3G4G wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

3G4G wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

tkf wrote:

3G4G wrote:When I see the Nuggets continue their torrid pace of winning without the STAR..... when they've had 2 of our former players plagued with injuries throughout their tenure there, and our team maintain a winning record without our STAR, and our STAR not put together sustainable performances in the playoffs leading to 1st round exits, I'm just not impressed with our STAR.

Hell Gallo had a tendency to get hot here.... at season's end, Lody Freakin Do!

CHIP or BUST Melo!

+100

So you guys never got excited when Gallinari went on any sort of streak? It was just as unimpressive as Melo's right?

Actually I didn't think too much of it at the time because back then the heated discussions were Gallo vs Chandler. Chandler went down with season injury one who of which I vouched as talented, if not more so than Gallo and thought his hot stretch should have been kept in perspective. But it was a hot stretch nonetheless.

People are doing the same with Melo's stretch too though. No ones saying he surpassed Lebron with his latest streak.

They're equating it to ECF appearance based on what? He got hot last yr and we could barely win a game against the Heat? They had no Bosh when we played them? Why didn't hot streak lead to a 4-2 or 4-3 series against them?

yellowboy90 wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

3G4G wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

3G4G wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

tkf wrote:

3G4G wrote:When I see the Nuggets continue their torrid pace of winning without the STAR..... when they've had 2 of our former players plagued with injuries throughout their tenure there, and our team maintain a winning record without our STAR, and our STAR not put together sustainable performances in the playoffs leading to 1st round exits, I'm just not impressed with our STAR.

Hell Gallo had a tendency to get hot here.... at season's end, Lody Freakin Do!

CHIP or BUST Melo!

+100

So you guys never got excited when Gallinari went on any sort of streak? It was just as unimpressive as Melo's right?

Actually I didn't think too much of it at the time because back then the heated discussions were Gallo vs Chandler. Chandler went down with season injury one who of which I vouched as talented, if not more so than Gallo and thought his hot stretch should have been kept in perspective. But it was a hot stretch nonetheless.

People are doing the same with Melo's stretch too though. No ones saying he surpassed Lebron with his latest streak.

They're equating it to ECF appearance based on what? He got hot last yr and we could barely win a game against the Heat? They had no Bosh when we played them? Why didn't hot streak lead to a 4-2 or 4-3 series against them?

I thought Bosh came back in time for the series? I know you're gonna say something about Melo having excuses attached to him but the team was extremely depleted last year. You really think - with the roster we had last year - that the Knicks could take the Heat further than they did? Winning one game was surprising enough.

Bosh played the whole series versus the Knicks. He played a game vs indy and only 3 vs Bos.

Yup, he played all 5 games vs the Knicks, only Chalmers, Wade, and Lebron played more minutes.

jrodmc wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:atleast 3g considers melo an elite offensive player. will that help you homers?

Offering good money for the 3G4G post that includes those exact words.

Melo is amongst the Elite in scoring, no one has ever questioned that...BEST PURE SCORER...NO! Is he this yr's Scoring Champ. Does he do anything remotely sustainable from a TEAM perspective other than scoring NO!

I've called him the best STREAK SCORER in the league several times this yr. That's it. That's all he's getting from me....nothing else.

3G4G wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:atleast 3g considers melo an elite offensive player. will that help you homers?

Offering good money for the 3G4G post that includes those exact words.

Melo is amongst the Elite in scoring, no one has ever questioned that...BEST PURE SCORER...NO! Is he this yr's Scoring Champ. Does he do anything remotely sustainable from a TEAM perspective other than scoring NO!

I've called him the best STREAK SCORER in the league several times this yr. That's it. That's all he's getting from me....nothing else.

how about defend the post, box out, pass, and causes stress on the defense. Those are some sustainable things. post players score about .667 ppp and shoot in the 30s against him. That helps the team. So now you have two things.

Knicksfan wrote:So its Team Melo vs. Team Nuggets on a Knicks message board when NY finally has a TEAM that could go all the way.

Yeah, who could expect different?

ChuckBuck wrote:

3G4G wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:atleast 3g considers melo an elite offensive player. will that help you homers?

Offering good money for the 3G4G post that includes those exact words.

Melo is amongst the Elite in scoring, no one has ever questioned that...BEST PURE SCORER...NO! Is he this yr's Scoring Champ. Does he do anything remotely sustainable from a TEAM perspective other than scoring NO!

I've called him the best STREAK SCORER in the league several times this yr. That's it. That's all he's getting from me....nothing else.

Who's the best pure scorer then?

explain pure scorer? I mean is there a pure rebounder? assist man? etc?

Durant won the scoring title 3 years in a row... lebron has over 3k more points than carmelo and they both came into the league at the same time... aren't those guys better scorers.. forget pure, or whatever that means in a scoring.. no one has really been able to define that, yet the term is used, heck... overused...

Knicksfan wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:So its Team Melo vs. Team Nuggets on a Knicks message board when NY finally has a TEAM that could go all the way.

Yeah, who could expect different?

I think its more Team Knicks vs Team Nuggets. Most of the people here are only sticking up for a player on their favorite team. Its kind of annoying when that gets generalized into being a Melo fanboy.

Its actually Team Melo because no matter how much he helps the Knicks, he is always considered this horrible player by many here, and others feel compelled to defend him.

Meanwhile, yeah, it should be about Team Knicks! I guess some people got so used to negativity, even when the team looks primed for an exciting long playoff run, they still need to find something to criticize.

OGkush121 wrote:

tkf wrote:

OGkush121 wrote:

3G4G wrote:When I see the Nuggets continue their torrid pace of winning without the STAR..... when they've had 2 of our former players plagued with injuries throughout their tenure there, and our team maintain a winning record without our STAR, and our STAR not put together sustainable performances in the playoffs leading to 1st round exits, I'm just not impressed with our STAR.

Hell Gallo had a tendency to get hot here.... at season's end, Lody Freakin Do!

CHIP or BUST Melo!

so any player that has failed to drive his team towards the NBA title is supposed to be a bust?

and Denver might have a good record, but they won't go far...2nd round AT BEST....Knicks actualy have a chance of making it to the Finals, or atleast ECF.

now tell me, how do you calculate this.. based on what? I would love to hear how you come to this conclusion.. Now if you are going to say, this is just homer talk.. fine... but how can you pass this off seriously?

Well first of all, apart from the recent Pistons team which was an incredibile defensive juggernaut no team has won a title without a genuine leader/star/go to guy.
You have great teams, which will win a lot of games, but there's a reason why superstars are so sought after, they give you an edge whichever way you look at it.
Not to mention I think our record (along with the Bulls most notably) isn't a true reflection of the team's strength since we've been ravaged by injuries and we're bound to get most of the guys back in time for the playoffs.
I'm not even remotely saying "we'll make the Finals" or that Denver has NO shot what-so-ever, I just struggle to think of a reason why anyone would give the Nuggets a better (or the same) chance.

The playoffs are a different game than the regular season, if you don't have anyone on your team willing to stand out, take charge and lead the team by example than you're not getting far unless you're by far the best defensive team (and you still need outstanding performances from certain players). Last time I checked the Nuggets can't check any of these 2 boxes, we can check off one.

That and the fact that we're in a good position to get past Boston (and have a good season series record against them), and presumably Indiana (it's going to be a tough one, but I wouldn't say we're outmatched or anything), and that we're one of (if not the) toughest matchup for the Heat, I think the Knicks have a legitimate chance.

Denver on the other hand as much sympathy as I have for them I just can't see them winning a 7game series against neither OKC nor the Spurs (I'm not even going to imagine a scenario in which they avoid both and come out on top of the Western conference or think about other teams' matchups)

well here is the flaw in your argument.. you use the pistons and then kind of dismiss them.. maybe there hasn't been many because many teams have not followed that model.. denver has to some degree and they are having success... same with the grizzlies..

next, we don't have a a genuine leader,or star....go to guy? really? JR smith has been a better go to guy than carmelo it seems.. why does this go to guy thing seem to weigh so heavily in your discussion. good teams win, they have a go to mentality as a team.... Was Duncan really a go to guy on the spurs, or was it a bit of parker, manu, one year horry, speedy claxton, steve kerr, all of them have made huge plays, winning plays for that team, in their title years..

The playoffs are a different game than the regular season, if you don't have anyone on your team willing to stand out, take charge and lead the team by example than you're not getting far unless you're by far the best defensive team (and you still need outstanding performances from certain players). Last time I checked the Nuggets can't check any of these 2 boxes, we can check off one.

yes, and carmelo has failed miserably there.... Denver is near the top of the league in scoring, points in the paint, points off turnovers... last time I checked, that wins in regular season and in postseason...

That and the fact that we're in a good position to get past Boston (and have a good season series record against them), and presumably Indiana (it's going to be a tough one, but I wouldn't say we're outmatched or anything), and that we're one of (if not the) toughest matchup for the Heat, I think the Knicks have a legitimate chance.

honestly, you haven't provided anything material here.. just hoping and wishing, and if that is what you want to do.. fine, but you can't say with a straight face that the knicks have a chance at the finals, and Denver who had a better record in a tougher conference doesn't because they don't have a "go to guy" or because the knicks had injuries.. I mean so did denver.. not a good excuse man..

Both denver and the knicks have worthy first round opponents.. the warriors are good and dangerous... the celts are still a savvy bunch and pierce has a history of killing the knicks.. Not sure how you can draw up any kind of real argument that supports the knicks having a better chance than the nuggets do, surviving the first round... honestly....

Both teams can lose in the first round.. the difference is.. Denver has a window that is wide open.. the knicks don't.... so enjoy the ride... as a fan you should, but at least be realistic... and fair..

tkf wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

3G4G wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:atleast 3g considers melo an elite offensive player. will that help you homers?

Offering good money for the 3G4G post that includes those exact words.

Melo is amongst the Elite in scoring, no one has ever questioned that...BEST PURE SCORER...NO! Is he this yr's Scoring Champ. Does he do anything remotely sustainable from a TEAM perspective other than scoring NO!

I've called him the best STREAK SCORER in the league several times this yr. That's it. That's all he's getting from me....nothing else.

Who's the best pure scorer then?

explain pure scorer? I mean is there a pure rebounder? assist man? etc?

Durant won the scoring title 3 years in a row... lebron has over 3k more points than carmelo and they both came into the league at the same time... aren't those guys better scorers.. forget pure, or whatever that means in a scoring.. no one has really been able to define that, yet the term is used, heck... overused...

well...I know 3k points is something, however I'm pretty sure there's not such a big difference in ppg (except for sitting out the last couple of games in a season James never misses a game, while Melo's had his share of injuries, that does account for something whichever way you look at it)

tkf wrote:

OGkush121 wrote:

tkf wrote:

OGkush121 wrote:

3G4G wrote:When I see the Nuggets continue their torrid pace of winning without the STAR..... when they've had 2 of our former players plagued with injuries throughout their tenure there, and our team maintain a winning record without our STAR, and our STAR not put together sustainable performances in the playoffs leading to 1st round exits, I'm just not impressed with our STAR.

Hell Gallo had a tendency to get hot here.... at season's end, Lody Freakin Do!

CHIP or BUST Melo!

so any player that has failed to drive his team towards the NBA title is supposed to be a bust?

and Denver might have a good record, but they won't go far...2nd round AT BEST....Knicks actualy have a chance of making it to the Finals, or atleast ECF.

now tell me, how do you calculate this.. based on what? I would love to hear how you come to this conclusion.. Now if you are going to say, this is just homer talk.. fine... but how can you pass this off seriously?

Well first of all, apart from the recent Pistons team which was an incredibile defensive juggernaut no team has won a title without a genuine leader/star/go to guy.
You have great teams, which will win a lot of games, but there's a reason why superstars are so sought after, they give you an edge whichever way you look at it.
Not to mention I think our record (along with the Bulls most notably) isn't a true reflection of the team's strength since we've been ravaged by injuries and we're bound to get most of the guys back in time for the playoffs.
I'm not even remotely saying "we'll make the Finals" or that Denver has NO shot what-so-ever, I just struggle to think of a reason why anyone would give the Nuggets a better (or the same) chance.

The playoffs are a different game than the regular season, if you don't have anyone on your team willing to stand out, take charge and lead the team by example than you're not getting far unless you're by far the best defensive team (and you still need outstanding performances from certain players). Last time I checked the Nuggets can't check any of these 2 boxes, we can check off one.

That and the fact that we're in a good position to get past Boston (and have a good season series record against them), and presumably Indiana (it's going to be a tough one, but I wouldn't say we're outmatched or anything), and that we're one of (if not the) toughest matchup for the Heat, I think the Knicks have a legitimate chance.

Denver on the other hand as much sympathy as I have for them I just can't see them winning a 7game series against neither OKC nor the Spurs (I'm not even going to imagine a scenario in which they avoid both and come out on top of the Western conference or think about other teams' matchups)

well here is the flaw in your argument.. you use the pistons and then kind of dismiss them.. maybe there hasn't been many because many teams have not followed that model.. denver has to some degree and they are having success... same with the grizzlies..

next, we don't have a a genuine leader,or star....go to guy? really? JR smith has been a better go to guy than carmelo it seems.. why does this go to guy thing seem to weigh so heavily in your discussion. good teams win, they have a go to mentality as a team.... Was Duncan really a go to guy on the spurs, or was it a bit of parker, manu, one year horry, speedy claxton, steve kerr, all of them have made huge plays, winning plays for that team, in their title years..

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tkf wrote:

OGkush121 wrote:
The playoffs are a different game than the regular season, if you don't have anyone on your team willing to stand out, take charge and lead the team by example than you're not getting far unless you're by far the best defensive team (and you still need outstanding performances from certain players). Last time I checked the Nuggets can't check any of these 2 boxes, we can check off one.

yes, and carmelo has failed miserably there.... Denver is near the top of the league in scoring, points in the paint, points off turnovers... last time I checked, that wins in regular season and in postseason...

That and the fact that we're in a good position to get past Boston (and have a good season series record against them), and presumably Indiana (it's going to be a tough one, but I wouldn't say we're outmatched or anything), and that we're one of (if not the) toughest matchup for the Heat, I think the Knicks have a legitimate chance.

honestly, you haven't provided anything material here.. just hoping and wishing, and if that is what you want to do.. fine, but you can't say with a straight face that the knicks have a chance at the finals, and Denver who had a better record in a tougher conference doesn't because they don't have a "go to guy" or because the knicks had injuries.. I mean so did denver.. not a good excuse man..

Both denver and the knicks have worthy first round opponents.. the warriors are good and dangerous... the celts are still a savvy bunch and pierce has a history of killing the knicks.. Not sure how you can draw up any kind of real argument that supports the knicks having a better chance than the nuggets do, surviving the first round... honestly....

Both teams can lose in the first round.. the difference is.. Denver has a window that is wide open.. the knicks don't.... so enjoy the ride... as a fan you should, but at least be realistic... and fair..

Denver's window is wide open to ...what? What about their model explains your unbridled optimism about the future of a franchise that has gone nowhere in recent history without Melo? Just asking. You sound so sure, but there's nothing there to support your point, other than your feeling that their model is better than ours.