AnubisADL wrote:

3G4G wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

3G4G wrote:GSW was missing Lee and Denver Gallo so we still don't know how things would have played out teams at full strength but big up to GSW. No excuses on who was playing and who was not playing. GSW beat them fair and square.

It only supports the few who said young teams are on the rise...GSW and Rockets who are still alive are evidence of this. Denver will return

GS and Houston have young and legit stars, which is the biggest reason they're on the rise.

Denver doesn't, which is the biggest reason they're not on the rise.

Okay Denver was never on the rise when Melo was there....so why did we trade for him? He lost repeatedly in the first round.

Knicks couldnt make the playoffs with Gallo, Chandler, and the rest. So getting to the playoffs was an UPGRADE.

We were 28-26 and we would have made the playoffs....if you were doubting the team and they were going to miss then you weren't championing the Knicks at the time. No different than fans not championing this team as CONTENDERS now with Melo.

Your Standard or Opinion doesn't trump anyone else's. You're Fanning on Your Terms and in Retrospect

Knixkik wrote:Curry was the difference between Denver and GS, even with Lee not playing most of the series. Denver is built for regular season success with a lot of weapons and an up and down game, but when it comes playoffs the game slows down and teams need go-to stars to win grind-it-out games. This is why having Melo and continuing to build around him is so important win or lose this series. And this is also why you can never count out Boston, because Pierce and Garnett can still play like the superstars they once were for the majority of a playoff series. If they can squeeze into the playoffs they will always give a fight, and that's what we are seeing. And getting back to Golden State, i believe as long as Curry stays healthy GS will be a playoff mainstay because he has finally turned the corner into stardom. Still so disappointed we were one pick off from him on draft night back in 2009.

Since we have a star, we expect great things! Right?

We a 2nd seed against a 7th seed. No excuses right? Garnet and Pierce are "fading" stars. 7th seed stars.

lets win a round or two!!!! Then celebrate!

3G4G wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

3G4G wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

3G4G wrote:GSW was missing Lee and Denver Gallo so we still don't know how things would have played out teams at full strength but big up to GSW. No excuses on who was playing and who was not playing. GSW beat them fair and square.

It only supports the few who said young teams are on the rise...GSW and Rockets who are still alive are evidence of this. Denver will return

GS and Houston have young and legit stars, which is the biggest reason they're on the rise.

Denver doesn't, which is the biggest reason they're not on the rise.

Okay Denver was never on the rise when Melo was there....so why did we trade for him? He lost repeatedly in the first round.

Knicks couldnt make the playoffs with Gallo, Chandler, and the rest. So getting to the playoffs was an UPGRADE.

We were 28-26 and we would have made the playoffs....if you were doubting the team was going to miss then you weren't championing the Knicks at the time. No different than fans not championing this team as CONTENDERS now with Melo.

Your Standard or Opinion doesn't trump anyone else's. You're Fanning on Your Terms and in Retrospect

Amare has been a non-factor since the trade with all his injuries. Im talking PRE-AMARE. Gallinari and Chandler couldnt get up to the playoffs in the East. That is FACT. We were hoping and praying they would turn into great players. Denver fans are still holding out hope I guess.

Gallinari and Chandler took us straight to the lottery. Oh and they'd be sitting with their suits on the bench with Amare with all their injuries.

I dont think the Knicks have the personnel to go far this year. However, I feel with a overhaul of the roster we could do damage.

3G4G wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

3G4G wrote:GSW was missing Lee and Denver Gallo so we still don't know how things would have played out teams at full strength but big up to GSW. No excuses on who was playing and who was not playing. GSW beat them fair and square.

It only supports the few who said young teams are on the rise...GSW and Rockets who are still alive are evidence of this. Denver will return

GS and Houston have young and legit stars, which is the biggest reason they're on the rise.

Denver doesn't, which is the biggest reason they're not on the rise.

Okay Denver was never on the rise when Melo was there....so why did we trade for him? He lost repeatedly in the first round. Now we're on our 3rd yr hoping we survive the 1rst round.

What does the first round losing say about Karl's system.

I dont recall Don Nelson doing much with the Warriors right before he retired.

tkf wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:

tkf wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Curry was the difference between Denver and GS, even with Lee not playing most of the series. Denver is built for regular season success with a lot of weapons and an up and down game, but when it comes playoffs the game slows down and teams need go-to stars to win grind-it-out games. This is why having Melo and continuing to build around him is so important win or lose this series. And this is also why you can never count out Boston, because Pierce and Garnett can still play like the superstars they once were for the majority of a playoff series. If they can squeeze into the playoffs they will always give a fight, and that's what we are seeing. And getting back to Golden State, i believe as long as Curry stays healthy GS will be a playoff mainstay because he has finally turned the corner into stardom. Still so disappointed we were one pick off from him on draft night back in 2009.

this is where your argument fails.. when was that series a grind it out series? scores were well into the 100's..

And why are we struggling in grind it out games? You are now going to use the argument that Garnett and pierce are playing like superstars? come on man... Denver lost because they didn't defend like they could, and Golden state played their game better than denver did for the most part.. didn't help that denver was missing gallanari but this series was about guard play, sometimes a team can present a matchup problem.. plain and simple... both are young teams with room to grow...

Pierce took over in game 5 and Curry has taken over all series. Stars win in the playoffs plain and simple. Denver doesn't have that. Fortunately, we do.

And grind it out doesn't mean low scoring. It means having better opportunities to take advantage of every possession on offense and playing better defense.

Stars win in the playoffs plain and simple. Denver doesn't have that. Fortunately, we do.

so when we don't win it all, does that mean we don't have a star? why didn't we win last year?

your argument is flawed...

In the end, the league has about 4 stars.. we don't have one... GSW don't have one, Denver doesn't have one, the nets don't have one..... so basically you are admitting that the finals will be decided between, harden, durant, Duncan, pierce or lebron?

What's the cause and what's the effect? I need to have a car to get to work. If I don't get to work, it doesn't necessarily mean I don't have a car.

you are pretty much defending , my point... I don't think you realize that..

Not sitting on either side of this fence. I agree that failure does not necessarily mean you don't have a star.

Do I consider anyone on Denver a star? No, but I think they have a lot of guys that are close, and their depth is enough that can lead to playoff success. And yes, I consider Curry a star. Several other factors had to click for that effort to not go in vain, but it's nice to have that one guy to carry you the extra mile when necessary.

Kudos to Curry for having a big series. I picked GS as an upset, like the team, shooters were hot. I'll be rooting for them against SA.

curry became a star in the playoffs, but there were just a few of us here that actually thought of him in high regards, actually look back at the thread of who had more impact, curry or carmelo, and I chose curry,without blinking an eye.. knick fans now will champion curry because they beat denver, and to validate the carmelo trade.. the problem is, you can't use other players to do that, carmelo has to validate that, and so far he hasn't.. that is what most NY fans don't get.. 18-59 just doesn't cut it, and it certainly doesn't make you a go to guy, because you like to shoot..

I don't think Curry will be championed just because it was Denver. Curry is "the pick that was stolen". Large group of us were excited to see Curry in a Knicks uniform only for Donnie Nelson to torture us one pick away. I'm sure there is a small group of the anti-Denver contingent that may do so, but Curry has already provided enough to admire long before this postseason, including that 54 point performance in the Garden. I'm a big Melo supporter, and even I'd be torn if I got the chance to choose one or the other.

I prefer not to get into the Melo vs. Denver, Melo vs. Houston debates just because it seems like the same folks spouting the same thing each time, both sides focusing too hard on spite. I do legitimately enjoy watching GS though, due to a combination of Lee, Curry, Thompson, and at the time Udoh (I was still at Baylor when GS drafted him). It's just scary how lights out that backcourt of Curry and Thompson is from deep. If both are on, you're going to have trouble, regardless of your stars.

MaTT4281 wrote:

tkf wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:

tkf wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Curry was the difference between Denver and GS, even with Lee not playing most of the series. Denver is built for regular season success with a lot of weapons and an up and down game, but when it comes playoffs the game slows down and teams need go-to stars to win grind-it-out games. This is why having Melo and continuing to build around him is so important win or lose this series. And this is also why you can never count out Boston, because Pierce and Garnett can still play like the superstars they once were for the majority of a playoff series. If they can squeeze into the playoffs they will always give a fight, and that's what we are seeing. And getting back to Golden State, i believe as long as Curry stays healthy GS will be a playoff mainstay because he has finally turned the corner into stardom. Still so disappointed we were one pick off from him on draft night back in 2009.

this is where your argument fails.. when was that series a grind it out series? scores were well into the 100's..

And why are we struggling in grind it out games? You are now going to use the argument that Garnett and pierce are playing like superstars? come on man... Denver lost because they didn't defend like they could, and Golden state played their game better than denver did for the most part.. didn't help that denver was missing gallanari but this series was about guard play, sometimes a team can present a matchup problem.. plain and simple... both are young teams with room to grow...

Pierce took over in game 5 and Curry has taken over all series. Stars win in the playoffs plain and simple. Denver doesn't have that. Fortunately, we do.

And grind it out doesn't mean low scoring. It means having better opportunities to take advantage of every possession on offense and playing better defense.

Stars win in the playoffs plain and simple. Denver doesn't have that. Fortunately, we do.

so when we don't win it all, does that mean we don't have a star? why didn't we win last year?

your argument is flawed...

In the end, the league has about 4 stars.. we don't have one... GSW don't have one, Denver doesn't have one, the nets don't have one..... so basically you are admitting that the finals will be decided between, harden, durant, Duncan, pierce or lebron?

What's the cause and what's the effect? I need to have a car to get to work. If I don't get to work, it doesn't necessarily mean I don't have a car.

you are pretty much defending , my point... I don't think you realize that..

Not sitting on either side of this fence. I agree that failure does not necessarily mean you don't have a star.

Do I consider anyone on Denver a star? No, but I think they have a lot of guys that are close, and their depth is enough that can lead to playoff success. And yes, I consider Curry a star. Several other factors had to click for that effort to not go in vain, but it's nice to have that one guy to carry you the extra mile when necessary.

Kudos to Curry for having a big series. I picked GS as an upset, like the team, shooters were hot. I'll be rooting for them against SA.

curry became a star in the playoffs, but there were just a few of us here that actually thought of him in high regards, actually look back at the thread of who had more impact, curry or carmelo, and I chose curry,without blinking an eye.. knick fans now will champion curry because they beat denver, and to validate the carmelo trade.. the problem is, you can't use other players to do that, carmelo has to validate that, and so far he hasn't.. that is what most NY fans don't get.. 18-59 just doesn't cut it, and it certainly doesn't make you a go to guy, because you like to shoot..

I don't think Curry will be championed just because it was Denver. Curry is "the pick that was stolen". Large group of us were excited to see Curry in a Knicks uniform only for Donnie Nelson to torture us one pick away. I'm sure there is a small group of the anti-Denver contingent that may do so, but Curry has already provided enough to admire long before this postseason, including that 54 point performance in the Garden. I'm a big Melo supporter, and even I'd be torn if I got the chance to choose one or the other.

I prefer not to get into the Melo vs. Denver, Melo vs. Houston debates just because it seems like the same folks spouting the same thing each time, both sides focusing too hard on spite. I do legitimately enjoy watching GS though, due to a combination of Lee, Curry, Thompson, and at the time Udoh (I was still at Baylor when GS drafted him). It's just scary how lights out that backcourt of Curry and Thompson is from deep. If both are on, you're going to have trouble, regardless of your stars.

Yeah Curry was definitely the pick that got away. Up until draft time i thought Jordan Hill was going to GS as they were looking at him as best available big man. Curry would have been the one asset held thru all of the rennovations over the past few years. We would have only had cap space for 1 max guy, but they would have tried to sell Lebron to the idea of Curry, Gallo, W Chandler, and Lee being his ideal supporting cast. But even though Lebron wouldn't have come we would still use the same major assets to acquire Melo. What a combo Melo and Curry would be.

Solace wrote:I think the stars are what makes winning a possibility. In other words, you probably can't win without one. But the supporting cast is what can push things over the top.

In very rare isolated cases, you can win a championship without a star. But the only time I recall it happening was the 2003 Detroit Pistons.

Also, one thing to take into account: The player who is considered 'the better player', 'the bigger star', etc... That's often the guy who starts winning in the playoffs. So, ultimately, it is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Yes exactly right. And people can say what they want about the Pistons, not having a "superstar" but they had 4 all-stars (Billups, Hamilton, Sheed, and Ben Wallace) in their primes, so again it all depends on your idea of star. All of these players were stars in some way at a point in time.