dimicech wrote:

Vmart wrote:I agree with you Fishmike, for me superstars shoot 50% or better. That's why I find Bernard King references to Melo' s game laughable. Look LeBron shoots way above 50%, Durant does it too so does Wade. Having purpose with shots is of utmost importance. THAT TO ME DETERMINES GREATNESS. I like Melo I will continue he to root for him to get better. I not going to put this all on him. I believe you win as a team and lose as a team. With that said Woody has to make Melo understand that quality shots is what he is looking for. As for JR I have not faith in him to bring his A game.

Kobe isnt a superstar then?

Evidently not.

misterearl wrote:Mister 45 per cent

dimicech wrote:

Vmart wrote:I agree with you Fishmike, for me superstars shoot 50% or better. That's why I find Bernard King references to Melo' s game laughable. Look LeBron shoots way above 50%, Durant does it too so does Wade. Having purpose with shots is of utmost importance. THAT TO ME DETERMINES GREATNESS. I like Melo I will continue he to root for him to get better. I not going to put this all on him. I believe you win as a team and lose as a team. With that said Woody has to make Melo understand that quality shots is what he is looking for. As for JR I have not faith in him to bring his A game.

Kobe isnt a superstar then?

Nope.

Bonn1997 wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Melo is a beast.

Chris Paul is a beast and he didnt make it out of the first round.

Stars need help. Melo is playing with castaways.

Melo and JR's supporting cast shot .553 from the field yesterday. That's not good enough?!

You obviously dont want Melo taking 28 shots to score 27 points. Melo is still defending and rebounding.

          FGAs
JR Smith  4-15 
Shumpert  4-11
Kidd      0-1
Prigioni  0-1
Felton    8-12
Chandler  2-2

If you call that good I dont know what to tell you.

fishmike wrote:You can see from this thread who sees what in the games. Folks cant stomach reality at times.

This isnt anything new from Melo or JR, This is their career, especially Melo. The reason he shoots 41% for his career in the playoffs is because ever time he shoots 45% there is a game where he 35%.

Then you get the "ooohh lets just blame Melo for everything" crowd or the Melo plays with garbage crowd, or the well if Melo isnt great then neither is Kobe crowd.

Get in the truck donkeys... Dolan is calling for you.

Fact. Our offense is led, built around and based on Melo's scoring. He's playing the 4 because thats where he scores best, and the Knicks NEED two PGs on the floor with him to make this work.

His fanboys like to pretend these 10-30 games dont happen, or because if they happen to Kobe also its OK.

Bottom line:
If Melo can get hot for a month Knicks can compete for a title. If he plays like most of his 9 year career you will see more of the same. Some great games, some impact play and a lot of stretches where he goes 1-9 and terrible shot selection takes us out of games. Watch the tape for yesterday. Forcing shots is how Melo believes he can help his team win. Hopefully tomorrow he hits more than 30%, because these games suck when he sucks. The only things worse than watching Melo shoot 10-30 from the field are the excuses that come from his fanboys.

Maybe I should go visit the Chandler is better than Dwight Howard thread for some good feelings about the future of our team

The frustrating part for me is that Melo has the ability to be better than this, it's all about his willingness to play smarter and less selfish.

fishmike wrote:You can see from this thread who sees what in the games. Folks cant stomach reality at times.

This isnt anything new from Melo or JR, This is their career, especially Melo. The reason he shoots 41% for his career in the playoffs is because ever time he shoots 45% there is a game where he 35%.

Then you get the "ooohh lets just blame Melo for everything" crowd or the Melo plays with garbage crowd, or the well if Melo isnt great then neither is Kobe crowd.

Get in the truck donkeys... Dolan is calling for you.

Fact. Our offense is led, built around and based on Melo's scoring. He's playing the 4 because thats where he scores best, and the Knicks NEED two PGs on the floor with him to make this work.

His fanboys like to pretend these 10-30 games dont happen, or because if they happen to Kobe also its OK.

Bottom line:
If Melo can get hot for a month Knicks can compete for a title. If he plays like most of his 9 year career you will see more of the same. Some great games, some impact play and a lot of stretches where he goes 1-9 and terrible shot selection takes us out of games. Watch the tape for yesterday. Forcing shots is how Melo believes he can help his team win. Hopefully tomorrow he hits more than 30%, because these games suck when he sucks. The only things worse than watching Melo shoot 10-30 from the field are the excuses that come from his fanboys.

Maybe I should go visit the Chandler is better than Dwight Howard thread for some good feelings about the future of our team

woodson has to take some blame for not getting on these guys to have better ball movement. i thought this was part of the reason we brought kidd in, was to take charge of the team when he's out on the court. obviously, it goes on melo when he stops the ball movement (same for jr) but if he's not going to realize what's going on out there, the coach has to step in and make sure he does.

everyone gets on novak for disappearing in the playoffs but part of the reason is because this year (and last year) there has been ZERO knicks ball movement in the playoffs. we all know that novak is never going to create for himself so the ball movement is imperative for him to succeed and always a big part of the knicks offense.

Bippity10 wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:the thing about carmelo's shooting is that he's not taking a ton of awful shots.. he's missing mid-range j's, shots at the rim and obviously his 3-shooting has been way off. there hasn't been alot of times he shoots the ball and im screaming at the tv because he shot it with 4 guys on him, he's just not making anything, wide open or not. it's 4 games though, so you do start to wonder, why can't he hit the broad side of a barn? dude has to get it together and quick.

I'm seeing the opposite. Indiana is collapsing 2 and 3 guys each time he gets it down low. Boston did the same thing because they know he won't pass. Last game he threw his body at Hibbert time after time. Smith did the same thing. The refs weren't calling it. As a player you have to Djust. They didn't adjust. They lost focus. They went to the rim begging to get fouled and lost focus on everything else

This game reminded me of all of the Chicago games this year. Every Chicago game was the same. Double and triple team Carmelo. Beat him up. Get chippy and watch Carmelo, smith and then chandler and Felton lose focus. The more you frustrate Melo the more he forgets his teammates. He averaged 30 shots in the three games

13-34
10-25
14-32

It's not a secret that if you get dirty with Melo he loses(looses for some of you) composure and starts going playground, and turning it into a personal battle with the refs and opposing players.

carmelo looking for contact, not getting it, then complaining 439578times a game is infuriating to watch. totally agree with you about having to adjust, part of that has to be on coaching. the coaching staff isn't noticing this? if they are telling jr and melo and they aren't listening then that's an even bigger problem.

man, i'm going to LOOSE it.

"Say something about his sister..."

MSG3 wrote:Felton really needs to have the ball in his hands coming up the floor every time when they're getting into their sets. He's been our only reliable option getting into the lane. And he's been finishing all playoffs. He needs to be the guy to get Melo out of this funk by setting up easy shots for him. Melo has a confidence issue right now.

Do you not realize Melo and company are having a hard time because we aren't getting good PG play? Felton is looking to get his shot off INSTEAD of setting guys up.

Felton gets to pick his spots since he has the ball in his hands on most plays. Kidd and Prigioni are too old for the Pacer guards.

AnubisADL wrote:

MSG3 wrote:Felton really needs to have the ball in his hands coming up the floor every time when they're getting into their sets. He's been our only reliable option getting into the lane. And he's been finishing all playoffs. He needs to be the guy to get Melo out of this funk by setting up easy shots for him. Melo has a confidence issue right now.

Do you not realize Melo and company are having a hard time because we aren't getting good PG play? Felton is looking to get his shot off INSTEAD of setting guys up.

Felton gets to pick his spots since he has the ball in his hands on most plays. Kidd and Prigioni are too old for the Pacer guards.

really??

tkf wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

MSG3 wrote:Felton really needs to have the ball in his hands coming up the floor every time when they're getting into their sets. He's been our only reliable option getting into the lane. And he's been finishing all playoffs. He needs to be the guy to get Melo out of this funk by setting up easy shots for him. Melo has a confidence issue right now.

Do you not realize Melo and company are having a hard time because we aren't getting good PG play? Felton is looking to get his shot off INSTEAD of setting guys up.

Felton gets to pick his spots since he has the ball in his hands on most plays. Kidd and Prigioni are too old for the Pacer guards.

really??

Yea. Please watch the game and see where Melo is getting the ball.

Hersports85 wrote:

tkf wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

MSG3 wrote:Felton really needs to have the ball in his hands coming up the floor every time when they're getting into their sets. He's been our only reliable option getting into the lane. And he's been finishing all playoffs. He needs to be the guy to get Melo out of this funk by setting up easy shots for him. Melo has a confidence issue right now.

Do you not realize Melo and company are having a hard time because we aren't getting good PG play? Felton is looking to get his shot off INSTEAD of setting guys up.

Felton gets to pick his spots since he has the ball in his hands on most plays. Kidd and Prigioni are too old for the Pacer guards.

really??

Yeah, I don't get that post either. Felton has been great. No fault whatsoever on him. He is really being everything that everyone said he wasn't.

We are getting the shots. Melo, Jr and Kidd are just missing them. It's that simple.

he took 12 shots and made 8 of them, if anything he should be shooting more.. the other guys you mentioned less..

George hill took 17 shots for the pacers and I didn't see where it disrupted their offense..