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gunsnewing
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5/3/2013  7:41 AM
^That is true

Even Larry Brown came out looking old and senile

Dolan is the constant fo`sho`
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5/3/2013  7:42 AM
Giving him the GM job is still a leap but a bad performance under Dolan shouldn't end someone's NBA career.
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5/3/2013  8:10 AM
Im forever a Layden apologist as my take is he was the perfect patsy that Dolan could push around. Earnie Grunfeld was a Checketts guy and Dolan had the meek Layden who I think was competent but lacked the experience and personality to handle the big job that is NY.

He inherited the Ewing debacle which had been growing because the team let it manifest.

I also believe when it comes to 100mm contracts such as the one h20 had, it was a prearranged opt out upon his signing (not under layden) where he'd be upon the elite in paid NBA players. Lets be real, GM's don't hand out 100mm contracts without the team president and owner very involved.

Im not defending the record or being overly sympathetic but there is a clear pattern of owner intervention with the knicks.

All I know Layden and the knicks APPEARED to be in a direction of rebuilding by not trading away draft picks or making the usual panic trade. We also APPEARED to be letting contracts expire. All of this became the fuel for which Isiah used to leverage up the talent pool by leveraging up the payroll to unheard of obscene levels. That is bonafide and in the record books!

What most of you don't realize is that Layden has been in many roles thru organizations including assistant coach and has put in many years. That gives him a unique perspective. Im not saying he should get the job as there are many interviewing for the job but there are many instances of coachs and managers in many sports who did not succeed with one team/scenario and yet thrived in another! The same is true the other way around as starphuch hires don't always guarantee success.
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5/3/2013  11:21 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/3/2013  11:22 AM
What was Scott Laydens reasoning for the Howard Eisley and Shandon Anderson contracts at the time? They were ridiculous in size and length, and it didn't help that they had no basketball talent whatsoever

Here's an accurate summary of them:

6. Acquiring Shandon Anderson and Howard Eisley


Scott Layden grew up thinking Shandon Anderson and Howard Eisley were, like, heroes. Maybe they were, once. They played for his dad in Utah and helped the Jazz to go to two straight NBA finals. But that was when they had the Hall of Fame duo of John Stockton and Karl Malone.


Layden would trade Glen Rice and get these two in the deal. It looked as if Layden was trying to build a team with those two but all they did was take up salary cap space. They got paid a combined 11 million per season and would get their contract extended to five year contracts?!?


When you mention these two names, Knicks fan just cringe because they really represent how awful the roster was during that time.

http://www.examiner.com/article/new-york-knicks-top-10-worst-deals-of-the-2000-s
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5/3/2013  11:42 AM
Wow thats peanuts compared to the contracts isiah and walsh handed out
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5/3/2013  12:09 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/3/2013  12:12 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Wow thats peanuts compared to the contracts isiah and walsh handed out

It was a lot at the time- $11 mil per season tied up in two players who sucked. Salary cap was only about $40mil in 2003 (compared to $60mil now), I think. So in today's terms it would be about $16.5 mil per season. Felt like those contracts would never expire. Knowing we were stuck with those two scrubs for 6 years was depressing...
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5/3/2013  12:18 PM
anyone who think that those mammouth contracts he got for completely mediocre players wasn't a big deal at the time is being a revisionist historian. Layden is what ensured the Knicks were remain in cap hell and his moves enticed Isiah to make even more insane moves. Isiah's rationale was essentially "well, I'm in cap hell and the only way for me to win is to double down on an insane strategy"
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5/3/2013  12:23 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:anyone who think that those mammouth contracts he got for completely mediocre players wasn't a big deal at the time is being a revisionist historian. Layden is what ensured the Knicks were remain in cap hell and his moves enticed Isiah to make even more insane moves. Isiah's rationale was essentially "well, I'm in cap hell and the only way for me to win is to double down on an insane strategy"

I remember being all excited about the draft and then hearing Layden traded the pick for Dice and his bum knees.
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5/3/2013  12:25 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:anyone who think that those mammouth contracts he got for completely mediocre players wasn't a big deal at the time is being a revisionist historian. Layden is what ensured the Knicks were remain in cap hell and his moves enticed Isiah to make even more insane moves. Isiah's rationale was essentially "well, I'm in cap hell and the only way for me to win is to double down on an insane strategy"

I remember being all excited about the draft and then hearing Layden traded the pick for Dice and his bum knees.

You bet. I was there! I wanted Nene and I was estatic when we drafted him only to find out not only did we trade him but we threw in camby! Total disregard of draft picks by the owner as usual
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5/3/2013  12:28 PM
Dolan wouldve traded Lebron for Mcdye
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5/3/2013  12:30 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:anyone who think that those mammouth contracts he got for completely mediocre players wasn't a big deal at the time is being a revisionist historian. Layden is what ensured the Knicks were remain in cap hell and his moves enticed Isiah to make even more insane moves. Isiah's rationale was essentially "well, I'm in cap hell and the only way for me to win is to double down on an insane strategy"

I remember being all excited about the draft and then hearing Layden traded the pick for Dice and his bum knees.

You bet. I was there! I wanted Nene and I was estatic when we drafted him only to find out not only did we trade him but we threw in camby! Total disregard of draft picks by the owner as usual

The fans there were P'Od werent they? And Layden kept saying the same thing no matter how bad it got. "I like our team". Adding insult to injury, Isiah started saying the same thing after he got the job.
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5/3/2013  12:54 PM
smackeddog wrote:What was Scott Laydens reasoning for the Howard Eisley and Shandon Anderson contracts at the time? They were ridiculous in size and length, and it didn't help that they had no basketball talent whatsoever

Here's an accurate summary of them:

6. Acquiring Shandon Anderson and Howard Eisley


Scott Layden grew up thinking Shandon Anderson and Howard Eisley were, like, heroes. Maybe they were, once. They played for his dad in Utah and helped the Jazz to go to two straight NBA finals. But that was when they had the Hall of Fame duo of John Stockton and Karl Malone.


Layden would trade Glen Rice and get these two in the deal. It looked as if Layden was trying to build a team with those two but all they did was take up salary cap space. They got paid a combined 11 million per season and would get their contract extended to five year contracts?!?


When you mention these two names, Knicks fan just cringe because they really represent how awful the roster was during that time.

http://www.examiner.com/article/new-york-knicks-top-10-worst-deals-of-the-2000-s



Glenn Rice was falling a part. No, it was not a good deal. Nobody said Layden did a good job.

Nothing Layden did compares to Isiah.

Even Dice, on paper it made sense for a lot of reasons. At the moment it was a big risk but one that might have worked.

Marbury was a train wreck before he got here. Eddy for Basically Noah and Aldridge? The contracts, the trades, etc.

Sweetny was minor compared.

Again, nobody said getting dice was a good trade and in hindsight we should have drafted Amare.

You don't take on guys like dice and his contract without some due dilligence and the owners approaval.

Remember, Dolan wanted a star and Dice was amazing even in his preseason.
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5/3/2013  1:39 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/3/2013  1:40 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:anyone who think that those mammouth contracts he got for completely mediocre players wasn't a big deal at the time is being a revisionist historian. Layden is what ensured the Knicks were remain in cap hell and his moves enticed Isiah to make even more insane moves. Isiah's rationale was essentially "well, I'm in cap hell and the only way for me to win is to double down on an insane strategy"

I remember being all excited about the draft and then hearing Layden traded the pick for Dice and his bum knees.

You bet. I was there! I wanted Nene and I was estatic when we drafted him only to find out not only did we trade him but we threw in camby! Total disregard of draft picks by the owner as usual

The fans there were P'Od werent they? And Layden kept saying the same thing no matter how bad it got. "I like our team". Adding insult to injury, Isiah started saying the same thing after he got the job.

Nothing was worse than those Layden Mike and maddog interviews. Althouhh things did get worse under Isiah
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5/3/2013  3:02 PM
Not a good plan for the Suns. Hiring Scott was an unfortunate step in Jimmy's learning process that we have happily put way behind us.
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5/3/2013  9:36 PM
StraightShot wrote:Not a good plan for the Suns. Hiring Scott was an unfortunate step in Jimmy's learning process that we have happily put way behind us.

I could have been worse!

Wait, it was, he hired Isiah!!!!
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