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nixluva
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5/10/2013  12:20 AM
knickstorrents wrote:I really like Chris Paul as a player but I'm not sure he's the guy we need. We could really use a Kenneth Faried type to help out on the boards against the more physical teams. With Shump back we have a good perimeter defender but we could use another just in case.

What else do you guys think is lacking? I think a motivated Ray Felton is just about ideal for this team, and Prigs seems to do ok too.

It's blasphemy to ever suggest that CP3 isn't the player we need! He's all by himself a player that lifts teams to a higher level. Without him the Clippers are garbage. CP3 makes a huge difference to any team he's on and if he's on this team it likely pushes us over the top. I can't believe it's even a discussion. The problem to me is that getting him here is highly problematic. I just don't see it happening.

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5/10/2013  1:00 AM
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Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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5/10/2013  7:40 AM
Ummm no...Since the new CBA prevents sign and traded for teams over the cap, I don't see how this is even remotely possible.
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5/10/2013  10:06 AM
tj23 wrote:Ummm no...Since the new CBA prevents sign and traded for teams over the cap, I don't see how this is even remotely possible.

It's not teams over the cap, it's teams that are $4M over the luxury tax threshold. Based on the current luxury tax any team with a payroll $74M or more can't perform sign-and-trades. Our payroll for next year is currently $76M which assumes that JR doesn't opt out of his contract and doesn't take into account our 1st rounder this year which will add a little over $1M to our cap figure. It's possible that the salary cap is raised enough that we could perform sign-and-trades next season though if JR opts out and we resign him our cap figure would be around $80M and I can't imagine it would be raised that high.

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5/10/2013  11:04 AM
The only way it happens if the Clippers become convinced Chris Paul is leaving and they are left with the options of trading him and getting something or letting him sign elsewhere and getting nothing. I don't see it happening, but I guess it's possible.

If it were, I don't know what package we could give for him. Ray Felton + Iman Shumpert + two second rounders + two way future first rounders on alternate years + throwaway contracts. I don't know if we really have the assets to get it done. I'm assuming we're not trading Melo, Chandler, Kidd. They probably wouldn't take Amar'e. JR is a free agent, so even knows if he could be included. Very doubtful we could work out something. Not to mention, we'd get destroyed in luxury tax if we go any higher.

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5/10/2013  11:13 AM
Solace wrote:The only way it happens if the Clippers become convinced Chris Paul is leaving and they are left with the options of trading him and getting something or letting him sign elsewhere and getting nothing. I don't see it happening, but I guess it's possible.

If it were, I don't know what package we could give for him. Ray Felton + Iman Shumpert + two second rounders + two way future first rounders on alternate years + throwaway contracts. I don't know if we really have the assets to get it done. I'm assuming we're not trading Melo, Chandler, Kidd. They probably wouldn't take Amar'e. JR is a free agent, so even knows if he could be included. Very doubtful we could work out something. Not to mention, we'd get destroyed in luxury tax if we go any higher.

That won't get it done... honestly Felton and shumpert alone probably can't get you his backup Bledsoe.... plus our future picks will have to be so far in the future I am not sure that the clippers would even consider.. we just don't have the assets to do it.. you can't keep spending assets and expect to pull of deals like this... First of all I am sure Sterling is going to do whatever he can to keep paul and if he trades him, I am sure he is looking for allstar type talent... young allstar talent..

for example.. Paul george and george hill for chris paul

Dru Holliday and Evan Turner plus a first round pick...which would be lottery for the sixers..

that kind of talent is needed to get it done....

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5/10/2013  11:15 AM
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Solace wrote:The only way it happens if the Clippers become convinced Chris Paul is leaving and they are left with the options of trading him and getting something or letting him sign elsewhere and getting nothing. I don't see it happening, but I guess it's possible.

If it were, I don't know what package we could give for him. Ray Felton + Iman Shumpert + two second rounders + two way future first rounders on alternate years + throwaway contracts. I don't know if we really have the assets to get it done. I'm assuming we're not trading Melo, Chandler, Kidd. They probably wouldn't take Amar'e. JR is a free agent, so even knows if he could be included. Very doubtful we could work out something. Not to mention, we'd get destroyed in luxury tax if we go any higher.

That won't get it done... honestly Felton and shumpert alone probably can't get you his backup Bledsoe.... plus our future picks will have to be so far in the future I am not sure that the clippers would even consider.. we just don't have the assets to do it.. you can't keep spending assets and expect to pull of deals like this... First of all I am sure Sterling is going to do whatever he can to keep paul and if he trades him, I am sure he is looking for allstar type talent... young allstar talent..

for example.. Paul george and george hill for chris paul

Dru Holliday and Evan Turner plus a first round pick...which would be lottery for the sixers..

that kind of talent is needed to get it done....

Exactly. I agree. That's what I was saying. That would be our best offer and it's still not enough. The only way they would trade anything to us is if they were desperate because he wanted to leave so badly that they felt he would sign with a team that has cap room over staying. That's extremely unlikely.

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5/10/2013  11:22 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/10/2013  11:24 AM
Solace wrote:
tkf wrote:
Solace wrote:The only way it happens if the Clippers become convinced Chris Paul is leaving and they are left with the options of trading him and getting something or letting him sign elsewhere and getting nothing. I don't see it happening, but I guess it's possible.

If it were, I don't know what package we could give for him. Ray Felton + Iman Shumpert + two second rounders + two way future first rounders on alternate years + throwaway contracts. I don't know if we really have the assets to get it done. I'm assuming we're not trading Melo, Chandler, Kidd. They probably wouldn't take Amar'e. JR is a free agent, so even knows if he could be included. Very doubtful we could work out something. Not to mention, we'd get destroyed in luxury tax if we go any higher.

That won't get it done... honestly Felton and shumpert alone probably can't get you his backup Bledsoe.... plus our future picks will have to be so far in the future I am not sure that the clippers would even consider.. we just don't have the assets to do it.. you can't keep spending assets and expect to pull of deals like this... First of all I am sure Sterling is going to do whatever he can to keep paul and if he trades him, I am sure he is looking for allstar type talent... young allstar talent..

for example.. Paul george and george hill for chris paul

Dru Holliday and Evan Turner plus a first round pick...which would be lottery for the sixers..

that kind of talent is needed to get it done....

Exactly. I agree. That's what I was saying. That would be our best offer and it's still not enough. The only way they would trade anything to us is if they were desperate because he wanted to leave so badly that they felt he would sign with a team that has cap room over staying. That's extremely unlikely.

The Clippers are not in the driver's seat to demand anything...Paul is not under contract...They would do a sign a trade to get some value back for losing him but certainly not equal value...Paul could walk and take less years...Clipped would have to run with Bledsoe who many here tout as being good..This board like high jumpers...

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5/10/2013  11:23 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/10/2013  11:25 AM
holfresh wrote:
Solace wrote:
tkf wrote:
Solace wrote:The only way it happens if the Clippers become convinced Chris Paul is leaving and they are left with the options of trading him and getting something or letting him sign elsewhere and getting nothing. I don't see it happening, but I guess it's possible.

If it were, I don't know what package we could give for him. Ray Felton + Iman Shumpert + two second rounders + two way future first rounders on alternate years + throwaway contracts. I don't know if we really have the assets to get it done. I'm assuming we're not trading Melo, Chandler, Kidd. They probably wouldn't take Amar'e. JR is a free agent, so even knows if he could be included. Very doubtful we could work out something. Not to mention, we'd get destroyed in luxury tax if we go any higher.

That won't get it done... honestly Felton and shumpert alone probably can't get you his backup Bledsoe.... plus our future picks will have to be so far in the future I am not sure that the clippers would even consider.. we just don't have the assets to do it.. you can't keep spending assets and expect to pull of deals like this... First of all I am sure Sterling is going to do whatever he can to keep paul and if he trades him, I am sure he is looking for allstar type talent... young allstar talent..

for example.. Paul george and george hill for chris paul

Dru Holliday and Evan Turner plus a first round pick...which would be lottery for the sixers..

that kind of talent is needed to get it done....

Exactly. I agree. That's what I was saying. That would be our best offer and it's still not enough. The only way they would trade anything to us is if they were desperate because he wanted to leave so badly that they felt he would sign with a team that has cap room over staying. That's extremely unlikely.

The Clippers are not in the driver's seat to demand anything...Paul is not under contract...They would do a sign a trade to get some value back for losing him but certainly not equal value...Paul could walk and take less years...

Well except, that most players are greedy and want the extra guaranteed year and extra money. Chris Paul will be no exception. Additionally, if the Knicks were where he wanted to go, it's a team he couldn't go to without the trade. Those are the two pieces of leverage for the Clippers to demand something in return. But yes, maybe not equal value. How do you get equal value for a top 5 NBA player anyway?

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5/10/2013  11:27 AM
Solace wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Solace wrote:
tkf wrote:
Solace wrote:The only way it happens if the Clippers become convinced Chris Paul is leaving and they are left with the options of trading him and getting something or letting him sign elsewhere and getting nothing. I don't see it happening, but I guess it's possible.

If it were, I don't know what package we could give for him. Ray Felton + Iman Shumpert + two second rounders + two way future first rounders on alternate years + throwaway contracts. I don't know if we really have the assets to get it done. I'm assuming we're not trading Melo, Chandler, Kidd. They probably wouldn't take Amar'e. JR is a free agent, so even knows if he could be included. Very doubtful we could work out something. Not to mention, we'd get destroyed in luxury tax if we go any higher.

That won't get it done... honestly Felton and shumpert alone probably can't get you his backup Bledsoe.... plus our future picks will have to be so far in the future I am not sure that the clippers would even consider.. we just don't have the assets to do it.. you can't keep spending assets and expect to pull of deals like this... First of all I am sure Sterling is going to do whatever he can to keep paul and if he trades him, I am sure he is looking for allstar type talent... young allstar talent..

for example.. Paul george and george hill for chris paul

Dru Holliday and Evan Turner plus a first round pick...which would be lottery for the sixers..

that kind of talent is needed to get it done....

Exactly. I agree. That's what I was saying. That would be our best offer and it's still not enough. The only way they would trade anything to us is if they were desperate because he wanted to leave so badly that they felt he would sign with a team that has cap room over staying. That's extremely unlikely.

The Clippers are not in the driver's seat to demand anything...Paul is not under contract...They would do a sign a trade to get some value back for losing him but certainly not equal value...Paul could walk and take less years...

Well except, that most players are greedy and want the extra guaranteed year and extra money. Chris Paul will be no exception. Additionally, if the Knicks were where he wanted to go, it's a team he couldn't go to without the trade. Those are the two pieces of leverage for the Clippers to demand something in return.

Very true...It's going to be interesting because I think winning a ring for him is equally important ...I don't think Griffin as a max player and Jordan at 10 mil can get it done...Their games are too limited...

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5/10/2013  12:47 PM
Solace wrote:
tkf wrote:
Solace wrote:The only way it happens if the Clippers become convinced Chris Paul is leaving and they are left with the options of trading him and getting something or letting him sign elsewhere and getting nothing. I don't see it happening, but I guess it's possible.

If it were, I don't know what package we could give for him. Ray Felton + Iman Shumpert + two second rounders + two way future first rounders on alternate years + throwaway contracts. I don't know if we really have the assets to get it done. I'm assuming we're not trading Melo, Chandler, Kidd. They probably wouldn't take Amar'e. JR is a free agent, so even knows if he could be included. Very doubtful we could work out something. Not to mention, we'd get destroyed in luxury tax if we go any higher.

That won't get it done... honestly Felton and shumpert alone probably can't get you his backup Bledsoe.... plus our future picks will have to be so far in the future I am not sure that the clippers would even consider.. we just don't have the assets to do it.. you can't keep spending assets and expect to pull of deals like this... First of all I am sure Sterling is going to do whatever he can to keep paul and if he trades him, I am sure he is looking for allstar type talent... young allstar talent..

for example.. Paul george and george hill for chris paul

Dru Holliday and Evan Turner plus a first round pick...which would be lottery for the sixers..

that kind of talent is needed to get it done....

Exactly. I agree. That's what I was saying. That would be our best offer and it's still not enough. The only way they would trade anything to us is if they were desperate because he wanted to leave so badly that they felt he would sign with a team that has cap room over staying. That's extremely unlikely.

yea, chris paul would have to pretty much Direct his way here, even then the clippers would have to play along.. sterling is a funny dude..LOL.. who knows with him..

But honestly there are other teams that are on the cusp of contending that can offer more, and really I am not sure how much paul wants to be here as opposed to any other contending team...

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5/10/2013  12:49 PM
Solace wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Solace wrote:
tkf wrote:
Solace wrote:The only way it happens if the Clippers become convinced Chris Paul is leaving and they are left with the options of trading him and getting something or letting him sign elsewhere and getting nothing. I don't see it happening, but I guess it's possible.

If it were, I don't know what package we could give for him. Ray Felton + Iman Shumpert + two second rounders + two way future first rounders on alternate years + throwaway contracts. I don't know if we really have the assets to get it done. I'm assuming we're not trading Melo, Chandler, Kidd. They probably wouldn't take Amar'e. JR is a free agent, so even knows if he could be included. Very doubtful we could work out something. Not to mention, we'd get destroyed in luxury tax if we go any higher.

That won't get it done... honestly Felton and shumpert alone probably can't get you his backup Bledsoe.... plus our future picks will have to be so far in the future I am not sure that the clippers would even consider.. we just don't have the assets to do it.. you can't keep spending assets and expect to pull of deals like this... First of all I am sure Sterling is going to do whatever he can to keep paul and if he trades him, I am sure he is looking for allstar type talent... young allstar talent..

for example.. Paul george and george hill for chris paul

Dru Holliday and Evan Turner plus a first round pick...which would be lottery for the sixers..

that kind of talent is needed to get it done....

Exactly. I agree. That's what I was saying. That would be our best offer and it's still not enough. The only way they would trade anything to us is if they were desperate because he wanted to leave so badly that they felt he would sign with a team that has cap room over staying. That's extremely unlikely.

The Clippers are not in the driver's seat to demand anything...Paul is not under contract...They would do a sign a trade to get some value back for losing him but certainly not equal value...Paul could walk and take less years...

Well except, that most players are greedy and want the extra guaranteed year and extra money. Chris Paul will be no exception. Additionally, if the Knicks were where he wanted to go, it's a team he couldn't go to without the trade. Those are the two pieces of leverage for the Clippers to demand something in return. But yes, maybe not equal value. How do you get equal value for a top 5 NBA player anyway?

exactly, what the clippers have is that extra money that paul will want, and that's understandable.. and honestly, I am not sure paul wants to even leave the clippers. they have a good team over there..

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5/10/2013  12:53 PM
holfresh wrote:
Solace wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Solace wrote:
tkf wrote:
Solace wrote:The only way it happens if the Clippers become convinced Chris Paul is leaving and they are left with the options of trading him and getting something or letting him sign elsewhere and getting nothing. I don't see it happening, but I guess it's possible.

If it were, I don't know what package we could give for him. Ray Felton + Iman Shumpert + two second rounders + two way future first rounders on alternate years + throwaway contracts. I don't know if we really have the assets to get it done. I'm assuming we're not trading Melo, Chandler, Kidd. They probably wouldn't take Amar'e. JR is a free agent, so even knows if he could be included. Very doubtful we could work out something. Not to mention, we'd get destroyed in luxury tax if we go any higher.

That won't get it done... honestly Felton and shumpert alone probably can't get you his backup Bledsoe.... plus our future picks will have to be so far in the future I am not sure that the clippers would even consider.. we just don't have the assets to do it.. you can't keep spending assets and expect to pull of deals like this... First of all I am sure Sterling is going to do whatever he can to keep paul and if he trades him, I am sure he is looking for allstar type talent... young allstar talent..

for example.. Paul george and george hill for chris paul

Dru Holliday and Evan Turner plus a first round pick...which would be lottery for the sixers..

that kind of talent is needed to get it done....

Exactly. I agree. That's what I was saying. That would be our best offer and it's still not enough. The only way they would trade anything to us is if they were desperate because he wanted to leave so badly that they felt he would sign with a team that has cap room over staying. That's extremely unlikely.

The Clippers are not in the driver's seat to demand anything...Paul is not under contract...They would do a sign a trade to get some value back for losing him but certainly not equal value...Paul could walk and take less years...

Well except, that most players are greedy and want the extra guaranteed year and extra money. Chris Paul will be no exception. Additionally, if the Knicks were where he wanted to go, it's a team he couldn't go to without the trade. Those are the two pieces of leverage for the Clippers to demand something in return.

Very true...It's going to be interesting because I think winning a ring for him is equally important ...I don't think Griffin as a max player and Jordan at 10 mil can get it done...Their games are too limited...

that is fine, but what makes you think he has a better chance in NY over the long run? lets say he stays.. You don't think there is a market out there For Deandre jordan and Blake griffin? lets say the clippers keep paul and move Blake for kevin love.. I mean who knows.. they have a lot of options.. heck I am sure they can get something of value for guys like bledsoe... they are not trapped by any means... I am sure paul will take all of that into account..

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5/10/2013  12:59 PM
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VCoug wrote:Chris Paul in a NYK uniform next year is nearly impossible. The main reason is the new CBA which has a provision that teams that are approx. $4M over the luxury tax threshold can't take part in sign-and-trades; we won't know for sure where we stand until the new salary cap is announced but I'd be very surprised if we weren't over that threshold.

Assuming that we can make sign-and-trades then we have the problem of putting together a package for CP3. Our only realistic assets are our 1st rounder this year in what's supposed to be a terrible draft, future 1st rounders starting in 2018, Shumpert, JR if he opts out and we resign him, a couple of players with $1M non-guaranteed contracts next year, 3M cash, and maybe Felton. Any combination of those assets would be a terrible return for Chris Paul. Terrible.

There's also the problem of matching salaries for any trade for Paul. I believe the max contract that he can sign this Summer will start at around $19M/year; even if he was willing to take a paycut I highly doubt we would sacrifice enough money where we wouldn't have to send back a large salary of our own. That means we'd have to include one of Melo, Tyson, or Amare in a trade. Throw Melo's name out because we're obviously not going to trade him. That leaves Tyson and Amare, two players that the Clippers would have no use for. Oh, and Amare is completely untradable until the Summer of 2015.

Our only realistic scenario would be a multi-team trade where LA gets Shumpert, our 1st rounder, and Felton; we get back CP3 plus cap-filler; and a 3rd team takes Tyson. And we'd have to be giving that up at minimum, there are definitely other teams that could put together a better package than that.

No doubt, that move would be entirely contingent on Paul WANTING to come to the Knicks, which I feel could be a distinct possibility. We don't have any leverage to force the Clippers hand (e.g. cap space we could use to threaten to sign him outright), which makes it all unlikely but not impossible. We've got some solid assets in Tyson Chandler, Iman Shumpert and Raymond Felton that if LAC doesn't want outright, could parlay into assets they do want from a 3rd or 4th team. Just a stab in the dark scenario (on draft night) I thought of:

NYK trades: Amar'e Stoudemire, Raymond Felton, Iman Shumpert, 24th pick(whoever that may be), and $3 million
NYK receives: Chris Paul and a $5 million trade exception

LAC trades: Chris Paul
LAC receives: Kris Humphries, Iman Shumpert, Raymond Felton, Ekpe Udoh, $3 million (from the Knicks)

MIL trades: Ersan Ilyasova, Drew Gooden and Ekpe Udoh
MIL receives: Amar'e Stoudemire, 24th pick, $3 million (from the Nets)

BKN trades: Kris Humphries and $3 million
BKN receives: Ersan Ilyasova and Drew Gooden

The Bucks actually gain financial flexibility by trading for Amare since his contract is shorter than Ilyasova's and Gooden's. They also have the depth at the 4/5 spot between Saunders, Henson, Dalembert, Ayon Przybilla, etc. to absorb Amare's minutes if injuried. I can see this happening if they go all in and re-sign Jennings, Ellis and Redick. Meanwhile, the Nets have shown interest in Ilyasova in the past and have made their desire to trade Humphries public. I also think Gooden is still serviceable and fills the backup 4 void they've had on the team (assuming Blatche is the 5). LAC gets shafted but if Paul is determined to leave, its better than nothing especially since they'd get back two bonafide starters in Shumpert and Felton that are young enough to grow with the youth they already have on the team.

That's a terrible trade for Milwaukee and the GM would be fired before the paperwork was completed. Ilyasova is a good, young player making less than $8M/year. Why would they trade him for a player making almost 3X that who hasn't been healthy since the first half of the 2010/11 season? And the 24th pick in a bad draft is not a good enough reason.

I like Ilyasova but he's been woefully inconsistent throughout the season. Remove March and February from the equation and his performance has been far below par, which had prompted trade discussions involving him before the trade deadline. Whether the Bucks would still be open to moving him remains to be seen but if all he'll give you is 2 months of good play, then I can't see why they wouldn't roll the dice on Amar'e who is the superior player. The depth they have at the positions Amar'e plays can more than compensate for him when injured.

And let's not pretend that teams don't trade for/sign injured/injury-prone players. Unfortunately most of the examples I can think of involve the Knicks (e.g. Antonio McDyess, Amar'e Stoudemire, Eddy Curry, Quentin Richardson, etc.)but there are other, more recent examples. The Warriors traded for Andrew Bogut, who much like Amare, has missed nearly as many games as he's played in. It seems that if a franchise feels they are close enough to being a competitive team, they'll roll the dice on these type of high risk/high reward trades. Milwaukee seems to think they are that type of team, increasing their payroll by trading for Monta Ellis and JJ Reddick.

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5/10/2013  1:01 PM
Moonangie wrote:We rollin with Ray Ray. We don't need no stinkin starphuck 2.0. Let's see what we got now. If we make it outta the ECF, the heck with CP3.

If we're rolling with Ray Ray, imagine what we'd be able to do with CP3! If he was on this team, there would be no "if" we make it outta the ECF, it would be "when". We'd have to give up multiple players in our rotation but Grunwald has shown to be more than capable of bringing in solid role players to fill in the gaps.

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5/10/2013  1:06 PM
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tj23 wrote:Ummm no...Since the new CBA prevents sign and traded for teams over the cap, I don't see how this is even remotely possible.

It's not teams over the cap, it's teams that are $4M over the luxury tax threshold. Based on the current luxury tax any team with a payroll $74M or more can't perform sign-and-trades. Our payroll for next year is currently $76M which assumes that JR doesn't opt out of his contract and doesn't take into account our 1st rounder this year which will add a little over $1M to our cap figure. It's possible that the salary cap is raised enough that we could perform sign-and-trades next season though if JR opts out and we resign him our cap figure would be around $80M and I can't imagine it would be raised that high.

But JR is definitely going to be opting out of his contract, which would effectively take us below the $74 million threshold. If CP3 is intent on leaving LAC, could we trade for him AND then retain Smith's Bird Rights to offer him $5 million/yr?

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5/10/2013  1:11 PM
tkf wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Solace wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Solace wrote:
tkf wrote:
Solace wrote:The only way it happens if the Clippers become convinced Chris Paul is leaving and they are left with the options of trading him and getting something or letting him sign elsewhere and getting nothing. I don't see it happening, but I guess it's possible.

If it were, I don't know what package we could give for him. Ray Felton + Iman Shumpert + two second rounders + two way future first rounders on alternate years + throwaway contracts. I don't know if we really have the assets to get it done. I'm assuming we're not trading Melo, Chandler, Kidd. They probably wouldn't take Amar'e. JR is a free agent, so even knows if he could be included. Very doubtful we could work out something. Not to mention, we'd get destroyed in luxury tax if we go any higher.

That won't get it done... honestly Felton and shumpert alone probably can't get you his backup Bledsoe.... plus our future picks will have to be so far in the future I am not sure that the clippers would even consider.. we just don't have the assets to do it.. you can't keep spending assets and expect to pull of deals like this... First of all I am sure Sterling is going to do whatever he can to keep paul and if he trades him, I am sure he is looking for allstar type talent... young allstar talent..

for example.. Paul george and george hill for chris paul

Dru Holliday and Evan Turner plus a first round pick...which would be lottery for the sixers..

that kind of talent is needed to get it done....

Exactly. I agree. That's what I was saying. That would be our best offer and it's still not enough. The only way they would trade anything to us is if they were desperate because he wanted to leave so badly that they felt he would sign with a team that has cap room over staying. That's extremely unlikely.

The Clippers are not in the driver's seat to demand anything...Paul is not under contract...They would do a sign a trade to get some value back for losing him but certainly not equal value...Paul could walk and take less years...

Well except, that most players are greedy and want the extra guaranteed year and extra money. Chris Paul will be no exception. Additionally, if the Knicks were where he wanted to go, it's a team he couldn't go to without the trade. Those are the two pieces of leverage for the Clippers to demand something in return.

Very true...It's going to be interesting because I think winning a ring for him is equally important ...I don't think Griffin as a max player and Jordan at 10 mil can get it done...Their games are too limited...

that is fine, but what makes you think he has a better chance in NY over the long run? lets say he stays.. You don't think there is a market out there For Deandre jordan and Blake griffin? lets say the clippers keep paul and move Blake for kevin love.. I mean who knows.. they have a lot of options.. heck I am sure they can get something of value for guys like bledsoe... they are not trapped by any means... I am sure paul will take all of that into account..

Touche. That's a helluva point. Its why that even as an optimist of this happening, I know that its extremely unlikely.

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5/10/2013  1:21 PM
NardDogNation wrote:I like Ilyasova but he's been woefully inconsistent throughout the season. Remove March and February from the equation and his performance has been far below par, which had prompted trade discussions involving him before the trade deadline. Whether the Bucks would still be open to moving him remains to be seen but if all he'll give you is 2 months of good play, then I can't see why they wouldn't roll the dice on Amar'e who is the superior player. The depth they have at the positions Amar'e plays can more than compensate for him when injured.

And let's not pretend that teams don't trade for/sign injured/injury-prone players. Unfortunately most of the examples I can think of involve the Knicks (e.g. Antonio McDyess, Amar'e Stoudemire, Eddy Curry, Quentin Richardson, etc.)but there are other, more recent examples. The Warriors traded for Andrew Bogut, who much like Amare, has missed nearly as many games as he's played in. It seems that if a franchise feels they are close enough to being a competitive team, they'll roll the dice on these type of high risk/high reward trades. Milwaukee seems to think they are that type of team, increasing their payroll by trading for Monta Ellis and JJ Reddick.

But why would they trade a guy who's been inconsistent for one season for a guy who's been inconsistent for multiple seasons and makes almost 3X as much?

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VCoug wrote:
tj23 wrote:Ummm no...Since the new CBA prevents sign and traded for teams over the cap, I don't see how this is even remotely possible.

It's not teams over the cap, it's teams that are $4M over the luxury tax threshold. Based on the current luxury tax any team with a payroll $74M or more can't perform sign-and-trades. Our payroll for next year is currently $76M which assumes that JR doesn't opt out of his contract and doesn't take into account our 1st rounder this year which will add a little over $1M to our cap figure. It's possible that the salary cap is raised enough that we could perform sign-and-trades next season though if JR opts out and we resign him our cap figure would be around $80M and I can't imagine it would be raised that high.

But JR is definitely going to be opting out of his contract, which would effectively take us below the $74 million threshold. If CP3 is intent on leaving LAC, could we trade for him AND then retain Smith's Bird Rights to offer him $5 million/yr?

No, any Early Bird/Bird free agent creates a cap hold for his team based on his last contract. We would have to renounce our rights to him and try to resign him using the tax-payer MLE. But, teams that use the tax-payer MLE aren't allowed to perform sign-and-trades, it's either/or.

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5/10/2013  1:41 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/10/2013  1:42 PM
VCoug wrote:But why would they trade a guy who's been inconsistent for one season for a guy who's been inconsistent for multiple seasons and makes almost 3X as much?

I don't think Amar'e has been inconsistent per say. He's been injured, which has made it difficult for him to establish chemistry with Carmelo. At the same time, he's still capable of putting up 20ppg and 8rpg on 50%+ shooting. He looked pretty good this season, however short it may have been. That Amar'e is far better than Ilyasova and is also a leader, which that Bucks team lacks.


VCoug wrote:No, any Early Bird/Bird free agent creates a cap hold for his team based on his last contract. We would have to renounce our rights to him and try to resign him using the tax-payer MLE. But, teams that use the tax-payer MLE aren't allowed to perform sign-and-trades, it's either/or.

The trade I proposed saves the Knicks $5 million. So if the trade was made as proposed, it would actually take us below the luxury tax threshold at about $69 million. With the cap hold, it would put us at about $73 million, which is still below the $74 million apron. What then?

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5/10/2013  2:45 PM
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knickstorrents wrote:I really like Chris Paul as a player but I'm not sure he's the guy we need. We could really use a Kenneth Faried type to help out on the boards against the more physical teams. With Shump back we have a good perimeter defender but we could use another just in case.

What else do you guys think is lacking? I think a motivated Ray Felton is just about ideal for this team, and Prigs seems to do ok too.

It's blasphemy to ever suggest that CP3 isn't the player we need! He's all by himself a player that lifts teams to a higher level. Without him the Clippers are garbage. CP3 makes a huge difference to any team he's on and if he's on this team it likely pushes us over the top. I can't believe it's even a discussion. The problem to me is that getting him here is highly problematic. I just don't see it happening.

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