loweyecue wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Finestrg wrote:I have no problem with Melo as the centerpiece...Dude went for almost 40 last night. I thought he was great. Played his heart out. He needs better pieces around him. The right pieces..

Melo himself said this is the BEST team he EVER had around him - and he couldn't even get to the ECF, whereas by extension he has been to the WCF, with a worse team - so now the Team was the best ever he had, and clearly Melo can never be blamed for anything so um - let's fire the coach!

I think he was in the moment. Not sure that he would ever say this is the second best team I have ever been on or man this team is almost as good as my Denver team.

Exactly. What's he supposed to say? It was a decent team...Better than decent to be fair -- we did win 54 games. But it's not good enough to go all the way. Chandler and JR Smith and to a lesser degree Amar'e (I'll give him a bit of a pass here coming off knee surgery) aren't a good enough supporting cast. Bottom line is that Melo needed at least Chandler & Smith to play big--at least contribute--and for the 2nd year in a row, they failed (esp. Chandler and JR -- how much could we really expect out of a guy coming off knee surgery and thrust right into a playoff series against an Indiana team with that high-caliber a frontcourt?). These two didn't show up in this series at all...Melo deserved better man...I think it's been proven now we don't have the proper formula. We may not be able to make wholesale changes but clearly some degree of augmentation is needed.

Yes it's always someone else's fault - while Melo had a total of one good game in the two play-off series we played this year. So exactly what is it that he needs now? Who are you going to get for him?

You can't do much. We expected a lot from Amare and it didn't happen. We got Tyson Chandler out of fear because of what the Nets was doing and we needed a big man. With the team we have now if Melo leaves and everyone else stays we become a lottery team. That's how valuable Melo is to this team

TeamBall wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Finestrg wrote:I have no problem with Melo as the centerpiece...Dude went for almost 40 last night. I thought he was great. Played his heart out. He needs better pieces around him. The right pieces..

Melo himself said this is the BEST team he EVER had around him - and he couldn't even get to the ECF, whereas by extension he has been to the WCF, with a worse team - so now the Team was the best ever he had, and clearly Melo can never be blamed for anything so um - let's fire the coach!

I think he was in the moment. Not sure that he would ever say this is the second best team I have ever been on or man this team is almost as good as my Denver team.

Exactly. What's he supposed to say? It was a decent team...Better than decent to be fair -- we did win 54 games. But it's not good enough to go all the way. Chandler and JR Smith and to a lesser degree Amar'e (I'll give him a bit of a pass here coming off knee surgery) aren't a good enough supporting cast. Bottom line is that Melo needed at least Chandler & Smith to play big--at least contribute--and for the 2nd year in a row, they failed (esp. Chandler and JR -- how much could we really expect out of a guy coming off knee surgery and thrust right into a playoff series against an Indiana team with that high-caliber a frontcourt?). These two didn't show up in this series at all...Melo deserved better man...I think it's been proven now we don't have the proper formula. We may not be able to make wholesale changes but clearly some degree of augmentation is needed.

Yes it's always someone else's fault - while Melo had a total of one good game in the two play-off series we played this year. So exactly what is it that he needs now? Who are you going to get for him?

What exactly are you hoping to gain from convincing other people to blame Melo? I admit he was garbage in the Boston series and shot awfully all playoffs and also had 2 turnovers that basically blew the game yesterday but hes still not going anywhere.

Gain? I am discussing my point of view - isn't that what you do on a message board? I am also tired of hearing this Melo needs help crap - Melo is what he is a overpaid, one dimensional ball hogging, low percentage scorer.

TeamBall wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Finestrg wrote:I have no problem with Melo as the centerpiece...Dude went for almost 40 last night. I thought he was great. Played his heart out. He needs better pieces around him. The right pieces..

Melo himself said this is the BEST team he EVER had around him - and he couldn't even get to the ECF, whereas by extension he has been to the WCF, with a worse team - so now the Team was the best ever he had, and clearly Melo can never be blamed for anything so um - let's fire the coach!

I think he was in the moment. Not sure that he would ever say this is the second best team I have ever been on or man this team is almost as good as my Denver team.

Exactly. What's he supposed to say? It was a decent team...Better than decent to be fair -- we did win 54 games. But it's not good enough to go all the way. Chandler and JR Smith and to a lesser degree Amar'e (I'll give him a bit of a pass here coming off knee surgery) aren't a good enough supporting cast. Bottom line is that Melo needed at least Chandler & Smith to play big--at least contribute--and for the 2nd year in a row, they failed (esp. Chandler and JR -- how much could we really expect out of a guy coming off knee surgery and thrust right into a playoff series against an Indiana team with that high-caliber a frontcourt?). These two didn't show up in this series at all...Melo deserved better man...I think it's been proven now we don't have the proper formula. We may not be able to make wholesale changes but clearly some degree of augmentation is needed.

Yes it's always someone else's fault - while Melo had a total of one good game in the two play-off series we played this year. So exactly what is it that he needs now? Who are you going to get for him?

What exactly are you hoping to gain from convincing other people to blame Melo? I admit he was garbage in the Boston series and shot awfully all playoffs and also had 2 turnovers that basically blew the game yesterday but hes still not going anywhere.

Papabear Says

39 Points. When no one could buy a bucket he made 39 points. If the team would have made some shot in the first half we might have won. 39 points and the best in 13 years. 39 points.

Papabear wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Finestrg wrote:I have no problem with Melo as the centerpiece...Dude went for almost 40 last night. I thought he was great. Played his heart out. He needs better pieces around him. The right pieces..

Melo himself said this is the BEST team he EVER had around him - and he couldn't even get to the ECF, whereas by extension he has been to the WCF, with a worse team - so now the Team was the best ever he had, and clearly Melo can never be blamed for anything so um - let's fire the coach!

I think he was in the moment. Not sure that he would ever say this is the second best team I have ever been on or man this team is almost as good as my Denver team.

Exactly. What's he supposed to say? It was a decent team...Better than decent to be fair -- we did win 54 games. But it's not good enough to go all the way. Chandler and JR Smith and to a lesser degree Amar'e (I'll give him a bit of a pass here coming off knee surgery) aren't a good enough supporting cast. Bottom line is that Melo needed at least Chandler & Smith to play big--at least contribute--and for the 2nd year in a row, they failed (esp. Chandler and JR -- how much could we really expect out of a guy coming off knee surgery and thrust right into a playoff series against an Indiana team with that high-caliber a frontcourt?). These two didn't show up in this series at all...Melo deserved better man...I think it's been proven now we don't have the proper formula. We may not be able to make wholesale changes but clearly some degree of augmentation is needed.

Yes it's always someone else's fault - while Melo had a total of one good game in the two play-off series we played this year. So exactly what is it that he needs now? Who are you going to get for him?

What exactly are you hoping to gain from convincing other people to blame Melo? I admit he was garbage in the Boston series and shot awfully all playoffs and also had 2 turnovers that basically blew the game yesterday but hes still not going anywhere.

Papabear Says

39 Points. When no one could buy a bucket he made 39 points. If the team would have made some shot in the first half we might have won. 39 points and the best in 13 years. 39 points.

TeamBall wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Finestrg wrote:I have no problem with Melo as the centerpiece...Dude went for almost 40 last night. I thought he was great. Played his heart out. He needs better pieces around him. The right pieces..

Melo himself said this is the BEST team he EVER had around him - and he couldn't even get to the ECF, whereas by extension he has been to the WCF, with a worse team - so now the Team was the best ever he had, and clearly Melo can never be blamed for anything so um - let's fire the coach!

I think he was in the moment. Not sure that he would ever say this is the second best team I have ever been on or man this team is almost as good as my Denver team.

Exactly. What's he supposed to say? It was a decent team...Better than decent to be fair -- we did win 54 games. But it's not good enough to go all the way. Chandler and JR Smith and to a lesser degree Amar'e (I'll give him a bit of a pass here coming off knee surgery) aren't a good enough supporting cast. Bottom line is that Melo needed at least Chandler & Smith to play big--at least contribute--and for the 2nd year in a row, they failed (esp. Chandler and JR -- how much could we really expect out of a guy coming off knee surgery and thrust right into a playoff series against an Indiana team with that high-caliber a frontcourt?). These two didn't show up in this series at all...Melo deserved better man...I think it's been proven now we don't have the proper formula. We may not be able to make wholesale changes but clearly some degree of augmentation is needed.

Yes it's always someone else's fault - while Melo had a total of one good game in the two play-off series we played this year. So exactly what is it that he needs now? Who are you going to get for him?

What exactly are you hoping to gain from convincing other people to blame Melo? I admit he was garbage in the Boston series and shot awfully all playoffs and also had 2 turnovers that basically blew the game yesterday but hes still not going anywhere.

Gain? I am discussing my point of view - isn't that what you do on a message board? I am also tired of hearing this Melo needs help crap - Melo is what he is a overpaid, one dimensional ball hogging, low percentage scorer.

Well why are trying to place all the blame on him saying "its never his fault" sarcastically? Losing to Indiana was not solely his fault.

Why or how does pointing out that he is as much to blame as anyone else, suddenly get construed into it being "all his fault"??? You Melo fans are all butthurt because he played like crap and now all your year long taunting is coming back to bite you in the ass. Deal with it.

Papabear wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Finestrg wrote:I have no problem with Melo as the centerpiece...Dude went for almost 40 last night. I thought he was great. Played his heart out. He needs better pieces around him. The right pieces..

Melo himself said this is the BEST team he EVER had around him - and he couldn't even get to the ECF, whereas by extension he has been to the WCF, with a worse team - so now the Team was the best ever he had, and clearly Melo can never be blamed for anything so um - let's fire the coach!

I think he was in the moment. Not sure that he would ever say this is the second best team I have ever been on or man this team is almost as good as my Denver team.

Exactly. What's he supposed to say? It was a decent team...Better than decent to be fair -- we did win 54 games. But it's not good enough to go all the way. Chandler and JR Smith and to a lesser degree Amar'e (I'll give him a bit of a pass here coming off knee surgery) aren't a good enough supporting cast. Bottom line is that Melo needed at least Chandler & Smith to play big--at least contribute--and for the 2nd year in a row, they failed (esp. Chandler and JR -- how much could we really expect out of a guy coming off knee surgery and thrust right into a playoff series against an Indiana team with that high-caliber a frontcourt?). These two didn't show up in this series at all...Melo deserved better man...I think it's been proven now we don't have the proper formula. We may not be able to make wholesale changes but clearly some degree of augmentation is needed.

Yes it's always someone else's fault - while Melo had a total of one good game in the two play-off series we played this year. So exactly what is it that he needs now? Who are you going to get for him?

What exactly are you hoping to gain from convincing other people to blame Melo? I admit he was garbage in the Boston series and shot awfully all playoffs and also had 2 turnovers that basically blew the game yesterday but hes still not going anywhere.

Papabear Says

39 Points. When no one could buy a bucket he made 39 points. If the team would have made some shot in the first half we might have won. 39 points and the best in 13 years. 39 points.

This pretty much derails every letter you just typed in that post because we're going to use the Game Log as factual evidence and not your heart that pumps blood for Melo

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=400464469&period=3

Although Melo scored a total of 15pts in the 3rd qrt he had 11 of them when the score was 60-67.....we were down. So the so called player that you're implying didn't carry weight showed in the 3rd because by the time the qrt ended the score was 81-81. A big reason is because Iman Shumpert was hitting 3s.

Then on to the 4th art

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=400464469&period=4

another so called player that didn't carry his weight I guess in Copeland made 2 3s and put us up 3 in the 4th(which I believe was our first time being ahead since like early 1rst qrt) after the game was tied after 3qrts.....

Notice what transpired once Carmelo entered the game at the 9:41sec mark.....Melo came in with a 3pt cushion he should of took us home

How about you take it over from here PapaBear....

loweyecue wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

loweyecue wrote:Why or how does pointing out that he is as much to blame as anyone else, suddenly get construed into it being "all his fault"??? You Melo fans are all butthurt because he played like crap and now all your year long taunting is coming back to bite you in the ass. Deal with it.

What is wrong with you? I defend one player on the team and suddenly im more a fan of him than the team? I defended Felton last night so am I a butthurt Felton fan now? You need stop generalizing. I did no taunting.

If you are not one of the perpetual Melo apologists on the board - I apologize.

loweyecue wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Finestrg wrote:I have no problem with Melo as the centerpiece...Dude went for almost 40 last night. I thought he was great. Played his heart out. He needs better pieces around him. The right pieces..

Melo himself said this is the BEST team he EVER had around him - and he couldn't even get to the ECF, whereas by extension he has been to the WCF, with a worse team - so now the Team was the best ever he had, and clearly Melo can never be blamed for anything so um - let's fire the coach!

I think he was in the moment. Not sure that he would ever say this is the second best team I have ever been on or man this team is almost as good as my Denver team.

Exactly. What's he supposed to say? It was a decent team...Better than decent to be fair -- we did win 54 games. But it's not good enough to go all the way. Chandler and JR Smith and to a lesser degree Amar'e (I'll give him a bit of a pass here coming off knee surgery) aren't a good enough supporting cast. Bottom line is that Melo needed at least Chandler & Smith to play big--at least contribute--and for the 2nd year in a row, they failed (esp. Chandler and JR -- how much could we really expect out of a guy coming off knee surgery and thrust right into a playoff series against an Indiana team with that high-caliber a frontcourt?). These two didn't show up in this series at all...Melo deserved better man...I think it's been proven now we don't have the proper formula. We may not be able to make wholesale changes but clearly some degree of augmentation is needed.

Yes it's always someone else's fault - while Melo had a total of one good game in the two play-off series we played this year. So exactly what is it that he needs now? Who are you going to get for him?

What exactly are you hoping to gain from convincing other people to blame Melo? I admit he was garbage in the Boston series and shot awfully all playoffs and also had 2 turnovers that basically blew the game yesterday but hes still not going anywhere.

Gain? I am discussing my point of view - isn't that what you do on a message board? I am also tired of hearing this Melo needs help crap - Melo is what he is a overpaid, one dimensional ball hogging, low percentage scorer.

Respectfully disagree. Melo played fantastic last night in a hostile environment against a very good team. I'm proud of him, going quiet in the 4th quarter and all..See Briggs' "2nd round picks" thread and the "which cheap FAs do we target" threads for my ideas on who to fill in around Melo with...I want solid talent at a good price; no over-priced or over-the-hill/long-in-the tooth players... Melo is absolutely a good enough piece to win a championship with in my view. He did his job last night...If some of these other "key pieces" we have here did theirs, we'd still be playing.

loweyecue wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Finestrg wrote:I have no problem with Melo as the centerpiece...Dude went for almost 40 last night. I thought he was great. Played his heart out. He needs better pieces around him. The right pieces..

Melo himself said this is the BEST team he EVER had around him - and he couldn't even get to the ECF, whereas by extension he has been to the WCF, with a worse team - so now the Team was the best ever he had, and clearly Melo can never be blamed for anything so um - let's fire the coach!

I think he was in the moment. Not sure that he would ever say this is the second best team I have ever been on or man this team is almost as good as my Denver team.

Exactly. What's he supposed to say? It was a decent team...Better than decent to be fair -- we did win 54 games. But it's not good enough to go all the way. Chandler and JR Smith and to a lesser degree Amar'e (I'll give him a bit of a pass here coming off knee surgery) aren't a good enough supporting cast. Bottom line is that Melo needed at least Chandler & Smith to play big--at least contribute--and for the 2nd year in a row, they failed (esp. Chandler and JR -- how much could we really expect out of a guy coming off knee surgery and thrust right into a playoff series against an Indiana team with that high-caliber a frontcourt?). These two didn't show up in this series at all...Melo deserved better man...I think it's been proven now we don't have the proper formula. We may not be able to make wholesale changes but clearly some degree of augmentation is needed.

Yes it's always someone else's fault - while Melo had a total of one good game in the two play-off series we played this year. So exactly what is it that he needs now? Who are you going to get for him?

What exactly are you hoping to gain from convincing other people to blame Melo? I admit he was garbage in the Boston series and shot awfully all playoffs and also had 2 turnovers that basically blew the game yesterday but hes still not going anywhere.

Gain? I am discussing my point of view - isn't that what you do on a message board? I am also tired of hearing this Melo needs help crap - Melo is what he is a overpaid, one dimensional ball hogging, low percentage scorer.

How is it that you can criticize Melo, yet acknowledge that neither JR, Amare or Chandler played well the entire series? Clearly the guy isn't that bad because we would not nearly have pushed a game 7, and in all likelihood a trip to the Eastern Conference Finals, without him.

3G4G wrote:

Papabear wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Finestrg wrote:I have no problem with Melo as the centerpiece...Dude went for almost 40 last night. I thought he was great. Played his heart out. He needs better pieces around him. The right pieces..

Melo himself said this is the BEST team he EVER had around him - and he couldn't even get to the ECF, whereas by extension he has been to the WCF, with a worse team - so now the Team was the best ever he had, and clearly Melo can never be blamed for anything so um - let's fire the coach!

I think he was in the moment. Not sure that he would ever say this is the second best team I have ever been on or man this team is almost as good as my Denver team.

Exactly. What's he supposed to say? It was a decent team...Better than decent to be fair -- we did win 54 games. But it's not good enough to go all the way. Chandler and JR Smith and to a lesser degree Amar'e (I'll give him a bit of a pass here coming off knee surgery) aren't a good enough supporting cast. Bottom line is that Melo needed at least Chandler & Smith to play big--at least contribute--and for the 2nd year in a row, they failed (esp. Chandler and JR -- how much could we really expect out of a guy coming off knee surgery and thrust right into a playoff series against an Indiana team with that high-caliber a frontcourt?). These two didn't show up in this series at all...Melo deserved better man...I think it's been proven now we don't have the proper formula. We may not be able to make wholesale changes but clearly some degree of augmentation is needed.

Yes it's always someone else's fault - while Melo had a total of one good game in the two play-off series we played this year. So exactly what is it that he needs now? Who are you going to get for him?

What exactly are you hoping to gain from convincing other people to blame Melo? I admit he was garbage in the Boston series and shot awfully all playoffs and also had 2 turnovers that basically blew the game yesterday but hes still not going anywhere.

Papabear Says

39 Points. When no one could buy a bucket he made 39 points. If the team would have made some shot in the first half we might have won. 39 points and the best in 13 years. 39 points.

This pretty much derails every letter you just typed in that post because we're going to use the Game Log as factual evidence and not your heart that pumps blood for Melo

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=400464469&period=3

Although Melo scored a total of 15pts in the 3rd qrt he had 11 of them when the score was 60-67.....we were down. So the so called player that you're implying didn't carry weight showed in the 3rd because by the time the qrt ended the score was 81-81. A big reason is because Iman Shumpert was hitting 3s.

Then on to the 4th art

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=400464469&period=4

another so called player that didn't carry his weight I guess in Copeland made 2 3s and put us up 3 in the 4th(which I believe was our first time being ahead since like early 1rst qrt) after the game was tied after 3qrts.....

Notice what transpired once Carmelo entered the game at the 9:41sec mark.....Melo came in with a 3pt cushion he should of took us home

How about you take it over from here PapaBear....

Can't take over from someone like you who have a personal hate for Melo. You are who you are and nothing can change you. You will only be happy with another 13 years of doom and gloom.

The facts are NY does not have anyone else that can score when the game is on the line.
JR? WE thought he could but for some reason, he cannot. Maybe, its too much *** and pu$$y on his brain.

Shump? maybe. Next year is key for him. Defensively he will start getting the calls next year, I hope. Offensively, I think his shot is getting there and just needs to get better going to the rim.

Felton? hell no.
Chandler? Uhhh, does not even need a response.

Amare? Yes,He can. IF he is healthy, Amare is still the 2nd best player on this team. IMO, he played pretty well against Indiana and should have been used more but maybe he was not up to it. Amare needs to focus on his D this off-season and IMO, he needs to play C next year. NY needs to get him involved in the offense.

THe problem is that the Chandler, as a "big 3" member has ZERO offensive game. Great players are known for their offense most of the time. IF he is not bring D and rebounding, Chandler is far from great.