But when you see prigs and kidd stop every potential fastbreak, you know why..I hear woody in huddles talk about pushing the ball, yet at every opportunity you see your guards stop in transition to either look for melo and jr, or try and shoot a 3.

our guards get no assist because when they pass the ball, they take 12 seconds to size up there defender and shoot a jumper, sometimes I see why jr resorts back to jumpers, he doesn't get the calls when he penetrates.

knicks1248 wrote:To be honest, we look so un prepared yesterday..I don't understand why we go small and are dead last in fast break pts and assist..

But when you see prigs and kidd stop every potential fastbreak, you know why..I hear woody in huddles talk about pushing the ball, yet at every opportunity you see your guards stop in transition to either look for melo and jr, or try and shoot a 3.our guards get no assist because when they pass the ball, they take 12 seconds to size up there defender and shoot a jumper, sometimes I see why jr resorts back to jumpers, he doesn't get the calls when he penetrates.

I absolutely hate the way these teams run fastbreaks nowadays....Back in the 80's teams actually filled the lane on the break for a dunk, layup or foul. But coaches like Pitino changed the way we run the fastbreak now. I think Pitino is one of the all time greats, but I never liked the philosophy of shooting a 3 on the break which is his philosphy and he brought it with him to the NBA. I understand it ( You get an open look in transition) but unless your Novak or Curry, or your shooting from the college 3point line, players just need to fill the lane and score.

On 2 different instances, we had a fastbreak and instead of filling the lane for a 2 on 1, JR floats to the 3 point line...I was screaming at my television for JR to get his head under the rim....

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Uptown wrote:If anyone heard Jeff Van Gundy on Mike and Mike this morning he pretty much echoed everything I said. He said the Knicks need to push the ball in transition to beat the bigs up the floor, and we need to exploit more PNR with Felton/Chandler and even Melo/Chandler because Hibbert is not coming out to defend. The 10 foot area is wide open which is why Felton was able to make the runners. Melo can also exploit the 10 foot area with pull ups as opposed to running into Hibberts Body...

we need to play the big we signed at the end of the season. He is a good rebounder and his jumpshot is money. He'd be awesome in the pic-n-roll which could work since like you said, Hibbert is not coming out to contest and if he does it OPENS up the lane.

Woodson has to throw some minutes to Barron. He can't wait until the series is out of reach before deciding to try something else. Barron is an adequate rebounder AND has a jump shot. His insertion might be pivotal in the outcome of this series. This loyalty to Chandler has become destructive. In his case, fewer minutes might make him more productive.

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nykshaknbake wrote:Either go big to start 5 Chandler 4 Martin 3 Melo or go small and push the tempo. 5 CHandler 4 Melo 3 Shump 2Prigs 1 Felton. The second line up will not cut it in the half court consistently vs Indy. Camby and Stat better be ready to play in the 1st lineup.

I prefer to go wiht the small lineup to start and push the tempo. No way can/should Hibbert and West be able to keep up with Chandler and Melo on the secondary break....Plus, George guards Melo se he has to cross the court nd find Melo while West has to find Shump. Push the ball and one of Shump, Melo or Chandler should get an opne look.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/07/sports/basketball/knicks-must-adapt-to-pacers-roy-hibbert-or-perish.html?hpw

the crux of the matter is that the pacers are emulating the 2008 celtics defensively, according to the author. this means they defend the 3-point line and the rim and leave everything else in between relatively free. this is why felton's floaters or teardrops are effective while melo and smith have been awful.

in my opinion both melo and smith had better start driving and then stopping and popping for 6-10 foot stepbacks. trying to finish at the rim, drawing contact and whatnot, is going to be a fool's errand and it will kill this team. same with 3-point shots... unless melo actually is willing to move the ball. his holding on to the ball is going to kill this team.

meanwhile, i have stated for some time that the knicks are emulating the 2011 mavericks... the key being melo keeping the ball moving the way dirk did, never allowing the defense to rest or set itself. that's why the iso stuff is going to kill the knicks. the only time you saw iso with dirk was when he was in the mid to low post.

the knicks have to play the right way or they are doomed-- and it should be curtains for woodson.

It is not simply on Earl and Carmelo. It is everyone. Our strength is our ability to gain extra possessions by not turning it over. One of the positives from Sunday is we only turned it over 10 times to Indiana's 16. That is something to build on.

The downside is the Pacers 8 blocked shots to our 4. That can also be fixed.

We are transitioning from playing a team with a soft interior, Boston, to one where the interior is its strength. Woodson will make certain the adjustments are made clear. It is up to his veteran players to execute.

Hit the open man.

Uptown wrote:

dk7th wrote:beckley mason in the NYT wrote a very good piece about the two teams that is worth reading:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/07/sports/basketball/knicks-must-adapt-to-pacers-roy-hibbert-or-perish.html?hpw

the crux of the matter is that the pacers are emulating the 2008 celtics defensively, according to the author. this means they defend the 3-point line and the rim and leave everything else in between relatively free. this is why felton's floaters or teardrops are effective while melo and smith have been awful.

in my opinion both melo and smith had better start driving and then stopping and popping for 6-10 foot stepbacks. trying to finish at the rim, drawing contact and whatnot, is going to be a fool's errand and it will kill this team. same with 3-point shots... unless melo actually is willing to move the ball. his holding on to the ball is going to kill this team.

meanwhile, i have stated for some time that the knicks are emulating the 2011 mavericks... the key being melo keeping the ball moving the way dirk did, never allowing the defense to rest or set itself. that's why the iso stuff is going to kill the knicks. the only time you saw iso with dirk was when he was in the mid to low post.

the knicks have to play the right way or they are doomed-- and it should be curtains for woodson.

This is essentially what I said in my original post. The 10-12 foot range is wide opne which is why we should run more PNR Felton/Chandler and Melo/Chandler and have Melo pull up for the 10 footer....Or Felton for the floater....

yes and good on you for pointing that out. the knicks have to get that shot going tomorrow because status quo is not going to get it done. felton alone is not enough.

trouble is i don't see melo doing any pick and roll and i don't see how you would since we never see that from him.

in which case he is going to drive and if he does drive then by god don't barrel forward, step back! you're a great shooter and there's no shame in avoiding contact at the rim. score points efficiently. same with smith.

Miami beat them by using Hibbert's spacing against them; you essentially get a free extra screener, because he's essentially playing zone. They got open threes and short range jumpers.

You have to attack each baseline. Hibbert can stand up straight really well, but he can't defend both sides of the baseline at once. If Woodson would have Tyson coming from the opposite side from the ball, he'd be wide open for the quick dunk. Hibbert is not that fast. And that's also providing Melo or JR can get him the ball. This is where Amare could also go sheet for broke with those baseline Dream moves.