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dk7th
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5/21/2013  12:17 AM
NardDogNation wrote:I'm an insomniac (that's apparently OCD), so here's my two cents on the Knicks moving forward.

HOW WE IMPROVE OFFENSIVELY....
Our offense is basically a derivative of Seven Seconds Or Less (SSOL). The difference is that while the endgame of SSOL was to run sets to open up the 3, our new endgame is to use the 3 to open up our sets. When things are clicking, these are our sets in a nut shell:

1.) Felton-Chandler pick and roll
a.) Felton gets to the basket...
i.) scores off a layup
ii.) sucks the defense in and kicks the ball out, which triggers multiple passes until the man with the best shot is found
iii.) passes to a rolling Chandler
b.) Chandler gets to the basket...
i.) scores on a dunk

2.) Melo iso on the right block
a.) Lulls his man to sleep by holding the ball, while jab stepping for 2-4 seconds before hoisting a 15ft jump shot
b.) Drives to the basket to either draw the foul or score the ball
c.) Drives to his left toward the paint but spots up from about 10 ft.

3.) JR iso on the left wing
a.) Drives left, brings the ball back to his right to kamikazee his way to the rim for either a foul or layup
b.) Takes 2-3 lateral dribbles to get a rhythm and immediately hoists an off balance shot from distance

THE PROBLEM:
1.) We're an incredibly predictable team that is easy to stop when our 3's aren't falling to open up any of the aforementioned sets.
2.) We're a small ball team but we don't exploit the benefits of being small, namely the fastbreak. The reason why we can't get out on breaks is because our guards are incredibly poor rebounders and aren't able to push the ball off of defensive boards. The best uptempo teams of the past decade, namely the Suns and Nets had several of the best backcourt rebounders in the league. Nets: Jason Kidd, Kerry Kittles, Keith Van Horn and then Kidd, Vince Carter and Richard Jefferson. Suns: Quentin Richardson and Joe Johnson.
3.) We get very little penetration to the basket and even less ability to drive and kick, forcing us to take low percentage shots.

THE SOLUTION:
1.) We can no longer play 3 guards at any one time. Shift Felton to PG; Iman to SG and start Copeland at SF. Prigioni/Smith can sub in for either guard but we'd need a legitimate 3 to sub for Copeland. It doesn't solve the problem but certainly helps.
Free Agent Possibilities: (a) Marvin Williams, (b) Martell Webster, (c) Wesley Johnson, (d) Brandon Rush, (e) Matt Barnes
Trade Targets: (a) Danny Granger, (b) Jared Dudley, (c) Joe Johnson, (d) Caron Butler, (e) Rajon Rondo, (f) Eric Bledsoe

2.) We need to establish/acquire a consistent no.2 scorer not named JR Smith. This should make our offense more dynamic and harder to contain. In an ideal world, that scorer would be our primary ball handler, since drives to the basket would be more actively contested and free up our shooters more. The gold standard would be a James Harden.
Free Agent Possibilities: (a) Nate Robinson
Trade Targets: (a) Brandon Jennings, (b) Eric Bledsoe, (c) Danny Granger[he's not a ball handler though], (d) Joe Johnson [he can't drive], (e) Jamal Crawford

the main problem is the main player for the knicks is just not that good. he can't make plays off the dribble and he doesn't defend. he is a one-way tweener-type player and true franchise players are always two-way players. and we discovered, once again, that he is not in peak condition. everything stems from this point and no matter how much lipstick you want to put on this pig it's.still.a.pig. 49.7%TS

point guard? same thing-- except not really a point guard but a tweener-type, out of shape, and he can't create off the dribble and doesn't defend. it's why he needed a point guard out there all the time but it cost the knicks when it came to perimeter defense. 49.0TS%

the secondary scorer for the knicks? LMAO same problem. can't create off the dribble and doesn't defend. pure knucklehead who apparently has substance abuse "issues." 43.2TS%

collectively those 3 average 10.8 assists per game while handling the ball 85% of the time. pa-thet-ic.

don't matter who you bring in, so long as these guys are the main guys the knicks will come up short when it counts. YUUUUCK! BOOOOOO!

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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callmened
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5/21/2013  12:28 AM
overall i agree. I think Melo is a robin masquerading as a Batman
Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
Knixkik
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5/21/2013  8:21 AM
callmened wrote:overall i agree. I think Melo is a robin masquerading as a Batman

I think he needs a 1B option, just like lebron and kobe needed.

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5/21/2013  8:48 AM
Knixkik wrote:
callmened wrote:overall i agree. I think Melo is a robin masquerading as a Batman

I think he needs a 1B option, just like lebron and kobe needed.

Put Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh or Shaq in his prime next to Melo and see what happens. Melo never played with anyone as good as anyone of those guys. Blaming Melo when he was brought in to play with 2 other Stars who did absolutely nothing is BS. Melo is not the reason the Knicks lost the series not even close

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NardDogNation
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5/21/2013  10:16 AM
dk7th wrote:the main problem is the main player for the knicks is just not that good. he can't make plays off the dribble and he doesn't defend. he is a one-way tweener-type player and true franchise players are always two-way players. and we discovered, once again, that he is not in peak condition. everything stems from this point and no matter how much lipstick you want to put on this pig it's.still.a.pig. 49.7%TS

point guard? same thing-- except not really a point guard but a tweener-type, out of shape, and he can't create off the dribble and doesn't defend. it's why he needed a point guard out there all the time but it cost the knicks when it came to perimeter defense. 49.0TS%

the secondary scorer for the knicks? LMAO same problem. can't create off the dribble and doesn't defend. pure knucklehead who apparently has substance abuse "issues." 43.2TS%

collectively those 3 average 10.8 assists per game while handling the ball 85% of the time. pa-thet-ic.

don't matter who you bring in, so long as these guys are the main guys the knicks will come up short when it counts. YUUUUCK! BOOOOOO!

Dirk, like Melo, is all of the things you mentioned and he has a ring while being considered a franchise player. No doubt, Melo has his flaws but history has shown that the purpose of a team is to compliment each others flaws with strengths (e.g. putting defensive stalwarts around Dirk).

The main problem this past playoffs was the fact that our guys around Melo completely flopped against the Pacers, which you go on to point out. On many occasions, Melo was the only guy capable of scoring which is a hell of a burden to carry no matter how well conditioned you are. After an 82 game season and a first round playoff series, there is only but so much energy you can expend before hitting a wall; ask golden boy Kevin Durant who shot 42% in the 2nd round without having a capable no.2 guy around. Remember that Durant ALSO ran out of gas and was missing clutch shots/free throws that could've won games. There was no difference in Melo, except that you don't like Melo for whatever reason.

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5/21/2013  10:50 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/21/2013  10:50 AM
What NardDogNation Said

NardDogNation wrote:

The main problem this past playoffs was the fact that our guys around Melo completely flopped against the Pacers, which you go on to point out. On many occasions, Melo was the only guy capable of scoring which is a hell of a burden to carry no matter how well conditioned you are. After an 82 game season and a first round playoff series, there is only but so much energy you can expend before hitting a wall; ask golden boy Kevin Durant who shot 42% in the 2nd round without having a capable no.2 guy around. Remember that Durant ALSO ran out of gas and was missing clutch shots/free throws that could've won games. There was no difference in Melo, except that you don't like Melo for whatever reason.

Durant absolutely faded down the stretch. Carmelo had little help. Other than Shumpert's epiphany moment, there was not much else in consistent offense.

Or interior defense.

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5/21/2013  11:09 AM
Got bored, so I revised my trade ideas. I italicized any new players involved.

1.) We'd have to make this deal first, to get the trade exception necessary to make the subsequent deal work. It'd be a three team trade between the Celtics, Clippers and Knicks:
BOS gets Raymond Felton, Eric Bledsoe, DeAndre Jordan, James White (to waive) and Quentin Richardson (to waive),
LAC gets Tyson Chandler and $1.5 million (from the Knicks)
NYK gets Rajon Rondo, Courtney Lee and a $3 million trade exception

I think the deal works for the same reasons. BOS is able to stay competitive but gets younger building blocks to move forward with.

LAC is able to upgrade their center position with a more "reliable" big man that also has fewer, more benign liabilities. They've made Bledsoe available in the trades and should be the bridge in value between Chandler and Jordan.

We make the deal for obvious reasons. We need a steady hand and more capable handle at PG and Rondo's one of the best in the league. It'll likely take him all season to recover, if not the entire season, but we probably could not get him unless we did so while there is uncertainty surrounding his health. I added Courtney Lee to this deal because we'll be losing Iman Shumpert in the following one. I've always liked Lee's game and his ability to move without the ball should make him an excellent fit next to Rondo AND Melo. I also think he is one of the better perimeter defenders in the league, which spares us some of the pain of losing Shumpert. For the record, I don't think we can get Courtney Lee if he didn't fall out of the rotation toward the end of this season.

2.)Same deal as before, we could do a 4 team trade with the Lakers, Suns and Hawks:
LAL receives Josh Smith, Steve Novak and a $4 million trade exception;
PHX receives Zaza Pachulia (sign and trade), Iman Shumpert and Chris Copeland (sign and trade);
ATL receives Marcin Gortat and Marcus Camby;
NYKreceives Pau Gasol and Wesley Johnson

The same rationale goes into this deal happening.

LAL is looking to save money and also keep Dwight Howard. This move accomplishes both by bringing in a more inexpensive PF that fits their system (ala Shawn Marion), who just so happens to be Dwight's best friend. They also add Steve Novak to space the floor, a skill they desperately need/want and a favorite of D'Antoni. I think it is highly probable that the Lakers would bite at this package.

PHX is planning to rebuild, which makes a 28 year old veteran like Gortat expendable. I know they've have had a significant amount of interest in Shumpert, since he was drafted so I think they'd be amendable to making the deal. Pachulia fills the vacancy at the 5 spot left behind by Gortat and Copeland adds depth. If there is any team stupid enough out there to give Copeland more than $3 million/yr (which is necessary to make the deal work), its the Phoenix Suns.

ATL does not plan on retaining Smith, so this is an attempt to get value for him and remain competitive. Gortat accomplishes both and allows Al Horford to play at his natural position, PF. With Ivan Johnson and Marcus Camby off the bench, I actually think they'd have one of the better big man rotations in the league.

NYK needs a player like Gasol to be the offensive compliment to Melo. He gives us a much needed post presence and playoff savvy. He's no doubt soft, as Amare so "brilliantly" articulated in 2010 but we could start Kenyon Martin with him to help offset some of that. I also think having a Spanish speaker on the team, will help us re-sign Prigioni, who seemed a bit uncomfortable around his teammates this season. I'm also intrigued by what Wesley Johnson might be able to bring. I liked him a lot coming out of college but he had the great misfortune of playing for the Wolves and then of getting buried behind an armada of forwards in Phoenix. If he fulfills some of his promise, I think he can be a lengthier and more athletic Shane Battier/better Rasual Butler. Its a low-risk/high reward move, so why not. Assuming we re-sign Prigioni, Kenyon Martin, JR Smith and Earl Barron, while making a few low budget additions.

NYK STARTERS
[PG]: Rajon Rondo
[SG]: Courtney Lee
[SF]: Carmelo Anthony
[PF]: Kenyon Martin
[C]: Pau Gasol
NYK BENCH ROTATION
[PG]: Pablo Prigioni
[G]: Jason Kidd
[G/F]: JR Smith
[F/C]: Amar'e Stoudemire
[F/C]: Jermaine O'Neal/ Samuel Dalembert/ Dante Cunningham/ Anthony Tolliver/Marvin Williams
NYK BENCH FODDER
[G]: Chris Smith (this dude sucks but is the compromise we make for keeping JR)
[G/F]: Wesley Johnson
[C]: Earl Barron
Our 24th pick

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5/21/2013  11:33 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/21/2013  11:34 AM
NardDogNation wrote:
dk7th wrote:the main problem is the main player for the knicks is just not that good. he can't make plays off the dribble and he doesn't defend. he is a one-way tweener-type player and true franchise players are always two-way players. and we discovered, once again, that he is not in peak condition. everything stems from this point and no matter how much lipstick you want to put on this pig it's.still.a.pig. 49.7%TS

point guard? same thing-- except not really a point guard but a tweener-type, out of shape, and he can't create off the dribble and doesn't defend. it's why he needed a point guard out there all the time but it cost the knicks when it came to perimeter defense. 49.0TS%

the secondary scorer for the knicks? LMAO same problem. can't create off the dribble and doesn't defend. pure knucklehead who apparently has substance abuse "issues." 43.2TS%

collectively those 3 average 10.8 assists per game while handling the ball 85% of the time. pa-thet-ic.

don't matter who you bring in, so long as these guys are the main guys the knicks will come up short when it counts. YUUUUCK! BOOOOOO!

Dirk, like Melo, is all of the things you mentioned


No way. Dirk in his prime was better in all major facets of the game than Melo is.
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5/21/2013  11:54 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
dk7th wrote:the main problem is the main player for the knicks is just not that good. he can't make plays off the dribble and he doesn't defend. he is a one-way tweener-type player and true franchise players are always two-way players. and we discovered, once again, that he is not in peak condition. everything stems from this point and no matter how much lipstick you want to put on this pig it's.still.a.pig. 49.7%TS

point guard? same thing-- except not really a point guard but a tweener-type, out of shape, and he can't create off the dribble and doesn't defend. it's why he needed a point guard out there all the time but it cost the knicks when it came to perimeter defense. 49.0TS%

the secondary scorer for the knicks? LMAO same problem. can't create off the dribble and doesn't defend. pure knucklehead who apparently has substance abuse "issues." 43.2TS%

collectively those 3 average 10.8 assists per game while handling the ball 85% of the time. pa-thet-ic.

don't matter who you bring in, so long as these guys are the main guys the knicks will come up short when it counts. YUUUUCK! BOOOOOO!

Dirk, like Melo, is all of the things you mentioned


No way. Dirk in his prime was better in all major facets of the game than Melo is.

I think Dirk was just a better shooter. I think Melo is a better scorer as a whole though; better at creating his own shot and better at getting to/finishing at the rim. They both have the same weaknesses on defense but I actually would take Melo over Dirk in that respect; just IMO.

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5/21/2013  12:03 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/21/2013  12:03 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
dk7th wrote:the main problem is the main player for the knicks is just not that good. he can't make plays off the dribble and he doesn't defend. he is a one-way tweener-type player and true franchise players are always two-way players. and we discovered, once again, that he is not in peak condition. everything stems from this point and no matter how much lipstick you want to put on this pig it's.still.a.pig. 49.7%TS

point guard? same thing-- except not really a point guard but a tweener-type, out of shape, and he can't create off the dribble and doesn't defend. it's why he needed a point guard out there all the time but it cost the knicks when it came to perimeter defense. 49.0TS%

the secondary scorer for the knicks? LMAO same problem. can't create off the dribble and doesn't defend. pure knucklehead who apparently has substance abuse "issues." 43.2TS%

collectively those 3 average 10.8 assists per game while handling the ball 85% of the time. pa-thet-ic.

don't matter who you bring in, so long as these guys are the main guys the knicks will come up short when it counts. YUUUUCK! BOOOOOO!

Dirk, like Melo, is all of the things you mentioned


No way. Dirk in his prime was better in all major facets of the game than Melo is.

I think Dirk was just a better shooter. I think Melo is a better scorer as a whole though; better at creating his own shot and better at getting to/finishing at the rim. They both have the same weaknesses on defense but I actually would take Melo over Dirk in that respect; just IMO.


Dirk like Melo was a volume scorer but Dirk had a better FG%, 3pt FG%, and FT%. There's just no way you can look at that and say Melo was the better scorer. Dirk was also a better decision-maker (look at the TOs). The differences were small in terms of rbs, blocks, and assists. I'm not seeing any *major* facet of the game (like scoring, rebounding, assists, etc.) that Melo is better than Dirk at. Only on a Knicks' board would this even be a serious discussion.
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