gunsnewing wrote:Melo shoukd never bring the ball up when we have 3 pgs. It was an issue last yr with dantoni

Silverfuel wrote:

Clean wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:I think the problem is not the Knicks, it is your expectations from the Knicks. You said it during last nights game that you think Woodson is going to bring out a trump card against Miami and you were already thinking Memphis or San Antonio in the NBA finals.

Why cant I expect Melo to round out his game? Even Jordan had to go through the process of losing a certain way before he figured it out

It seems like once we point out the things that need work or that is not working we are instantly called haters. If we are all to be honest none of us who post here are haters. If we hated this team we would not care to follow what happens to it everyday. We point out the things that are wrong because we want the teams to fix it for the harder playoff round(s) ahead.

What posts are you reading? I haven't called him a hater in a single one of my posts cause I know he is a real fan. I have watched every single playoff game with him this season. I have known him for over a decade and I know very well he is not a hater.

I never said you did, I am talking about in general. In the game thread last night a couple of posters were being called haters because we pointed out why the lead was lost so easily.

Chandler's a much bigger asset against Indiana and Hibbert. When the other team has a Garnett or Bosh-type center that can hit J's, Chandler struggles.

blkexec wrote:Melo brings the ball up so he can get the ball early, before the double team comes. I've been in Melo's position before as the go to guy finishing games. I would rather bring the ball up, than work extra hard fighting through double screens and holds. Especially if there's a Bradly type defensive player on the court, applying solid pressure on the passer.

Melo also has an injured shoulder, so he doesn't want somebody yanking on it again, trying to break free from all the holding players do on defense. When Melo is healthy, he knows how to protect the ball more. Thats why he wears thos elbow pads. Their like chicken wings for his offense and defensive swipes. But as you can see, he did not want to take that contact from Bradly with that injured left shoulder.

I've said this before, but it may have been over looked. You can't have too many iso type players on the floor at the same time. Melo's isoball freezes everybody else out. Add in JR, who is out there watching our leader do exactly what coach told JR not to do.....It's like telling an alcoholic to stop drinking, but surround him with other alcoholics.

This is why I don't like JR and Melo starting. I rather have more willing passers and shooters and defenders around Melo, with JR off the bench to keep that 1 iso player on the floor at all times for last second shot clock fadeaways. Otherwise, both iso players on the floor together is a double freeze on the other 3 players, and kills team chemistry when they are on or off.

This is also why Amari doesn't fit in.....When Amari is freezed out from Melo, he's either going to have turnovers or brick shots or try to forced some kind of iso play himself, just so he can get some shine. Add since his defense is non existent with his own man, similar to Chander's overrated defense, all Amari is his offense to show his wealth. Both guys are average help defenders and terrible man to man defenders, but thats for another topic. For example, do you think Kenyon Martin would allow little Bradly to get that shot off under the basket in crunch time?

Woody is the most important piece to us winning it all. This is why I like Phil Jackson type coach, because he has the nuts and respect to sit Melo and / or JR during those iso plays. Woodson stays with JR way too long during games. Same with Kidd. He sticks with his favorites, instead of using logic, like putting Shump and Pablo back in the game, since they helped give you that big lead....Remember, Shump went on a roll, with Melo on the bench. As soon as he put Melo back in the game, the lead was gone! Melo and JR killed the chemistry by taking too many jumpers, that wasn't falling, while freezing out the other players that were playing great!

Great post especially the part about JR and Amare

blkexec wrote:Melo brings the ball up so he can get the ball early, before the double team comes. I've been in Melo's position before as the go to guy finishing games. I would rather bring the ball up, than work extra hard fighting through double screens and holds. Especially if there's a Bradly type defensive player on the court, applying solid pressure on the passer.

Melo also has an injured shoulder, so he doesn't want somebody yanking on it again, trying to break free from all the holding players do on defense. When Melo is healthy, he knows how to protect the ball more. Thats why he wears thos elbow pads. Their like chicken wings for his offense and defensive swipes. But as you can see, he did not want to take that contact from Bradly with that injured left shoulder.

I've said this before, but it may have been over looked. You can't have too many iso type players on the floor at the same time. Melo's isoball freezes everybody else out. Add in JR, who is out there watching our leader do exactly what coach told JR not to do.....It's like telling an alcoholic to stop drinking, but surround him with other alcoholics.

This is why I don't like JR and Melo starting. I rather have more willing passers and shooters and defenders around Melo, with JR off the bench to keep that 1 iso player on the floor at all times for last second shot clock fadeaways. Otherwise, both iso players on the floor together is a double freeze on the other 3 players, and kills team chemistry when they are on or off.

This is also why Amari doesn't fit in.....When Amari is freezed out from Melo, he's either going to have turnovers or brick shots or try to forced some kind of iso play himself, just so he can get some shine. Add since his defense is non existent with his own man, similar to Chander's overrated defense, all Amari is his offense to show his wealth. Both guys are average help defenders and terrible man to man defenders, but thats for another topic. For example, do you think Kenyon Martin would allow little Bradly to get that shot off under the basket in crunch time?

Woody is the most important piece to us winning it all. This is why I like Phil Jackson type coach, because he has the nuts and respect to sit Melo and / or JR during those iso plays. Woodson stays with JR way too long during games. Same with Kidd. He sticks with his favorites, instead of using logic, like putting Shump and Pablo back in the game, since they helped give you that big lead....Remember, Shump went on a roll, with Melo on the bench. As soon as he put Melo back in the game, the lead was gone! Melo and JR killed the chemistry by taking too many jumpers, that wasn't falling, while freezing out the other players that were playing great!

AnubisADL wrote:

blkexec wrote:Woody is the most important piece to us winning it all. This is why I like Phil Jackson type coach, because he has the nuts and respect to sit Melo and / or JR during those iso plays. Woodson stays with JR way too long during games. Same with Kidd. He sticks with his favorites, instead of using logic, like putting Shump and Pablo back in the game, since they helped give you that big lead....Remember, Shump went on a roll, with Melo on the bench. As soon as he put Melo back in the game, the lead was gone! Melo and JR killed the chemistry by taking too many jumpers, that wasn't falling, while freezing out the other players that were playing great!

I disagree. Woodson rolls with guys he trusts. The Knicks had the lead. Knicks needed smart plays. Felton, Smith, and Shumpert dont always make the smart play and get carried away.

Realistically, Knicks only semi-consistent scorers have been JR Smith and Melo. Shumpert and Felton have just recently come on strong. I don't expect Woodson to make radical changes when we were up 3-0 in a series.

          FGAs
Felton    5-14
JR Smith  5-13
Carmelo   7-23

Why didn't he trust Pablo to run the team then ?

Prigioni finished with 14 points 5-9 fg, five rebounds and three assists over just 23 minutes.

I'm not buying it !

gunsnewing wrote:Melo shoukd never bring the ball up when we have 3 pgs. It was an issue last yr with dantoni

Correction, he shouldn't HAVE to bring the ball up when we have 3 pgs. But, as last night showed and what's been shown throughout the season is we can't really rely on them to take care of the ball and in many cases we're better off with the ball in Melo's hands.

VCoug wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Melo shoukd never bring the ball up when we have 3 pgs. It was an issue last yr with dantoni

Correction, he shouldn't HAVE to bring the ball up when we have 3 pgs. But, as last night showed and what's been shown throughout the season is we can't really rely on them to take care of the ball and in many cases we're better off with the ball in Melo's hands.

So you don't trust Prigioni either huh?

blkexec wrote:Melo brings the ball up so he can get the ball early, before the double team comes. I've been in Melo's position before as the go to guy finishing games. I would rather bring the ball up, than work extra hard fighting through double screens and holds. Especially if there's a Bradly type defensive player on the court, applying solid pressure on the passer.

Melo also has an injured shoulder, so he doesn't want somebody yanking on it again, trying to break free from all the holding players do on defense. When Melo is healthy, he knows how to protect the ball more. Thats why he wears thos elbow pads. Their like chicken wings for his offense and defensive swipes. But as you can see, he did not want to take that contact from Bradly with that injured left shoulder.

I've said this before, but it may have been over looked. You can't have too many iso type players on the floor at the same time. Melo's isoball freezes everybody else out. Add in JR, who is out there watching our leader do exactly what coach told JR not to do.....It's like telling an alcoholic to stop drinking, but surround him with other alcoholics.

This is why I don't like JR and Melo starting. I rather have more willing passers and shooters and defenders around Melo, with JR off the bench to keep that 1 iso player on the floor at all times for last second shot clock fadeaways. Otherwise, both iso players on the floor together is a double freeze on the other 3 players, and kills team chemistry when they are on or off.

This is also why Amari doesn't fit in.....When Amari is freezed out from Melo, he's either going to have turnovers or brick shots or try to forced some kind of iso play himself, just so he can get some shine. Add since his defense is non existent with his own man, similar to Chander's overrated defense, all Amari is his offense to show his wealth. Both guys are average help defenders and terrible man to man defenders, but thats for another topic. For example, do you think Kenyon Martin would allow little Bradly to get that shot off under the basket in crunch time?

Woody is the most important piece to us winning it all. This is why I like Phil Jackson type coach, because he has the nuts and respect to sit Melo and / or JR during those iso plays. Woodson stays with JR way too long during games. Same with Kidd. He sticks with his favorites, instead of using logic, like putting Shump and Pablo back in the game, since they helped give you that big lead....Remember, Shump went on a roll, with Melo on the bench. As soon as he put Melo back in the game, the lead was gone! Melo and JR killed the chemistry by taking too many jumpers, that wasn't falling, while freezing out the other players that were playing great!

You are talking about Phill Jackson ?? He is over rated Jackson had the greatest Player of all time and his side kick Scottie Pippen and a great cast. Jackson never went to a place without a championship team already assembled. Phil Jackson ain't stupid he ain't going to Detroit to coach or even Philly. Now he will go to Miami if Miami loose. He will go to Cleveland if Lebron goes back to Cleveland. Let's see what Jackson can really do with a team that dosen't have the worlds greatest player. He left LA because he new he couldn't win there anymore.