ChuckBuck wrote:Someone from Denver is lining those voters pockets lately.

First Karl(undeservedly) now Ujiri(undeservedly).

http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_23202657/masai-ujiri-be-named-nba-executive-year-nuggets

Where's the Grunwald love? All Ujiri did was trade for Iguodala and draft Fournier.

You're kidding me right? Let's go through these points 1 by 1.

Glenn Grunwald did the following this season:

-Extend Mike Woodson

You don't get credit for resigning people already on the team, that's ridiculous.

-Made the tough decision to pass on Jeremy Lin, and sign Ray Felton

I am so, so, so tired of explaining this. Resigning Lin would not have stopped us from doing anything else we did this offseason, nothing. The only thing resigning Lin would have cost is Dolan's money and a roster spot, so like, James White wouldn't be on the team.

-Sign Jason Kidd, veteran of veterans

Kidd's basically been a negative presence on the court since January.

-Re-sign JR Smith, 6th Man of the Year

You don't get credit for resigning your own players.

-Sign Pablo Prigioni, starting point guard

OK

-Re-sign Steve Novak, floor spacer

You don't get credit for resigning your own players. Also, is anyone here happy about paying Novak $4M/year to do basically nothing?

-Sign K-Mart, integral paint defender

He resisted signing Martin for as long as possible and only did it after we were pretty much desperate.

-Sign Rasheed Wallace, 3 to the dome originated here

You're kidding me.

-Sign bench gem, Chris Copeland

Bench gem? He barely played this season.

-Sign Ronnie Brewer, low cost Shumpert insurance for a couple months

A good signing that didn't work out. Brewer was brutal for us and had maybe 5 good games before he was permanently nailed to the end of the bench.

-Sign Kurt Thomas, who probably saved the season

Thomas wasn't signed, he was a throwin to make salaries match in the Felton deal.

-Hired Dave Hopla, shooting coach that helped the team smash 3 pt records

Really? A shooting coach? You're acting pretty desperate.

I'm sure there's more but there really is no comparison.

The only players we brought in that made a real, positive, tangible, difference for us were Felton, Prigioni, and Martin and Martin only got brought in after we were completely desperate. I don't agree with Ujiri winning it, it should have gone to Morey. Morey signed to RFA, Asik and Lin, whose original teams should have matched and traded for Harden for pennies on the dollar while maintaining enough cap space to go after a max free agent this coming Summer.

VCoug wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Someone from Denver is lining those voters pockets lately.

First Karl(undeservedly) now Ujiri(undeservedly).

http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_23202657/masai-ujiri-be-named-nba-executive-year-nuggets

Where's the Grunwald love? All Ujiri did was trade for Iguodala and draft Fournier.

You're kidding me right? Let's go through these points 1 by 1.

Glenn Grunwald did the following this season:

-Extend Mike Woodson

You don't get credit for resigning people already on the team, that's ridiculous.

-Made the tough decision to pass on Jeremy Lin, and sign Ray Felton

I am so, so, so tired of explaining this. Resigning Lin would not have stopped us from doing anything else we did this offseason, nothing. The only thing resigning Lin would have cost is Dolan's money and a roster spot, so like, James White wouldn't be on the team.

-Sign Jason Kidd, veteran of veterans

Kidd's basically been a negative presence on the court since January.

-Re-sign JR Smith, 6th Man of the Year

You don't get credit for resigning your own players.

-Sign Pablo Prigioni, starting point guard

OK

-Re-sign Steve Novak, floor spacer

You don't get credit for resigning your own players. Also, is anyone here happy about paying Novak $4M/year to do basically nothing?

-Sign K-Mart, integral paint defender

He resisted signing Martin for as long as possible and only did it after we were pretty much desperate.

-Sign Rasheed Wallace, 3 to the dome originated here

You're kidding me.

-Sign bench gem, Chris Copeland

Bench gem? He barely played this season.

-Sign Ronnie Brewer, low cost Shumpert insurance for a couple months

A good signing that didn't work out. Brewer was brutal for us and had maybe 5 good games before he was permanently nailed to the end of the bench.

-Sign Kurt Thomas, who probably saved the season

Thomas wasn't signed, he was a throwin to make salaries match in the Felton deal.

-Hired Dave Hopla, shooting coach that helped the team smash 3 pt records

Really? A shooting coach? You're acting pretty desperate.

I'm sure there's more but there really is no comparison.

The only players we brought in that made a real, positive, tangible, difference for us were Felton, Prigioni, and Martin and Martin only got brought in after we were completely desperate. I don't agree with Ujiri winning it, it should have gone to Morey. Morey signed to RFA, Asik and Lin, whose original teams should have matched and traded for Harden for pennies on the dollar while maintaining enough cap space to go after a max free agent this coming Summer.

That's your opinion and you're entitled to it. If it's any consolation, both Morey and Grunwald were finalists in the voting.

At least we both agree with it shouldn't have been Ujiri.

VCoug wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

VCoug wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Someone from Denver is lining those voters pockets lately.

First Karl(undeservedly) now Ujiri(undeservedly).

http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_23202657/masai-ujiri-be-named-nba-executive-year-nuggets

Where's the Grunwald love? All Ujiri did was trade for Iguodala and draft Fournier.

You're kidding me right? Let's go through these points 1 by 1.

Glenn Grunwald did the following this season:

-Extend Mike Woodson

You don't get credit for resigning people already on the team, that's ridiculous.

-Made the tough decision to pass on Jeremy Lin, and sign Ray Felton

I am so, so, so tired of explaining this. Resigning Lin would not have stopped us from doing anything else we did this offseason, nothing. The only thing resigning Lin would have cost is Dolan's money and a roster spot, so like, James White wouldn't be on the team.

-Sign Jason Kidd, veteran of veterans

Kidd's basically been a negative presence on the court since January.

-Re-sign JR Smith, 6th Man of the Year

You don't get credit for resigning your own players.

-Sign Pablo Prigioni, starting point guard

OK

-Re-sign Steve Novak, floor spacer

You don't get credit for resigning your own players. Also, is anyone here happy about paying Novak $4M/year to do basically nothing?

-Sign K-Mart, integral paint defender

He resisted signing Martin for as long as possible and only did it after we were pretty much desperate.

-Sign Rasheed Wallace, 3 to the dome originated here

You're kidding me.

-Sign bench gem, Chris Copeland

Bench gem? He barely played this season.

-Sign Ronnie Brewer, low cost Shumpert insurance for a couple months

A good signing that didn't work out. Brewer was brutal for us and had maybe 5 good games before he was permanently nailed to the end of the bench.

-Sign Kurt Thomas, who probably saved the season

Thomas wasn't signed, he was a throwin to make salaries match in the Felton deal.

-Hired Dave Hopla, shooting coach that helped the team smash 3 pt records

Really? A shooting coach? You're acting pretty desperate.

I'm sure there's more but there really is no comparison.

The only players we brought in that made a real, positive, tangible, difference for us were Felton, Prigioni, and Martin and Martin only got brought in after we were completely desperate. I don't agree with Ujiri winning it, it should have gone to Morey. Morey signed to RFA, Asik and Lin, whose original teams should have matched and traded for Harden for pennies on the dollar while maintaining enough cap space to go after a max free agent this coming Summer.

That's your opinion and you're entitled to it. If it's any consolation, both Morey and Grunwald were finalists in the voting.

At least we both agree with it shouldn't have been Ujiri.

Definitely not Ujiri. http://www.prosportstransactions.com/basketball/Search/SearchResults.php?Player=&Team=Nuggets&BeginDate=2012-06-01&EndDate=2013-05-09&PlayerMovementChkBx=yes&submit=Search That's a list of everything he did this year, what exactly am I supposed to be impressed by other than Iguodala? He wouldn't have made my top 5 and maybe not even my top 10.

Definitely on the same page on this one. Great find on that link.

Voters botched this year for sure. Since it feels like a 2 or 3 year award, maybe Grunny will win it next year!

Nalod wrote:Poor chuckbuck just getting shyt on with the Denver "miricle"!

Only one things counts, the knicks are 1-1 in semi's.

The rest is window dressing.

It's okay Nalod, I think Billy King got a vote for Executive of the Year.

That's a good looking dog.

TeamBall wrote:Wow Grunwald got robbed (maybe even Morey as well). The only thing I can think of is that maybe COY and Exec of the year go hand and hand? Idk..even then it still seems stupid.

The problem with Grunwald is the Knicks media policy has him saying nothing... ever. So it's very hard to know what he really has done vs. Dolan, Woodson, etc... In general, I think Grunwald deserves a lot of credit, but to be honest, he needs to speak once and a while and take credit for his achievements. With the silence, for all we know, Isiah could really be the GM and Grunwald is simply the silent figurehead who is there to throw us off the scent.

If Grunwald would talk once in a while, I think he wins the award easily.

For the record, I think Mark Jackson/Kevin McHale (especially with his daughter dying)/Tom Thibodeau (no Rose and still this good? crazy; we never should've forced him out of New York) deserved the Coach of the Year and that Darryl Morey deserved Executive of the Year (Lord knows he's ****ed this franchise more than once; man's a genius in spite of the Lin signing, lol).

Nalod wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:I think both Ujiri and Karl did an excellent job this season but I don't consider either to be the best candidates for the award. The COY and EOY are generally given to individuals that have made a sizable improvement from one season to another. This edition of the Nuggets (aka the post-Melo Nuggets), however, has been a proven product since 2010. There is no doubt that Ujiri and Karl are deserving of recognition but them winning spits in the face of guys who have never won the award like Phil Jackson, Jerry Sloan, etc.

For the record, I think Mark Jackson/Kevin McHale (especially with his daughter dying)/Tom Thibodeau (no Rose and still this good? crazy; we never should've forced him out of New York) deserved the Coach of the Year and that Darryl Morey deserved Executive of the Year (Lord knows he's ****ed this franchise more than once; man's a genius in spite of the Lin signing, lol).

Again, its very subjective. Again, its regular season so Thibs don't get that much consideration.

Past winners:

1962–63 Gallatin, HarryHarry Gallatin United States St. Louis Hawks 48–32 .600
1963–64 Hannum, AlexAlex Hannum* United States San Francisco Warriors 48–32 .600
1964–65 Auerbach, RedRed Auerbach*[a] United States Boston Celtics 62–18 .775
1965–66 Schayes, DolphDolph Schayes United States Philadelphia 76ers 55–25 .688
1966–67 Kerr, JohnnyJohnny Kerr United States Chicago Bulls 33–48 .407
1967–68 Guerin, RichieRichie Guerin United States St. Louis Hawks 56–26 .683
1968–69 Shue, GeneGene Shue United States Baltimore Bullets 57–25 .695
1969–70 Holzman, RedRed Holzman*[a] United States New York Knicks 60–22 .732
1970–71 Motta, DickDick Motta United States Chicago Bulls 51–31 .622
1971–72 Sharman, BillBill Sharman* United States Los Angeles Lakers 69–13 .841
1972–73 Heinsohn, TomTom Heinsohn United States Boston Celtics 68–14 .829
1973–74 Scott, RayRay Scott United States Detroit Pistons 52–30 .634
1974–75 Johnson, PhilPhil Johnson United States Kansas City-Omaha Kings 44–38 .537
1975–76 Fitch, BillBill Fitch[a] United States Cleveland Cavaliers 49–33 .598
1976–77 Nissalke, TomTom Nissalke United States Houston Rockets 49–33 .598
1977–78 Brown, HubieHubie Brown United States Atlanta Hawks 41–41 .500
1978–79 Fitzsimmons, CottonCotton Fitzsimmons United States Kansas City Kings 48–34 .585
1979–80 Fitch, BillBill Fitch[a] (2) United States Boston Celtics 61–21 .744
1980–81 McKinney, JackJack McKinney United States Indiana Pacers 44–38 .537
1981–82 Shue, GeneGene Shue (2) United States Washington Bullets 43–39 .524
1982–83 Nelson, DonDon Nelson*[a] United States Milwaukee Bucks 51–31 .622
1983–84 Layden, FrankFrank Layden United States Utah Jazz 45–37 .549
1984–85 Nelson, DonDon Nelson*[a] (2) United States Milwaukee Bucks 59–23 .720
1985–86 Fratello, MikeMike Fratello United States Atlanta Hawks 50–32 .610
1986–87 Schuler, MikeMike Schuler United States Portland Trail Blazers 49–33 .598
1987–88 Moe, DougDoug Moe United States Denver Nuggets 54–28 .659
1988–89 Fitzsimmons, CottonCotton Fitzsimmons (2) United States Phoenix Suns 55–27 .671
1989–90 Riley, PatPat Riley*[a] United States Los Angeles Lakers 63–19 .768
1990–91 Chaney, DonDon Chaney United States Houston Rockets 52–30 .634
1991–92 Nelson, DonDon Nelson*[a] (3) United States Golden State Warriors 55–27 .671
1992–93 Riley, PatPat Riley*[a] (2) United States New York Knicks 60–22 .732
1993–94 Wilkens, LennyLenny Wilkens*[a] United States Atlanta Hawks 57–25 .695
1994–95 Harris, DelDel Harris United States Los Angeles Lakers 48–34 .585
1995–96 Jackson, PhilPhil Jackson*[a] United States Chicago Bulls 72–10 .878
1996–97 Riley, PatPat Riley*[a] (3) United States Miami Heat 61–21 .744
1997–98 Bird, LarryLarry Bird United States Indiana Pacers 58–24 .707
1998–99 Dunleavy, MikeMike Dunleavy United States Portland Trail Blazers 35–15 .700
1999–00 Rivers, DocDoc Rivers^ United States Orlando Magic 41–41 .500
2000–01 Brown, LarryLarry Brown*^ United States Philadelphia 76ers 56–26 .683
2001–02 Carlisle, RickRick Carlisle^ United States Detroit Pistons 50–32 .610
2002–03 Popovich, GreggGregg Popovich^ United States San Antonio Spurs 60–22 .732
2003–04 Brown, HubieHubie Brown (2) United States Memphis Grizzlies 50–32 .610
2004–05 D'Antoni, MikeMike D'Antoni^ United States[b] Phoenix Suns 62–20 .756
2005–06 Johnson, AveryAvery Johnson United States Dallas Mavericks 60–22 .732
2006–07 Mitchell, SamSam Mitchell United States Toronto Raptors 47–35 .573
2007–08 Scott, ByronByron Scott United States New Orleans Hornets 56–26 .683
2008–09 Brown, MikeMike Brown^ United States Cleveland Cavaliers 66–16 .805
2009–10 Brooks, ScottScott Brooks^ United States Oklahoma City Thunder 50–32 .610
2010–11 Thibodeau, TomTom Thibodeau^ United States Chicago Bulls 62–20 .756
2011–12 Popovich, GreggGregg Popovich^ (2) United States San Antonio Spurs 50–16 .758
2012–13 Karl, GeorgeGeorge Karl^ United States Denver Nuggets 57–25 .695

No doubt that this is usually a popularity contest, which is unfortunate, but how does this list prove that its subjective? The names from recent memory all fit the profile I pointed out.

Nalod wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Nalod wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:I think both Ujiri and Karl did an excellent job this season but I don't consider either to be the best candidates for the award. The COY and EOY are generally given to individuals that have made a sizable improvement from one season to another. This edition of the Nuggets (aka the post-Melo Nuggets), however, has been a proven product since 2010. There is no doubt that Ujiri and Karl are deserving of recognition but them winning spits in the face of guys who have never won the award like Phil Jackson, Jerry Sloan, etc.

For the record, I think Mark Jackson/Kevin McHale (especially with his daughter dying)/Tom Thibodeau (no Rose and still this good? crazy; we never should've forced him out of New York) deserved the Coach of the Year and that Darryl Morey deserved Executive of the Year (Lord knows he's ****ed this franchise more than once; man's a genius in spite of the Lin signing, lol).

Again, its very subjective. Again, its regular season so Thibs don't get that much consideration.

Past winners:

1962–63 Gallatin, HarryHarry Gallatin United States St. Louis Hawks 48–32 .600
1963–64 Hannum, AlexAlex Hannum* United States San Francisco Warriors 48–32 .600
1964–65 Auerbach, RedRed Auerbach*[a] United States Boston Celtics 62–18 .775
1965–66 Schayes, DolphDolph Schayes United States Philadelphia 76ers 55–25 .688
1966–67 Kerr, JohnnyJohnny Kerr United States Chicago Bulls 33–48 .407
1967–68 Guerin, RichieRichie Guerin United States St. Louis Hawks 56–26 .683
1968–69 Shue, GeneGene Shue United States Baltimore Bullets 57–25 .695
1969–70 Holzman, RedRed Holzman*[a] United States New York Knicks 60–22 .732
1970–71 Motta, DickDick Motta United States Chicago Bulls 51–31 .622
1971–72 Sharman, BillBill Sharman* United States Los Angeles Lakers 69–13 .841
1972–73 Heinsohn, TomTom Heinsohn United States Boston Celtics 68–14 .829
1973–74 Scott, RayRay Scott United States Detroit Pistons 52–30 .634
1974–75 Johnson, PhilPhil Johnson United States Kansas City-Omaha Kings 44–38 .537
1975–76 Fitch, BillBill Fitch[a] United States Cleveland Cavaliers 49–33 .598
1976–77 Nissalke, TomTom Nissalke United States Houston Rockets 49–33 .598
1977–78 Brown, HubieHubie Brown United States Atlanta Hawks 41–41 .500
1978–79 Fitzsimmons, CottonCotton Fitzsimmons United States Kansas City Kings 48–34 .585
1979–80 Fitch, BillBill Fitch[a] (2) United States Boston Celtics 61–21 .744
1980–81 McKinney, JackJack McKinney United States Indiana Pacers 44–38 .537
1981–82 Shue, GeneGene Shue (2) United States Washington Bullets 43–39 .524
1982–83 Nelson, DonDon Nelson*[a] United States Milwaukee Bucks 51–31 .622
1983–84 Layden, FrankFrank Layden United States Utah Jazz 45–37 .549
1984–85 Nelson, DonDon Nelson*[a] (2) United States Milwaukee Bucks 59–23 .720
1985–86 Fratello, MikeMike Fratello United States Atlanta Hawks 50–32 .610
1986–87 Schuler, MikeMike Schuler United States Portland Trail Blazers 49–33 .598
1987–88 Moe, DougDoug Moe United States Denver Nuggets 54–28 .659
1988–89 Fitzsimmons, CottonCotton Fitzsimmons (2) United States Phoenix Suns 55–27 .671
1989–90 Riley, PatPat Riley*[a] United States Los Angeles Lakers 63–19 .768
1990–91 Chaney, DonDon Chaney United States Houston Rockets 52–30 .634
1991–92 Nelson, DonDon Nelson*[a] (3) United States Golden State Warriors 55–27 .671
1992–93 Riley, PatPat Riley*[a] (2) United States New York Knicks 60–22 .732
1993–94 Wilkens, LennyLenny Wilkens*[a] United States Atlanta Hawks 57–25 .695
1994–95 Harris, DelDel Harris United States Los Angeles Lakers 48–34 .585
1995–96 Jackson, PhilPhil Jackson*[a] United States Chicago Bulls 72–10 .878
1996–97 Riley, PatPat Riley*[a] (3) United States Miami Heat 61–21 .744
1997–98 Bird, LarryLarry Bird United States Indiana Pacers 58–24 .707
1998–99 Dunleavy, MikeMike Dunleavy United States Portland Trail Blazers 35–15 .700
1999–00 Rivers, DocDoc Rivers^ United States Orlando Magic 41–41 .500
2000–01 Brown, LarryLarry Brown*^ United States Philadelphia 76ers 56–26 .683
2001–02 Carlisle, RickRick Carlisle^ United States Detroit Pistons 50–32 .610
2002–03 Popovich, GreggGregg Popovich^ United States San Antonio Spurs 60–22 .732
2003–04 Brown, HubieHubie Brown (2) United States Memphis Grizzlies 50–32 .610
2004–05 D'Antoni, MikeMike D'Antoni^ United States[b] Phoenix Suns 62–20 .756
2005–06 Johnson, AveryAvery Johnson United States Dallas Mavericks 60–22 .732
2006–07 Mitchell, SamSam Mitchell United States Toronto Raptors 47–35 .573
2007–08 Scott, ByronByron Scott United States New Orleans Hornets 56–26 .683
2008–09 Brown, MikeMike Brown^ United States Cleveland Cavaliers 66–16 .805
2009–10 Brooks, ScottScott Brooks^ United States Oklahoma City Thunder 50–32 .610
2010–11 Thibodeau, TomTom Thibodeau^ United States Chicago Bulls 62–20 .756
2011–12 Popovich, GreggGregg Popovich^ (2) United States San Antonio Spurs 50–16 .758
2012–13 Karl, GeorgeGeorge Karl^ United States Denver Nuggets 57–25 .695

No doubt that this is usually a popularity contest, which is unfortunate, but how does this list prove that its subjective? The names from recent memory all fit the profile I pointed out.

PHil Jax only has one COY award. Same as Byron Scott.

Because Phil Jackson has always been considered a favorite to win the title every year he's coached, with exception to the very first year he coached the Bulls and the 2007-2008 Lakers. That doesn't fit the mandate of their being a sizable improvement from year A to year B that I mentioned earlier. And as good as a coach as Bryon Scott has been, I don't think he's ever been COY material aside from the one year when they acquired Tyson Chandler.

Maybe next year Grunny!