the pick and roll doesn't produce an easy look.

There's something to be said for continuity so I don't think we need to fire woody or blow up the team for us to have more varied offensive attack that uses misdirection, movement, etc to make our offense less predictable.


good post +1000000

in other words, coach needs to COACH and execute/call plays, NOT JUST A SPREAD OUT AND WATCH SHOW
Too much freedom for one player
We have to find ways to get role players involved, as they are just as important in any Championship Caliber team, IT IS NEVER just about the "ALl STAR"
The way Melo plays, he does not elevate and make his team mates better but it is also on the coach to continue to allow him to run these plays and not get the best out of his TEAM and ROLE PLAYERS

Like NixLuva says, RUN PLAYS
IF Novak cannot get his own shot off but is one of the leagues top 3point shooters, why not set him double screens with ball and player movement to MAKE the defense choose to either only to be able to defend him 1v1
Instead Woody would rather use Novak as a Decoy with a spread the floor offense as JR/MELO dance away without the ability to get to the rim *ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY ARE AT THE 3pt line with Tyson's man protecting the paint as the help defender and everyone has a solid man to man DEF on Pacer's RARELY doubling
Why does everything always have to be run through the Carmelo and JR show when it has shown to be ineffective?

Woodson puts his team in a position to fail as a team but allows his certain players the opportunity to play HERO BALL with bone headed plays
Problem is Melo/JR shoots 9/10x even if it is a poor shot as long as he can get it off, so after the 9th time, is it Tyson and/or Kmart's fault for not expecting a shot attempt and a pass instead?

I am putting this more on the coach than Melo, even though to some it sounds like I am actually attacking Melo
We were much too predictable with the lineups we utilized and we were very limited by Pacer's defense as Vogel
On DEF Pacer's had George, Lance, West, Hill, Hibbert that could initiate the offense and take anyone 1v1 as they usually shot while they had offensive REB position and anticipated our their misses
We simply could not defend their entire lineup 1v1 but Woodson NEVER ADJUSTED, especially with Hibbert, putting the same 2 defenders on him the entire series

Agreed.

Let Melo and JR do what they do which is shoot. But to ask them to play PG and create for others didn't work this season.

Maybe it'll work next season as players get to know each other better and both JR and Melo improve as passers.

Briggs wrote a post on Chandler needing to expand his game in the offseason and work with Hakeem too. I agree. Maybe some of those possessions where Chandler grabs a rebound he should just go back up instead of always kicking it out.

Basically everyone Felton, Shump, STAT, Melo..down to Cope, Novak and Earl Barron if he comes back needs to dedicate themselves in the offseason to adding a wrinkle in to their game and coming into camp in the best shape ever.

The ? is does a guy like Melo who is already an anointed superstar with his own shoe deal etc, feel the need to work on his defense, passing, watch film, etc to come back as a better player or does he relax during the offseason content with being the already really good player he is? Maybe only an insane hyper competitive almost psychotic guy like Kobe really does that every season.

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
Something Shump said that IMHO was pretty big

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