Knicksfan wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I actually think MDA was trying to get Melo to play the right way. Melo just couldn't make shots and wouldn't try on defense.

To be fair, MDA really had great ideas on offense, but he was too dependant on the PG and didn't use Melo to post up and effectively iao.

Not saying it is better with Woodson. His offensive deficiencies are well known here and it looked like he list the team at some point because they became undisciplined, immature, lacked effort and urgency.

So MDA needed a defensive specialist and Woodson needs an offensive specialist.

We still need a complete coach.

holfresh wrote:

3G4G wrote:

holfresh wrote:

3G4G wrote:

holfresh wrote:

3G4G wrote:There's really no need for any NBA player to take 20FGA/gm unless he's Lebron or Micheal Jordan.

Melo takes this many FGA/gm for 2 reasons...

1 - He Lust To Shoot The Rock

2 - The Players around him feel less significant or are stamped down while on the court with him ultimately coming to brainstorming conclusions..... it's near impossible to construct a team around him that compliments his skillets where it can win at the highest level.

The irony and Hypocrisy in all of this...the greater portion of the fan base is willing to give the organization as much time necessary to figure out what roster will work for Melo, while OTOH if the organization infuses youth on the team they want to see immediate star potential otherwise scrap the game plan and acquire the most talented, malcontent, underachiever.... as possible to make them feel at ease.

So why was Denver trying to keep and resign Melo??

Because they had Lawson/Afflalo/Cap Space-Expiring contracts/Future picks....to not only re-sign Melo but to get younger, add pieces, and to play a style of basketball more suited to today's game. Also they could sign Melo and then trade him...you know like they did Nene/Afflalo/Harrington.

Last I checked Denver is Denver and we're the Knicks

Next idiotic question?

So they wanted to resign Melo to trade him...Hahahahahahahahahh...They look like they could have used Melo in the playoffs...

Yep....

Denver looked like they could have used Paul George or Tony Allen or Marc Gasol in the playoffs....to stop the Warriors from dropping 110+....

Hahahahahahahahahh and another Hahahahahahahahahh

Well if your theory is correct they got exactly what they were looking for a trade of Melo for assets...Only think tho it resulted in a first round exit...

Right, whereas a second round exit to team that has no supertsars proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that unless you have Melo you just can't win.

3G4G wrote:

holfresh wrote:

3G4G wrote:

holfresh wrote:

3G4G wrote:

holfresh wrote:

3G4G wrote:

holfresh wrote:

3G4G wrote:There's really no need for any NBA player to take 20FGA/gm unless he's Lebron or Micheal Jordan.

Melo takes this many FGA/gm for 2 reasons...

1 - He Lust To Shoot The Rock

2 - The Players around him feel less significant or are stamped down while on the court with him ultimately coming to brainstorming conclusions..... it's near impossible to construct a team around him that compliments his skillets where it can win at the highest level.

The irony and Hypocrisy in all of this...the greater portion of the fan base is willing to give the organization as much time necessary to figure out what roster will work for Melo, while OTOH if the organization infuses youth on the team they want to see immediate star potential otherwise scrap the game plan and acquire the most talented, malcontent, underachiever.... as possible to make them feel at ease.

So why was Denver trying to keep and resign Melo??

Because they had Lawson/Afflalo/Cap Space-Expiring contracts/Future picks....to not only re-sign Melo but to get younger, add pieces, and to play a style of basketball more suited to today's game. Also they could sign Melo and then trade him...you know like they did Nene/Afflalo/Harrington.

Last I checked Denver is Denver and we're the Knicks

Next idiotic question?

So they wanted to resign Melo to trade him...Hahahahahahahahahh...They look like they could have used Melo in the playoffs...

Yep....

Denver looked like they could have used Paul George or Tony Allen or Marc Gasol in the playoffs....to stop the Warriors from dropping 110+....

Hahahahahahahahahh and another Hahahahahahahahahh

Well if your theory is correct they got exactly what they were looking for a trade of Melo for assets...Only think tho it resulted in a first round exit...

My Theory was proven correct with 2 teams Indiana and GSW...young teams who made it just as far if not further than the Knicks...

I'm about having a young team to grow with and have success

You're about having an old team to fold with creating a mess

NEXT?

Who did Indy and GS trade away for young assets?????

They didn't they held on to their players and didn't get caught up in the hype....

Klay was sought after by OKC for Harden....they said no thanks. I believe Steph Curry was mentioned in the Melo rumors once again they held on to him.

Indy didn't S&T Hibbert to Portland a la David Lee to GSW..... but instead matched his offer sheet. They didn't trade their second pick Lance Stephenson to get someone like O.J. Mayo. They also didn't Landry Fields him(same draft class btw and act like he was the gift and then once trades and new acquisitions were made treat him like the curse)

What had any of those players showed up until those moments? Not a whole lot. Curry was about as fragile as they come......Galloesque. I wonder if Warrior fans were pulling their hairs out hoping Melo or Rudy Gay would come their way because of Peter Pan's ankles? I doubt it.

Oh and the Warriors were offered Chandler for pick 7 but they said no we'd rather select Harrison Barnes and keep him

Once again....

I'm about having a young team to grow with and have success

You're about having an old team to fold with creating a mess

I'm sending this line Kayne... haha 3g got mad flow!!!

tkf wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I actually think MDA was trying to get Melo to play the right way. Melo just couldn't make shots and wouldn't try on defense.

I think carmelo missed a great opportunity with MDA...

Vmart wrote:Melo can shoot much as he likes as long as he shoots 50%. But if his shot isn't there than other facets of his game needs to get better. His handle is very weak and passing skills are below average. Next year Melo needs to get better in this area. It's very simple.
1) 50% shooting for the entire season
2) be able to dribble the length of the court at full speed. A keen eye will see that he cannot do this.
3) get better with the passing, get teammates involved.

Vmart wrote:Melo can shoot much as he likes as long as he shoots 50%. But if his shot isn't there than other facets of his game needs to get better. His handle is very weak and passing skills are below average. Next year Melo needs to get better in this area. It's very simple.
1) 50% shooting for the entire season
2) be able to dribble the length of the court at full speed. A keen eye will see that he cannot do this.
3) get better with the passing, get teammates involved.

i put in my two cents last night in the game thread:

1) he needs to improve his scoring efficiency
2) he needs to improve at getting his teammates involved and engaged so they can be more dependable
3) he needs to improve his defense
4) he needs to improve his conditioning so he doesn't fade in the 4th quarters
5) he needs to incorporate more ball and head fakes to draw more fouls
6) he needs to improve his footwork by working with hakeem olajuwon or tim duncan or pau gasol
in sum he needs to learn how to play FOR others.

a lot of common ground in the wish list for this overrated cat.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Vmart wrote:Melo can shoot much as he likes as long as he shoots 50%. But if his shot isn't there than other facets of his game needs to get better. His handle is very weak and passing skills are below average. Next year Melo needs to get better in this area. It's very simple.
1) 50% shooting for the entire season
2) be able to dribble the length of the court at full speed. A keen eye will see that he cannot do this.
3) get better with the passing, get teammates involved.

He's 28 now, though, and he hasn't really improved in anything since his mid 20s and probably not even since his early 20s.

True he is bringing the same bag of tricks year in and year out. He should take a page out of LeBron and Durant it's time for Melo to challenge himself to get to a higher level of play.

dk7th wrote:

Vmart wrote:Melo can shoot much as he likes as long as he shoots 50%. But if his shot isn't there than other facets of his game needs to get better. His handle is very weak and passing skills are below average. Next year Melo needs to get better in this area. It's very simple.
1) 50% shooting for the entire season
2) be able to dribble the length of the court at full speed. A keen eye will see that he cannot do this.
3) get better with the passing, get teammates involved.

i put in my two cents last night in the game thread:

1) he needs to improve his scoring efficiency
2) he needs to improve at getting his teammates involved and engaged so they can be more dependable
3) he needs to improve his defense
4) he needs to improve his conditioning so he doesn't fade in the 4th quarters
5) he needs to incorporate more ball and head fakes to draw more fouls
6) he needs to improve his footwork by working with hakeem olajuwon or tim duncan or pau gasol
in sum he needs to learn how to play FOR others.

a lot of common ground in the wish list for this overrated cat.

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Bonn1997 wrote:

Vmart wrote:Melo can shoot much as he likes as long as he shoots 50%. But if his shot isn't there than other facets of his game needs to get better. His handle is very weak and passing skills are below average. Next year Melo needs to get better in this area. It's very simple.
1) 50% shooting for the entire season
2) be able to dribble the length of the court at full speed. A keen eye will see that he cannot do this.
3) get better with the passing, get teammates involved.

He's 28 now, though, and he hasn't really improved in anything since his mid 20s and probably not even since his early 20s.

He's not changing...Players don't evolve into something different after a decade in the league.... unless 2 conditions take place....

1 - Said player experiences a major injury and recovers from it but has to alter game

2 - Organization forces him to play a different role with the team

He could channel his inner self(which he needs to in the worst way) but he won't

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Vmart wrote:Melo can shoot much as he likes as long as he shoots 50%. But if his shot isn't there than other facets of his game needs to get better. His handle is very weak and passing skills are below average. Next year Melo needs to get better in this area. It's very simple.
1) 50% shooting for the entire season
2) be able to dribble the length of the court at full speed. A keen eye will see that he cannot do this.
3) get better with the passing, get teammates involved.

i put in my two cents last night in the game thread:

1) he needs to improve his scoring efficiency
2) he needs to improve at getting his teammates involved and engaged so they can be more dependable
3) he needs to improve his defense
4) he needs to improve his conditioning so he doesn't fade in the 4th quarters
5) he needs to incorporate more ball and head fakes to draw more fouls
6) he needs to improve his footwork by working with hakeem olajuwon or tim duncan or pau gasol
in sum he needs to learn how to play FOR others.

a lot of common ground in the wish list for this overrated cat.

I think if he has better teammates and gets some calls he has all of those things covered. He already worked with Hakeem and my guess is he revisits that.

Explain which Top 30-50 players in this league this wouldn't apply to?