Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I don't think we trade with the Rockets for many years- think they're in Dolan bad books

That's a good point. Frankly, I wouldn't want to make a trade with Morey. You shouldn't make a trade with someone smarter than you. It's like trying to fight a bear.

he is not perfect. You still don't know if Robinson was a good move or Lin and White.

Of course he's not perfect but those are all pretty minor moves. Houston is not in the luxury tax and 3 years $25 mil is a reasonable gamble for Lin. Don't forget that they cleared cap space to try to get Dwight Howard and once that didn't work, Lin and Asik were the best options left. I'm not sure what he had in mind with the Patterson move. That one surprised me. Maybe he didn't want to pay Patterson when his rookie deal expired, although I doubt Patterson would have gotten that much. Who is White?

It's not just gambling on Lin it's gambling on Lin when you had a PG already in house. He went for a the fan fare but it could still work out who knows. I think Dragic is slightly better and cost slightly less. Asik was smart. As a UF fan I love the Parson pick and picking him over Budinger. Royce White. How bad a pick is it when you don't remember the player? I guess the just really wanted Robinson before the draft and tried to get the 5th pick.

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I don't think we trade with the Rockets for many years- think they're in Dolan bad books

That's a good point. Frankly, I wouldn't want to make a trade with Morey. You shouldn't make a trade with someone smarter than you. It's like trying to fight a bear.

he is not perfect. You still don't know if Robinson was a good move or Lin and White.

Of course he's not perfect but those are all pretty minor moves. Houston is not in the luxury tax and 3 years $25 mil is a reasonable gamble for Lin. Don't forget that they cleared cap space to try to get Dwight Howard and once that didn't work, Lin and Asik were the best options left. I'm not sure what he had in mind with the Patterson move. That one surprised me. Maybe he didn't want to pay Patterson when his rookie deal expired, although I doubt Patterson would have gotten that much. Who is White?

It's not just gambling on Lin it's gambling on Lin when you had a PG already in house. He went for a the fan fare but it could still work out who knows. I think Dragic is slightly better and cost slightly less. Asik was smart. As a UF fan I love the Parson pick and picking him over Budinger. Royce White. How bad a pick is it when you don't remember the player? I guess the just really wanted Robinson before the draft and tried to get the 5th pick.

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I don't think we trade with the Rockets for many years- think they're in Dolan bad books

That's a good point. Frankly, I wouldn't want to make a trade with Morey. You shouldn't make a trade with someone smarter than you. It's like trying to fight a bear.

he is not perfect. You still don't know if Robinson was a good move or Lin and White.

Of course he's not perfect but those are all pretty minor moves. Houston is not in the luxury tax and 3 years $25 mil is a reasonable gamble for Lin. Don't forget that they cleared cap space to try to get Dwight Howard and once that didn't work, Lin and Asik were the best options left. I'm not sure what he had in mind with the Patterson move. That one surprised me. Maybe he didn't want to pay Patterson when his rookie deal expired, although I doubt Patterson would have gotten that much. Who is White?

It's not just gambling on Lin it's gambling on Lin when you had a PG already in house. He went for a the fan fare but it could still work out who knows. I think Dragic is slightly better and cost slightly less. Asik was smart. As a UF fan I love the Parson pick and picking him over Budinger. Royce White. How bad a pick is it when you don't remember the player? I guess the just really wanted Robinson before the draft and tried to get the 5th pick.

But they couldn't have signed Dragic if they wanted room for Dwight. That was my point. They made the most out of a bad situation when missing out on Dwight - they got the best available PG and C in Lin and Asik.

Why is that? They would have had room with Dragic.

You mean room to keep Dragic and fit Howard's $19 mil within the cap? I don't think that's correct. Are you sure?

From what I've seen of Lamb's collegiate career and of his time in the D-league, he has the talent to have that kind of success if given an opportunity at the two spot. More importantly, he fulfills a need for us as an excellent shooter, with the skills to move without the ball, create his own shot from distance or at the rim. Unlike most shooters, Lamb possesses the tools (length and foot speed) to be a pretty effective defender but needs to strengthen his upper torso to prevent himself from being bodied up.

I think our 24th pick and $1.5-$2 million cash to OKC should get the job done. It seems like OKC and Kevin Martin will come to some kind of agreement that will effectively make Lamb expendable. The 24th pick allows them to upgrade their 2nd or 3rd string at a weaker position, at a cheaper price that is subsidized by the incoming cash. What do you guys think?

Also, as much as I like Greg Smith, I don't think he's going anywhere. Besides, we actually have two big guys I'd love to bring back that can have a similar impact if developed properly: Josh Harrellson and Jerome Jordan (in that order).

P.S., the tag "NardDog" came about as a spoof during my college years. My friends were big fans of the Office and the character Andy Bernard. My last name is Bernard as well so I guess it just kinda stuck.

BRIGGS wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:I don't see Morey getting below market value for Greg Smith, which IMHO is more than a late first rounder in a weak draft. The fact that Smith will command a healthy pay raise might force his hand a bit but I think he's too cunning to not maintain the upperhand. Personally, I don't think there has been a single trade or drafting that Morey has played wrong and I don't expect that to change with the Smith situation; that sabremetrics stuff is incredible. How would you sweeten the pot for Greg Smith? How would you sweeten the pot for Jeremy Lamb?

P.S., the tag "NardDog" came about as a spoof during my college years. My friends were big fans of the Office and the character Andy Bernard. My last name is Bernard as well so I guess it just kinda stuck.

I dont think the Rockets are as hot on Smith(a back up C) as they are their 4's Jones Robinson and Montesaus(sp) because I believe they love Asik and I believe they may go after Howard. Smith is much more of a % and would be a help here and a long term solution at 5---with a new core of Shumpert Smith etc... to have in place. I would not trade Jeremy Lamb for a draft pick--it makes no sense. He would be a top 3 pick in this draft if he stayed in school why would I trade that for a 24? Other than Olynck and Trey Burke I think Id like to have Lamb next.

But Howard to the Rockets is far from a guarantee; some would even say that it is improbable (although that definitely wouldn't be me). If they strike out and miss signing him, do you still think that they will look to preserve their cap space or to re-invest in what they already have?

As for the Jeremy Lamb trade, I get what you're saying. At the same time, the Thunder don't necessarily need a rotation player from that trade, only a warm body that will help fill out the roster. The 24th pick fits that bill and is advantageous because you can lock the individual in inexpensively (at the rough equivalent of the veteran's minimum) for 3-4 years, which is especially important as they near the luxury tax threshold. The flip side of that coin is that their reluctance to showcase Lamb makes him entirely unproven on an NBA stage. Potential is nice but if a player can't demonstrate a tangible skillset then they become trade fodder. Just ask Xavier Henry who was also selected 12th in the 2011 draft, who also plays the same position as Lamb and who also has a very similar skillset. For guards, their value is lowered further by the competitive talent available in free agency/waivers. Take Patrick Beverly for instance, who looked like a NBA starter in the playoffs despite him having been bounced out of the league on two different occasions before the season even started.

ChuckBuck wrote:Personally, I think the Knicks should keep the pick. It's not a star studded draft, but the Knicks should get good value, or at least a rotational player from pick 24. Either a PG/SG, a SG/SF, or a C would really help.

For PG/SG, maybe Erick Green:

He can run pick and roll, or create his own shot. Led nation in scoring, so he'd be a terrific addition to our bench.

For SG/SF, maybe Sergey Karasev:

Knockdown 3pt shooter that's also a ball mover on the perimeter. Perfect for our offense. Think Landry Fields with a jumper.

For C, Jeff Withey

Defensive center that doesn't need the ball. Runs the floor extremely well. Rim protector, averaged 4 blocks as a senior. Think 7 foot Birdman without the tats.

Erick Greene is in my top 3 for realistic 24 position Wolters Greene Larkin Id be happy with any of the 3. I think we need a PG and all three are skilled players.

knickstorrents wrote:I'm on board with trying to get Greg Smith... but I don't think Morey will be down.

For this team--the best route will be trading the pick for an existing player. We can all say what we want about draft picks--but this team is all in. Drat picks are unknown assets and the last thing we can afford now is an unknown. The best bet for us in a safe route is to pick for another team and either trade or wait for a S+T. Were not playing a rookie PG there is no big men in this draft---if we really want a guy who might help we could probably pick up a pick in the late 40 early 50 area for a Branden Davies type. I think we need to parlay this pick into a proven NBA resource that is young. Id love to get Gerald Hendersen and let JR Smith walk