sealy wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

sealy wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

3G4G wrote:

Caseloads wrote:Melo needs to Drive the ball and stop settling for jumpers.

And yet fans wonder why his doesn't shoot a lot of free throws.

Those fans were specifically referring to games that they watched and witnessed him getting hacked with no whistle.

That happens to everyone - especially guys who spend time deep in the paint. Have you ever watched Dwight Howard closely?

Yeah I did. Dwight was one of my favorite player when he was in Orlando. So, doesnt that mean the fans were right to wonder why Melo didnt shoot more fts?

Not really. You have to factor in that a decent percentage of all contact doesn't get called. A lot of the people complaining expect that to be different for Melo for some reason.

How much contact do people make on Lebron that doesn't get called? Durant? Wade? Kobe? A lot of people who watch Melo operate think that he just might qualify for the same treatment.

People make it sound like these guys get triple the foul calls Melo does. Durant takes less than 1 more trip a game to the line and I think Melo actually goes to the line more than those other players.

In end of game situations, there is definitely a significant difference. You make it seem like their is no bias by refs or the NBA. Did you forget that stretch where LeBron, who some feel is a all world defender, didn't receive a personal foul?

Unlike LeBron, Melo just complains after the whistle. LeBron is usually screaming like a woman who was just mugged as soon as someone touches him and can flop with the best of them. The fact that Melo isn't really a flopper is the key in my opinion and LeBron doesn't get the techs because he is the golden goose of the NBA. He says some pretty outlandish **** to refs, yet somehow rarely draws Ts. I mean the guy can get Stern to change a foul on Taj Gibson to a flagrant 1 w/ just a little crying. It's a joke.

Are we talking about FTs or PFs now?

Fair enough. I went off on a tangent a bit and I agree with 3G4G saying how Melo goes to his jab step/one dribble pull up at the end of games.

I do still believe that my point about Melo not really playing the flopping card is a valid point when comparing FT attempts.

holfresh wrote:Melo needs to do this and Melo needs to do that...Boston should have been swept and they are fortunate to be down 3-2..

You could say had they played the second half of 2gms like they did the first half we're fortunate to be up 3-2. They've had leads for big portions of the games.

Thank goodness we've been fortunate to overcome Melo's dreadful shooting up to this point.

Bonn1997 wrote:

sealy wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

sealy wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

3G4G wrote:

Caseloads wrote:Melo needs to Drive the ball and stop settling for jumpers.

And yet fans wonder why his doesn't shoot a lot of free throws.

Those fans were specifically referring to games that they watched and witnessed him getting hacked with no whistle.

That happens to everyone - especially guys who spend time deep in the paint. Have you ever watched Dwight Howard closely?

Yeah I did. Dwight was one of my favorite player when he was in Orlando. So, doesnt that mean the fans were right to wonder why Melo didnt shoot more fts?

Not really. You have to factor in that a decent percentage of all contact doesn't get called. A lot of the people complaining expect that to be different for Melo for some reason.

How much contact do people make on Lebron that doesn't get called? Durant? Wade? Kobe? A lot of people who watch Melo operate think that he just might qualify for the same treatment.

People make it sound like these guys get triple the foul calls Melo does. Durant takes less than 1 more trip a game to the line and I think Melo actually goes to the line more than those other players.

In end of game situations, there is definitely a significant difference. You make it seem like their is no bias by refs or the NBA. Did you forget that stretch where LeBron, who some feel is a all world defender, didn't receive a personal foul?

Unlike LeBron, Melo just complains after the whistle. LeBron is usually screaming like a woman who was just mugged as soon as someone touches him and can flop with the best of them. The fact that Melo isn't really a flopper is the key in my opinion and LeBron doesn't get the techs because he is the golden goose of the NBA. He says some pretty outlandish **** to refs, yet somehow rarely draws Ts. I mean the guy can get Stern to change a foul on Taj Gibson to a flagrant 1 w/ just a little crying. It's a joke.

Are we talking about FTs or PFs now?

Fair enough. I went off on a tangent a bit and I agree with 3G4G saying how Melo goes to his jab step/one dribble pull up at the end of games.

I do still believe that my point about Melo not really playing the flopping card is a valid point when comparing FT attempts.

I was trying to find the shot charts - I forget if it's nba.com or some other site that has them. I'm guessing that Harden, Durant, and Lebron attack the basket more and have more shots in the paint than Melo does. If Melo attacked the basket like he did in game 4, he'd probably lead the league in FTAs.

I believe Melo has a higher percentage by a decent margin to Durant but not sure if transition were included.

fishmike wrote:this is why you dont build a playoff team around a volume scorer

Lot harder in the playoffs to get those shots isnt it?

Melo is a career 41% playoff shooter vs. 46% for his regular season career.

5 games vs Boston

Wins: FG% is .462
Loss: FG% is .305

More of the same. This against the 7th seed with their best on the shelf.

This is why Melo should have been the #2 scorer. Obviously Amare hasnt panned out.

Honestly, I dont blame Melo for this. This is on the Knicks management. Knicks have built a team on volume scorers and guys who launch 3s. When they all defend and rebound it looks pretty good, but boy it looks like they have us figured out doesnt it? We will see. Win in Boston and 4-2 win is OK. They had their fightbut we put them away. This goes to game 7 and its really embarassing. Which team is for real?

So your key to Melo's inefficiencies is team defense and rebounding.
Earth shattering news! We play D and rebound, we win! We don't play D and don't rebound, we lose!

Is there more to this?

Bonn1997 wrote:

sealy wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

sealy wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

3G4G wrote:

Caseloads wrote:Melo needs to Drive the ball and stop settling for jumpers.

And yet fans wonder why his doesn't shoot a lot of free throws.

Those fans were specifically referring to games that they watched and witnessed him getting hacked with no whistle.

That happens to everyone - especially guys who spend time deep in the paint. Have you ever watched Dwight Howard closely?

Yeah I did. Dwight was one of my favorite player when he was in Orlando. So, doesnt that mean the fans were right to wonder why Melo didnt shoot more fts?

Not really. You have to factor in that a decent percentage of all contact doesn't get called. A lot of the people complaining expect that to be different for Melo for some reason.

How much contact do people make on Lebron that doesn't get called? Durant? Wade? Kobe? A lot of people who watch Melo operate think that he just might qualify for the same treatment.

People make it sound like these guys get triple the foul calls Melo does. Durant takes less than 1 more trip a game to the line and I think Melo actually goes to the line more than those other players.

In end of game situations, there is definitely a significant difference. You make it seem like their is no bias by refs or the NBA. Did you forget that stretch where LeBron, who some feel is a all world defender, didn't receive a personal foul?

Unlike LeBron, Melo just complains after the whistle. LeBron is usually screaming like a woman who was just mugged as soon as someone touches him and can flop with the best of them. The fact that Melo isn't really a flopper is the key in my opinion and LeBron doesn't get the techs because he is the golden goose of the NBA. He says some pretty outlandish **** to refs, yet somehow rarely draws Ts. I mean the guy can get Stern to change a foul on Taj Gibson to a flagrant 1 w/ just a little crying. It's a joke.

Are we talking about FTs or PFs now?

Fair enough. I went off on a tangent a bit and I agree with 3G4G saying how Melo goes to his jab step/one dribble pull up at the end of games.

I do still believe that my point about Melo not really playing the flopping card is a valid point when comparing FT attempts.

I was trying to find the shot charts - I forget if it's nba.com or some other site that has them. I'm guessing that Harden, Durant, and Lebron attack the basket more and have more shots in the paint than Melo does. If Melo attacked the basket like he did in game 4, he'd probably lead the league in FTAs.

It's NBA.com.

According to the shot charts Melo took 31.77% of his shots at the rim; Harden took 43.98% of his shots at the rim; Durant took 33.08% of his shots at the rim; and Lebron took 47.42% of his shots at the rim.

According to http://www.basketball-reference.com Melo finished the year 6th in FTA/game with 7.6/game. The players ahead of him were Harden 10.2/game, Dwight 9.5/game, Durant 9.3/game, Kobe 8/game, and Kevin Love 7.9/game. Lebron was tied with Westbrook at 7th with 7/game. The reason Melo's total FTA are so much lower than everyone else's is because he missed 15 games this year.

EDIT: I took another look at the shot charts and I was slightly mistaken; those shots are within 8 feet of the rim not at the rim.

knicks1248 wrote:It's not all melo..you know whats an alarming stat, were something like 35 and 6 when novak hits 2 3's.

Which came first? Do we win because Novak hits 2 3's, or does Novak hit his shots only when we're winning?

fishmike wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Knicks exceeded expectations even getting the 2nd seed and guys are trying to throw Melo under the bus. LMAO.

your right. We should have lost 50 games with this group of losers. Thank god we had Melo to make it interesting.

This team was built to win now and compete with the Heat in the playoffs. If you suggest any different your utterly full of crap.

Almost 70% of the posters on this board predicted over 50 wins or more, and now when your boy starts to yack it up for a couple games you come up with this? Spoken like a true Melo homer. How about just watching the games telling me what you see? Like the star and scorer we built the team around shoots 30% and we lose those games. But yea... lets pretend it was MDA's coaching or JR's partying or not enough Copeland. What a joke this fan base is.

Assumed 50+ wins with healthy Amare, Wallace, and Camby. We also expected to get production from Kidd.

I always said Melo would get McGrady'd. Dude got his team to the playoffs every year while Grant Hill sat on the bench in a suit. Of course everyone likes to claim getting to the playoffs is easy but the Knicks had not done it in a decade.

Sorry but no Amare, no Wallace, no Camby, and no Kidd is hurting this team. But yea Melo should average 50 points on 20 shots the rest of the playoffs.

AnubisADL wrote:

fishmike wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Knicks exceeded expectations even getting the 2nd seed and guys are trying to throw Melo under the bus. LMAO.

your right. We should have lost 50 games with this group of losers. Thank god we had Melo to make it interesting.

This team was built to win now and compete with the Heat in the playoffs. If you suggest any different your utterly full of crap.

Almost 70% of the posters on this board predicted over 50 wins or more, and now when your boy starts to yack it up for a couple games you come up with this? Spoken like a true Melo homer. How about just watching the games telling me what you see? Like the star and scorer we built the team around shoots 30% and we lose those games. But yea... lets pretend it was MDA's coaching or JR's partying or not enough Copeland. What a joke this fan base is.

Assumed 50+ wins with healthy Amare, Wallace, and Camby. We also expected to get production from Kidd.

I always said Melo would get McGrady'd. Dude got his team to the playoffs every year while Grant Hill sat on the bench in a suit. Of course everyone likes to claim getting to the playoffs is easy but the Knicks had not done it in a decade.

Sorry but no Amare, no Wallace, no Camby, and no Kidd is hurting this team. But yea Melo should average 50 points on 20 shots the rest of the playoffs.

Unless of course we Knick fans are simply asking too much, maybe your right man... maybe he's not not a star and we are asking too much. Maybe he's just really good. Is that it? Cause some folks here really thought he was in the MVP discussion for awhile. I guess shooting 30% in back to back playoff games is normal MVP caliber execution?

Next it will be Woody's fault Melo is tired because he called too many plays for him. What a joke.

How's KMart played? Better than Camby even had a chance too. JR has played better than anyone expected. Felton has played like an all star in these playoffs, but you blame Camby and Sheed on us losing games while Melo shoots 30%. McGradied indeed.

Knicks are better than the Celtics, its not even debatable. If our big gun didnt shoot 30% this series is over. There is nothing else worth discussing dude. Open your eyes.