3G4G wrote:

fishmike wrote:

3G4G wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Nice! Thats the one Knick individual award I felt we had in the bag. JR has had a tremendous yr. Every time you felt he was reverting back to the JR chucker of old he got his game back on track by mixing in the penetration. Woodson certainly deserves an immense amount of credit for being the first coach to really get through to JR

Stats suggest it had nothing to do with Woody and more so to do with Volume and Smith's natural progression to maturity. He's had better or say far more efficient yrs in Denver. I do feel he was more "timely for us and the stage on which he plays helps tremendously.

and articles suggest that it was Woody who took JR under his wing and has been hands on with him all year. This has been widely written about. Why not just give a coach his due?

Woody deserves some credit but keep in mind J.R. was under Woody last yr too...the guy who was doing things on twitter unprofessionally....also the same guy who said on twitter this yr to an under age girl something about Piping and going at Humphries somehwhat unprofessionally.

I did read an article this yr where J.R. said he doesn't party nearly as much this yr as he did last yr. Not sure if this is Woody getting through to him or a guy who is 27 about to turn 28 having been through some real tough situations causing him to adjust. But hey if you guys feel Woody deserves all the credit for a player shooting 42% and 35%, which are average at best in of themselves go with that. J.R. plays starters minutes and starters usage rate, therefore his numbers stood a chance to look better from an overall output and he's been in more positions to succeed.

Interesting, Just a few days ago you said that was elite for the regular season and early in the season you claimed it was elite. Now it's not.

Woody deserves credit for pushing JR to change his game. He has had more efficient shooting seasons but he never had stretches shooting the way he finished the year. Never avg more attempts and points in the paint and more Ft attempts consecutively.

I do agree Woody does not get all the credit. Jr deserves the lion's share.

yellowboy90 wrote:

3G4G wrote:

fishmike wrote:

3G4G wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Nice! Thats the one Knick individual award I felt we had in the bag. JR has had a tremendous yr. Every time you felt he was reverting back to the JR chucker of old he got his game back on track by mixing in the penetration. Woodson certainly deserves an immense amount of credit for being the first coach to really get through to JR

Stats suggest it had nothing to do with Woody and more so to do with Volume and Smith's natural progression to maturity. He's had better or say far more efficient yrs in Denver. I do feel he was more "timely for us and the stage on which he plays helps tremendously.

and articles suggest that it was Woody who took JR under his wing and has been hands on with him all year. This has been widely written about. Why not just give a coach his due?

Woody deserves some credit but keep in mind J.R. was under Woody last yr too...the guy who was doing things on twitter unprofessionally....also the same guy who said on twitter this yr to an under age girl something about Piping and going at Humphries somehwhat unprofessionally.

I did read an article this yr where J.R. said he doesn't party nearly as much this yr as he did last yr. Not sure if this is Woody getting through to him or a guy who is 27 about to turn 28 having been through some real tough situations causing him to adjust. But hey if you guys feel Woody deserves all the credit for a player shooting 42% and 35%, which are average at best in of themselves go with that. J.R. plays starters minutes and starters usage rate, therefore his numbers stood a chance to look better from an overall output and he's been in more positions to succeed.

Interesting, Just a few days ago you said that was elite for the regular season and early in the season you claimed it was elite. Now it's not.

Woody deserves credit for pushing JR to change his game. He has had more efficient shooting seasons but he never had stretches shooting the way he finished the year. Never avg more attempts and points in the paint and more Ft attempts consecutively.

I do agree Woody does not get all the credit. Jr deserves the lion's share.

No yellowboy...

I said Melo is an ELITE SCORER at "Volume" and the best at "Streaking" but not EFFICIENT and this season wasn't his "best season by the numbers" which some other poster suggested it was. Stop trying to mix and confuse. We can pull up threads if you like and dissect from there.

Scoring the basketball can be looked at so many different degrees, depending on who's doing the "eye test". Melo and J.R. have their nitch. I've referred J.R. as mini Melo except with way more athleticism. Melo to his credit even though not efficient as he should be and could be, is probably one of so many players who can shoot at volume every night and still produce offensively. It does take a lot to a certain extent physically to put up shots bearing a heavy workload. At the same time Melo and J.R. take a considerable high amount of low percentage shot/heat checkers.

Nalod wrote:He plays starters minutes and finishs the game.

Stupid award really but Im glad he is getting recognition.

3G4G wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

3G4G wrote:

fishmike wrote:

3G4G wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Nice! Thats the one Knick individual award I felt we had in the bag. JR has had a tremendous yr. Every time you felt he was reverting back to the JR chucker of old he got his game back on track by mixing in the penetration. Woodson certainly deserves an immense amount of credit for being the first coach to really get through to JR

Stats suggest it had nothing to do with Woody and more so to do with Volume and Smith's natural progression to maturity. He's had better or say far more efficient yrs in Denver. I do feel he was more "timely for us and the stage on which he plays helps tremendously.

and articles suggest that it was Woody who took JR under his wing and has been hands on with him all year. This has been widely written about. Why not just give a coach his due?

Woody deserves some credit but keep in mind J.R. was under Woody last yr too...the guy who was doing things on twitter unprofessionally....also the same guy who said on twitter this yr to an under age girl something about Piping and going at Humphries somehwhat unprofessionally.

I did read an article this yr where J.R. said he doesn't party nearly as much this yr as he did last yr. Not sure if this is Woody getting through to him or a guy who is 27 about to turn 28 having been through some real tough situations causing him to adjust. But hey if you guys feel Woody deserves all the credit for a player shooting 42% and 35%, which are average at best in of themselves go with that. J.R. plays starters minutes and starters usage rate, therefore his numbers stood a chance to look better from an overall output and he's been in more positions to succeed.

Interesting, Just a few days ago you said that was elite for the regular season and early in the season you claimed it was elite. Now it's not.

Woody deserves credit for pushing JR to change his game. He has had more efficient shooting seasons but he never had stretches shooting the way he finished the year. Never avg more attempts and points in the paint and more Ft attempts consecutively.

I do agree Woody does not get all the credit. Jr deserves the lion's share.

No yellowboy...

I said Melo is an ELITE SCORER at "Volume" and the best at "Streaking" but not EFFICIENT and this season wasn't his "best season by the numbers" which some other poster suggested it was. Stop trying to mix and confuse. We can pull up threads if you like and dissect from there.

Scoring the basketball can be looked at so many different degrees, depending on who's doing the "eye test". Melo and J.R. have their nitch. I've referred J.R. as mini Melo except with way more athleticism. Melo to his credit even though not efficient as he should be and could be, is probably one of so many players who can shoot at volume every night and still produce offensively. It does take a lot to a certain extent physically to put up shots bearing a heavy workload. At the same time Melo and J.R. take a considerable high amount of low percentage shot/heat checkers.

NO when you where hyping up GGeorge for being an elite offensive player and elite defensive player you had no probelem claiming a 42% shooter was elite. I do not consider it elite but I didn't say he was.

The JR Smith that ended the year is elite though and he has a playoff to prove if he can continue to play at that level.

Smith did not start a game all season. But did you know that Smith played the most minutes of any Knick this season? More than Carmelo Anthony, or Tyson Chandler, or Raymond Felton. That’s 2,678 minutes logged for Smith. Tops on the Knicks, 32nd in the entire league, trailing only starters.

The next player on the league list who wasn’t a full-time starter is J.J. Redick, way down at 60th.

misterearl wrote:2678

Smith did not start a game all season. But did you know that Smith played the most minutes of any Knick this season? More than Carmelo Anthony, or Tyson Chandler, or Raymond Felton. That’s 2,678 minutes logged for Smith. Tops on the Knicks, 32nd in the entire league, trailing only starters.

The next player on the league list who wasn’t a full-time starter is J.J. Redick, way down at 60th.

More minutes if given the opportunity to have a high usage rate.....means more than likely higher numbers somewhere. He played 6-7min/gm and shot 3-4fga/gm more compared to his career averages. Math is Math.

Some see high usage rates and some other poor numbers.
Others see someone being an IronMan.

The lumping will continue until morale improves.

Hey, I don't really understand how you get a possible negative out of a 6th man who logs more minutes than anyone else on the team.
I'm just a commenter.

But then, I got so excited in our last 4th quarter I thought they gave Novak a three for committing a foul on defense!