holfresh wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

playa2 wrote:We had the better players and more experienced players , they weren't inserted into the game when we needed them the most.

Then on the other hand he played guys who gave us nothing more minutes than they deserved.

Who are these players?

felton is better then hill

melo is better then paul G

shump is better then lance

amare when healthy IS BETTER THEN west

prigs is better then DJ

cope is better then mihimini (what ever his name is)

Vogel is better then woodson, and he prepared his team more, and got them to play smarter through preparation..

OUR biggest advantage was our bench, and we failed to use it

Felton is not better than Hill..
Prigs is not better than DJ
Amare is hurt
Cope didn't get major time in the season and was missing lots of assignments in defense..Did you notice that every Knick player was yelling at him at one point or another in the series..Did you see Amare screaming at Copland and he just got int the game...Amare the defensive stall worth...There is a lot more to playing n an NBA game than hitting a three...

U familiar with the term spin...

copeland is on the floor for one thing, spacing and scoring, but when you have 2 ball hogs, you start thinking, man cope is lousy on defense..smh

tkf wrote:

playa2 wrote:You ever heard of having a better team and still losing the game...it's happened before this isn't the 1st time in sports.

the better team won playa, Indy has a good shot at beating the heat....I said this early on..

Why do you think people were calling for Woodson's head ? You didn't want NY to win with this roster so why are you even in this thread. LOL

Knicks needed STOPS not points. Knick were getting neither.

Copelands defense was terrible by the way and he had a hard time creating his own offense.

I dont understand the fascination with bench fodder. Its the playoffs certain guys wont play. Gerald Green and Jess Pendergraph collected splinters for Indiana.

holfresh wrote:After years of infertility, missed playoffs and losing records, you want to fire the guy that just went 73-34, won the division, got into the second round after a tough season of injuries...Come on guys, get serious..

I never said fire Woodson I said I thought his rotations were silly. Why Kidd was on the court you and I will never know he was done and still got meaningful run.

playa2 wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Stephenson and Hill are both big guard who can penetrate. Kidd and Prigioni are defensive liabilities again those too. Felton and Shumpert weren't giving us consistent scoring.

Knicks needed STOPS not points. Knick were getting neither.

Copelands defense was terrible by the way and he had a hard time creating his own offense.

I dont understand the fascination with bench fodder. Its the playoffs certain guys wont play. Gerald Green and Jess Pendergraph collected splinters for Indiana.

You call Copeland fodder, well watch how many teams try and steal him from the Knicks.

Admit it, every time he shot the ball you thought it was going in.

I wont shed any tears. I watch other teams. You realize the Knicks are so thin they play guys who normally wouldnt get burn on a good team.

Jackie Butler
Landry Fields
Anthony Randolph
Toney Douglas

The list goes on and on. A guy has a partial solid season and guys are ready to break the bank for them. Come on man.

you can only polish a turd so much before you realize what you've got on your hands....

playa2 wrote:If you don't believe me then read what ESPN HAD TO SAY:

Sunday, May 19, 2013
Five reasons why Knicks lost to Pacers
By Ian Begley

Mike Woodson thought his New York Knicks had the pieces in place to contend for a championship this year.

Turns out they couldn't get out of the second round.

So what went wrong in the Eastern Conference semifinals against the Indiana Pacers? Plenty.

WOODSON'S LINEUP LETDOWN: Woodson deserves kudos for getting the Knicks to 54 regular-season wins, an Atlantic Division crown and a first-round playoff series win.

Kenyon Martin and Mike Woodson
Kenyon Martin wasn't the answer for Mike Woodson in Game 4.
But he made some head-scratching moves in the Pacers series. His biggest misstep came on the eve of Game 4, after watching the Pacers crush the Knicks on the boards in two of the first three games.

Instead of sticking with the small-ball lineup that worked for most of the season, Woodson went big for Game 4. He removed Pablo Prigioni from the starting five and inserted Kenyon Martin, hoping Martin would help neutralize Indiana's rebounding edge.

It didn't work out that way.

Indiana outrebounded the Knicks by 18 and pulled down 16 offensive boards to take a 3-1 series lead.

Martin had five rebounds in 29 minutes. Prigioni played just 3:26. Starting swingman Iman Shumpert was on the floor for a mere 16 minutes.

Woodson essentially changed the Knicks' identity in the middle of a playoff series, and it backfired.

Jason Kidd, by the way, played most of the minutes that would've gone to Prigioni -- and went 0-for-2 in 18 minutes. It was Kidd's eighth straight scoreless game.

NOT ENOUGH COPE: Also in Game 4, Woodson chose to play Amar'e Stoudemire -- in his second game back from a two-month absence -- for 11 minutes. Those minutes could have gone to Chris Copeland, who has the potential to provide instant offense.

Woodson did turn to Copeland with the Knicks down by 15 in the third quarter of Game 4. The rookie hit a 3 to cut the lead to 10 early in the fourth -- and returned to the bench 32 seconds later. Strange.

Copeland helped the Knicks delay elimination by delivering 13 points in 19 minutes during a must-win Game 5. He scored nine more in 19 minutes in Game 6, leading Knicks fans from Alphabet City to Albany wondering: What took Woodson so long to play him?

TYSON'S KNICKS GET CRUSHED ON BOARDS: Indiana outrebounded New York by an average of 10.4 per game. That's 62 rebounds over the course of six games, significant because both teams shot at
similar clips (42.6 percent for the Pacers, 40.9 percent for the Knicks), making extra possessions crucial.

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Ya see this is what the rest of the world saw, you have to be ignorant not to see the points he made concerning why the Knicks lost to the Pacers. Woodson was the blame, he controlled who

played and who didn't. IT WAS LIKE THOSE MOVES (highlighted in black) WERE MADE TO KILL OUR CHANCE TO WIN

One more thing. I heard Begley interviewed yesterday by a guy hosting espn's national radio broadcast. The host was openly criticizing the Knicks and specifically Melo. Begley came on and was very anti-Knick. I was surprised because the host was saying generic type comments that made him sound like he didn't watch games but Begley went with it. I was disappointed. I think it was Begley that kept quoting very negative things from an unnamed eastern conference scout during the regular season.

AnubisADL wrote:

dk7th wrote:you're not going to win much of anything of significance when your so-called franchise player is basically a variation on elgin baylor, dominique wilkins, tracy macgrady, and vince carter.

you can only polish a turd so much before you realize what you've got on your hands....

If those guys are turds then what is Gallinari?

underrated.

i get it-- when you cannot actually give a good defense of your favorite player-- you must resort to attacking a different player.

we have an overrated so-called franchise player that you cannot build a championship team around. deal with it!

playa2 wrote:

holfresh wrote:Indy was the better team because the score says so...They had 5 guys that could drop 25 pts on any given night...They played better defense and they were hungrier...They embarrassed us on the boards...Thats hustle...Melo and Shump were the only Hungry Knicks...Maybe Cope..We lost and we have to live with that..Lets get players in here who are hungry and want to win...

How can you honestly say that when we had a guy who would have made a difference in the series if he was put into the games.

You can't show what you got to help your team win by sitting on the bench.

Players don't check into the game, the coach has to put them in.

If Copeland played in ALL THE games in this series, we would have won this matchup , they had no match for him with Melo Felton, JR or Shump in the game.

People were saying "Melo needs help" HE HAD HELP ON THE BENCH AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SERIES !

No other knicks shots was hitting the bottom of the net and quieting the pacers crowd like Chris Copeland.

knicks1248 wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

playa2 wrote:We had the better players and more experienced players , they weren't inserted into the game when we needed them the most.

Then on the other hand he played guys who gave us nothing more minutes than they deserved.

Who are these players?

felton is better then hill

melo is better then paul G

shump is better then lance

amare when healthy IS BETTER THEN west

prigs is better then DJ

cope is better then mihimini (what ever his name is)

Vogel is better then woodson, and he prepared his team more, and got them to play smarter through preparation..

OUR biggest advantage was our bench, and we failed to use it

knicks1248 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

holfresh wrote:Indy was the better team because the score says so...They had 5 guys that could drop 25 pts on any given night...They played better defense and they were hungrier...They embarrassed us on the boards...Thats hustle...Melo and Shump were the only Hungry Knicks...Maybe Cope..We lost and we have to live with that..Lets get players in here who are hungry and want to win...

It seems like you turn a complete blind eye on woodsons moves, and shifted to we need better players

then you shift complete blame on MDA saying he couldn't get max effort from his sub par players..

Not at all..Woodson had a bad series..But not for the reasons most are posting here...MDA made horrible moves in the Boston series from time outs n big game situations, to when not to foul in certain situation to play calling in the playoffs..Woodson bad moves weren't as blatant as MDA's screw ups...But really how many people expected 73-34 since becoming coach and getting to the second seed??..Does that matter???

you think MDA lost to the C's because of not calling time outs or when to foul..what a joke

what about rondo making TD looking like he didn't belong in the NBA at all, what about the injuries to JJ, Amare, billups.

Why does woodson get a pass for being dismantle by the heat in the 1st round last season, but MDA gets hammered for having less talent