fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:I used to dog Melo but how anyone could of watched this Pacers series and blame Melo is getting drunk in the club with JR SMith

Jim is absolutely right Melo had basically no help when your 3rd best player in the series is Copeland you have serious problems .I thought Prigs actually played well though

so old man. He never has help. 10 years and no help in the playoffs. This why he shoots 40% right? Because nobody helps him? He doesnt know how to play. The harder he "tries" the more his teammates stand and watch him pound the ball while he has 10-34 shooting performances.

The guy is good player, he's our best player and he's not good enough to build a team around. He's a #2 scorer. Knicks have big problems.

U think Melo might shoot slightly better if he had Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh next to him? Do u think Melo would Shoot better if Shaq in his prime was on the team. What about if he played with Russel Westbrook? U guys see Durant those last 2 games without any help thats what Melo deals with on a nightly basis

you nailed. Melo is garbage without his Olympic teammates. Thanks. After ten year of getting used in the playoffs and shooting like Jamal Crawford I think we can all see your truth. Melo's teams need stars on them, because if he doesnt have star PG to get him the ball, a star SG to pass too and a start post player to create space we can pretty much count on Melo shooting 40% in the playoffs while we lose game after game he puts up 10-34.

Yes... Melo had no help in game six and he played well. His shooting in the other 3 losses: 6-16, 9-24 and 10-28 had NOTHING to do with why game 6 was an elimination game right?

I get the pattern now:

Melo blows in the playoffs and shoots a % in the 30s. Melo has a solid elimination game. Everyone says "see???? Melo has no help."

Got it.

Melo blew in the playoffs, yes. At the same time, he literally had no help.

Both are true. The other guys making $20 mill and $15 mill didn't show up for us this season is why the Knicks are on vacay.

fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:I used to dog Melo but how anyone could of watched this Pacers series and blame Melo is getting drunk in the club with JR SMith

Jim is absolutely right Melo had basically no help when your 3rd best player in the series is Copeland you have serious problems .I thought Prigs actually played well though

so old man. He never has help. 10 years and no help in the playoffs. This why he shoots 40% right? Because nobody helps him? He doesnt know how to play. The harder he "tries" the more his teammates stand and watch him pound the ball while he has 10-34 shooting performances.

The guy is good player, he's our best player and he's not good enough to build a team around. He's a #2 scorer. Knicks have big problems.

U think Melo might shoot slightly better if he had Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh next to him? Do u think Melo would Shoot better if Shaq in his prime was on the team. What about if he played with Russel Westbrook? U guys see Durant those last 2 games without any help thats what Melo deals with on a nightly basis

you nailed. Melo is garbage without his Olympic teammates. Thanks. After ten year of getting used in the playoffs and shooting like Jamal Crawford I think we can all see your truth. Melo's teams need stars on them, because if he doesnt have star PG to get him the ball, a star SG to pass too and a start post player to create space we can pretty much count on Melo shooting 40% in the playoffs while we lose game after game he puts up 10-34.

Yes... Melo had no help in game six and he played well. His shooting in the other 3 losses: 6-16, 9-24 and 10-28 had NOTHING to do with why game 6 was an elimination game right?

I get the pattern now:

Melo blows in the playoffs and shoots a % in the 30s. Melo has a solid elimination game. Everyone says "see???? Melo has no help."

Got it.

So Melo is expected to win as the only star on a team but Lebron can play with Wade and Bosh and thats acceptable

yellowboy90 wrote:it seems everyone is bad without Olympic teammates. so that really not that big of a point.

Jmpasq wrote:

Clean wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

fishmike wrote:Melo performed just as poorly as the rest of his supporting cast. Paul George locked him down and had him taking exactly the kind of shots Indy wanted Melo taking. Forced midrange jumpers and contested drives where he gets pushed right into Indy's shot blockers.
Melo shoots 9-23, 6-16 and 10-28 all losses vs. Pacers.
Melo shoots 8-24 and 10-35 in losses to Boston.

Knicks lost 6 playoff games. 5 of them its 10000% justifiable to dump them right on Melo' shoulders. If your built around a "great MVP caliber scorer" and this is what he gives you come playoff time your gonna fail, as his team do time and time and time and time again in the playoffs.

When we get a REAL scorer. Like a guy who gives you 50% or more in the post and Melo is the #2 guy we can compete for a title. But this has been the same for the 10 years he's been in the league.

Folks can pretend this isnt a problem all they want. The reall killer is the #2 guy in this offense JR is even worse.

I can agree with the fact that Melo needs a post player to work off of. We need an inside presence that can balance out the offense. Too much perimeter play, too much reliance on the 3 ball.

We need an inside out game, and unfortunately that inside was supposed to be Amare.

When amare is healthy he still takes 1 shot to melo's 5. As long as melo controls most of the ball handling duties were screwed. We need a pg like a young nash, magic, stockton..smart pg's that will run a offense and not give the ball to melo annd clear out.

by the time melo makes his move or tries to pass, there isn't much time on the shot clock and his teammates are force to take a wild shot, and when they miss, thats when " the melo has no help" comments coming pouring in..

Why don't ppl say it correctly, Melo has nobody to bail him out

This is what I wanted melo to understand with our last coach. Instead of wanting the ball and have others clear out why not get the ball off of penetration or something. This stop the ability of the defense to double team him and forces him to act quickly with the ball. When melo has to think about what to do his chances of success goes down by the second. The weird thing is he gets it when he plays with team USA which is why he always dominates with them. Maybe it is a situation where he does not respect him team enough to relinquish control.

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Would u?look who he is playing with he probably figures a bad shot early in the shot clock from him is still better then Jason Kidd standing on the 3 point line deciding whether he should shoot the ball for 8 seconds before passing it back with 4 seconds left

Was Melo great? No, but come on Tyson Chandler got destroyed by Roy Hibbert the whole series. Chandler gets 14 million a year shouldnt some of the blame go to him. What about that bum Amare who makes 20 million. Aren't those guys supposed to be out there carrying the team with Melo or am I wrong. Everyone can point the finger and blame Melo meanwhile Amare and Chandler give us 4 and 6 in an elimination game but Melo who goes for almost 40 is the 1 all the blame is hoisted on

MElo has 10 years in the playoffs now with ZERO change or improvement. Same old Melo. Jack shots and when they dont fall jack some more. Dude's shooting 40% in 3 years with the Knicks in the playoffs and watching him for 3 years with the Knicks you can see why. He gets exposed every year.

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:it seems everyone is bad without Olympic teammates. so that really not that big of a point.

Their teams may be bad but that doesn't mean they are bad.

oh okay that's like Tyson maybe an Olympian but that doesn't mean he's an Olympian.

fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Clean wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

fishmike wrote:Melo performed just as poorly as the rest of his supporting cast. Paul George locked him down and had him taking exactly the kind of shots Indy wanted Melo taking. Forced midrange jumpers and contested drives where he gets pushed right into Indy's shot blockers.
Melo shoots 9-23, 6-16 and 10-28 all losses vs. Pacers.
Melo shoots 8-24 and 10-35 in losses to Boston.

Knicks lost 6 playoff games. 5 of them its 10000% justifiable to dump them right on Melo' shoulders. If your built around a "great MVP caliber scorer" and this is what he gives you come playoff time your gonna fail, as his team do time and time and time and time again in the playoffs.

When we get a REAL scorer. Like a guy who gives you 50% or more in the post and Melo is the #2 guy we can compete for a title. But this has been the same for the 10 years he's been in the league.

Folks can pretend this isnt a problem all they want. The reall killer is the #2 guy in this offense JR is even worse.

I can agree with the fact that Melo needs a post player to work off of. We need an inside presence that can balance out the offense. Too much perimeter play, too much reliance on the 3 ball.

We need an inside out game, and unfortunately that inside was supposed to be Amare.

When amare is healthy he still takes 1 shot to melo's 5. As long as melo controls most of the ball handling duties were screwed. We need a pg like a young nash, magic, stockton..smart pg's that will run a offense and not give the ball to melo annd clear out.

by the time melo makes his move or tries to pass, there isn't much time on the shot clock and his teammates are force to take a wild shot, and when they miss, thats when " the melo has no help" comments coming pouring in..

Why don't ppl say it correctly, Melo has nobody to bail him out

This is what I wanted melo to understand with our last coach. Instead of wanting the ball and have others clear out why not get the ball off of penetration or something. This stop the ability of the defense to double team him and forces him to act quickly with the ball. When melo has to think about what to do his chances of success goes down by the second. The weird thing is he gets it when he plays with team USA which is why he always dominates with them. Maybe it is a situation where he does not respect him team enough to relinquish control.

'
Would u?look who he is playing with he probably figures a bad shot early in the shot clock from him is still better then Jason Kidd standing on the 3 point line deciding whether he should shoot the ball for 8 seconds before passing it back with 4 seconds left

Was Melo great? No, but come on Tyson Chandler got destroyed by Roy Hibbert the whole series. Chandler gets 14 million a year shouldnt some of the blame go to him. What about that bum Amare who makes 20 million. Aren't those guys supposed to be out there carrying the team with Melo or am I wrong. Everyone can point the finger and blame Melo meanwhile Amare and Chandler give us 4 and 6 in an elimination game but Melo who goes for almost 40 is the 1 all the blame is hoisted on

Its Melo's team. He's the MVP candidate. He's the scoring champ. He's the superstar leader

MElo has 10 years in the playoffs now with ZERO change or improvement. Same old Melo. Jack shots and when they dont fall jack some more. Dude's shooting 40% in 3 years with the Knicks in the playoffs and watching him for 3 years with the Knicks you can see why. He gets exposed every year.

Melo gets the brunt of the blame. Deservedly so.

If Melo's Robin though, who's Batman? We had a 2nd and 3rd option, but no post option to be seen or heard from...

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:it seems everyone is bad without Olympic teammates. so that really not that big of a point.

Their teams may be bad but that doesn't mean they are bad.

oh okay that's like Tyson maybe an Olympian but that doesn't mean he's an Olympian.

huh?
I meant their teams may be bad bad but the superstar players still played like superstars

does that give them comfort when their team miss the playoffs or exit the playoffs. I agree Melo needs to play a lot better but I also believe others need to play better.

ChuckBuck wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Clean wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

fishmike wrote:Melo performed just as poorly as the rest of his supporting cast. Paul George locked him down and had him taking exactly the kind of shots Indy wanted Melo taking. Forced midrange jumpers and contested drives where he gets pushed right into Indy's shot blockers.
Melo shoots 9-23, 6-16 and 10-28 all losses vs. Pacers.
Melo shoots 8-24 and 10-35 in losses to Boston.

Knicks lost 6 playoff games. 5 of them its 10000% justifiable to dump them right on Melo' shoulders. If your built around a "great MVP caliber scorer" and this is what he gives you come playoff time your gonna fail, as his team do time and time and time and time again in the playoffs.

When we get a REAL scorer. Like a guy who gives you 50% or more in the post and Melo is the #2 guy we can compete for a title. But this has been the same for the 10 years he's been in the league.

Folks can pretend this isnt a problem all they want. The reall killer is the #2 guy in this offense JR is even worse.

I can agree with the fact that Melo needs a post player to work off of. We need an inside presence that can balance out the offense. Too much perimeter play, too much reliance on the 3 ball.

We need an inside out game, and unfortunately that inside was supposed to be Amare.

When amare is healthy he still takes 1 shot to melo's 5. As long as melo controls most of the ball handling duties were screwed. We need a pg like a young nash, magic, stockton..smart pg's that will run a offense and not give the ball to melo annd clear out.

by the time melo makes his move or tries to pass, there isn't much time on the shot clock and his teammates are force to take a wild shot, and when they miss, thats when " the melo has no help" comments coming pouring in..

Why don't ppl say it correctly, Melo has nobody to bail him out

This is what I wanted melo to understand with our last coach. Instead of wanting the ball and have others clear out why not get the ball off of penetration or something. This stop the ability of the defense to double team him and forces him to act quickly with the ball. When melo has to think about what to do his chances of success goes down by the second. The weird thing is he gets it when he plays with team USA which is why he always dominates with them. Maybe it is a situation where he does not respect him team enough to relinquish control.

'
Would u?look who he is playing with he probably figures a bad shot early in the shot clock from him is still better then Jason Kidd standing on the 3 point line deciding whether he should shoot the ball for 8 seconds before passing it back with 4 seconds left

Was Melo great? No, but come on Tyson Chandler got destroyed by Roy Hibbert the whole series. Chandler gets 14 million a year shouldnt some of the blame go to him. What about that bum Amare who makes 20 million. Aren't those guys supposed to be out there carrying the team with Melo or am I wrong. Everyone can point the finger and blame Melo meanwhile Amare and Chandler give us 4 and 6 in an elimination game but Melo who goes for almost 40 is the 1 all the blame is hoisted on

Its Melo's team. He's the MVP candidate. He's the scoring champ. He's the superstar leader

MElo has 10 years in the playoffs now with ZERO change or improvement. Same old Melo. Jack shots and when they dont fall jack some more. Dude's shooting 40% in 3 years with the Knicks in the playoffs and watching him for 3 years with the Knicks you can see why. He gets exposed every year.

Melo gets the brunt of the blame. Deservedly so.

If Melo's Robin though, who's Batman? We had a 2nd and 3rd option, but no post option to be seen or heard from...

So we are Denver. Not good enough to advance in the playoffs, but good enough to get there every year. NBA purgatory.

Seriously.. Melo is a good player but tell me something about this team's future to be excited about.

fishmike wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Clean wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

fishmike wrote:Melo performed just as poorly as the rest of his supporting cast. Paul George locked him down and had him taking exactly the kind of shots Indy wanted Melo taking. Forced midrange jumpers and contested drives where he gets pushed right into Indy's shot blockers.
Melo shoots 9-23, 6-16 and 10-28 all losses vs. Pacers.
Melo shoots 8-24 and 10-35 in losses to Boston.

Knicks lost 6 playoff games. 5 of them its 10000% justifiable to dump them right on Melo' shoulders. If your built around a "great MVP caliber scorer" and this is what he gives you come playoff time your gonna fail, as his team do time and time and time and time again in the playoffs.

When we get a REAL scorer. Like a guy who gives you 50% or more in the post and Melo is the #2 guy we can compete for a title. But this has been the same for the 10 years he's been in the league.

Folks can pretend this isnt a problem all they want. The reall killer is the #2 guy in this offense JR is even worse.

I can agree with the fact that Melo needs a post player to work off of. We need an inside presence that can balance out the offense. Too much perimeter play, too much reliance on the 3 ball.

We need an inside out game, and unfortunately that inside was supposed to be Amare.

When amare is healthy he still takes 1 shot to melo's 5. As long as melo controls most of the ball handling duties were screwed. We need a pg like a young nash, magic, stockton..smart pg's that will run a offense and not give the ball to melo annd clear out.

by the time melo makes his move or tries to pass, there isn't much time on the shot clock and his teammates are force to take a wild shot, and when they miss, thats when " the melo has no help" comments coming pouring in..

Why don't ppl say it correctly, Melo has nobody to bail him out

This is what I wanted melo to understand with our last coach. Instead of wanting the ball and have others clear out why not get the ball off of penetration or something. This stop the ability of the defense to double team him and forces him to act quickly with the ball. When melo has to think about what to do his chances of success goes down by the second. The weird thing is he gets it when he plays with team USA which is why he always dominates with them. Maybe it is a situation where he does not respect him team enough to relinquish control.

'
Would u?look who he is playing with he probably figures a bad shot early in the shot clock from him is still better then Jason Kidd standing on the 3 point line deciding whether he should shoot the ball for 8 seconds before passing it back with 4 seconds left

Was Melo great? No, but come on Tyson Chandler got destroyed by Roy Hibbert the whole series. Chandler gets 14 million a year shouldnt some of the blame go to him. What about that bum Amare who makes 20 million. Aren't those guys supposed to be out there carrying the team with Melo or am I wrong. Everyone can point the finger and blame Melo meanwhile Amare and Chandler give us 4 and 6 in an elimination game but Melo who goes for almost 40 is the 1 all the blame is hoisted on

Its Melo's team. He's the MVP candidate. He's the scoring champ. He's the superstar leader

MElo has 10 years in the playoffs now with ZERO change or improvement. Same old Melo. Jack shots and when they dont fall jack some more. Dude's shooting 40% in 3 years with the Knicks in the playoffs and watching him for 3 years with the Knicks you can see why. He gets exposed every year.

Melo gets the brunt of the blame. Deservedly so.

If Melo's Robin though, who's Batman? We had a 2nd and 3rd option, but no post option to be seen or heard from...

honestly its hard to see us as not being phucked. Where is the other guy we are building around coming from? Amare is done. Tyson isnt getting better and gives you zero on offense, role player. Shump has great potential as a 3rd scorer, lock down defender... core player but still a role player. You have seen the best of Felton. He had a good playoffs over all but he's another role player scrapheap guy.

So we are Denver. Not good enough to advance in the playoffs, but good enough to get there every year. NBA purgatory.

Seriously.. Melo is a good player but tell me something about this team's future to be excited about.

I feel you. We have to do something about the 4 and 5 spot, those are our 2 glaring holes.

fishmike wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

fishmike wrote:Melo performed just as poorly as the rest of his supporting cast. Paul George locked him down and had him taking exactly the kind of shots Indy wanted Melo taking. Forced midrange jumpers and contested drives where he gets pushed right into Indy's shot blockers.
Melo shoots 9-23, 6-16 and 10-28 all losses vs. Pacers.
Melo shoots 8-24 and 10-35 in losses to Boston.

Knicks lost 6 playoff games. 5 of them its 10000% justifiable to dump them right on Melo' shoulders. If your built around a "great MVP caliber scorer" and this is what he gives you come playoff time your gonna fail, as his team do time and time and time and time again in the playoffs.

When we get a REAL scorer. Like a guy who gives you 50% or more in the post and Melo is the #2 guy we can compete for a title. But this has been the same for the 10 years he's been in the league.

Folks can pretend this isnt a problem all they want. The reall killer is the #2 guy in this offense JR is even worse.

I can agree with the fact that Melo needs a post player to work off of. We need an inside presence that can balance out the offense. Too much perimeter play, too much reliance on the 3 ball.

We need an inside out game, and unfortunately that inside was supposed to be Amare.

If we had a 27 year old Amare that was putting up 25ppg on 52% shooting as our #1 option it would be different. Regular season does not = playoffs. Our team reminds me of the Hawks of the 90s. Good players.. Steve Smith, Mookie Blaylock, Kevin Willis... good enough to win 50ish games a year and good enough to get bounced in round 1 or 2 every year. You can see the Knicks building this kind of team

Yeah...We would be two games over .500...