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I like the team starting better with Kenyon Martin over Chandler
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3/24/2013  1:39 AM
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BRIGGS wrote:What Martin is doing is allowing us to play a 4-1 spread and move away from other teams jamming the lane for Tyson Chandlers only move--the alley oop. Martin has changed this team almost impossible to do so late in the season and honestly gives this team hope now into the playoffs. Just like the 49ers changed their starting QB late in the season---how can we move away from something that is working?????? At a minimum no reason to rush Tyson back. Having Martin as the main 5 allows guys like Smith and Anthony a LOT of room to do their thing and we play great D with Martin

You are 100% correct. I agree that Tyson hurts us on the offensive end. No real upgrade at center though for us to target.

with Martin we have Carmelo in the Miami model now--no C---they can do what they want--I would keep Kenyon Martin at starting C for 28 minutes and uise Tyson for 25 as well with a few overlapping rotations to go big 4-5 otherwise stay 4-1 and mobile

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3/24/2013  4:57 AM
BRIGGS wrote:What Martin is doing is allowing us to play a 4-1 spread and move away from other teams jamming the lane for Tyson Chandlers only move--the alley oop. Martin has changed this team almost impossible to do so late in the season and honestly gives this team hope now into the playoffs. Just like the 49ers changed their starting QB late in the season---how can we move away from something that is working?????? At a minimum no reason to rush Tyson back. Having Martin as the main 5 allows guys like Smith and Anthony a LOT of room to do their thing and we play great D with Martin

Agreed. But, when we play Miami I wonder if we mix in Chandler in that lineup. As we seemed to have their number while doing so. Even that game we lost was closer...

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3/24/2013  4:59 AM
I think Woodson is right on this one. They can't start together. They play the exact same role in the offseason and neither can really shoot to space the floor. I would start Martin and bring Tyson of the bench to avoid slow starts but that aint happenin
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3/24/2013  8:12 AM
Since Melo can play PF or SF, you just need to ask which of these three players is playing at the lowest level and should be benched: Tyson Chandler, Kenyon Martin, or Iman Shumpert? It's really not a hard question!
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3/24/2013  8:23 AM
No Bonn it comes down to synergy and which players fit together and bench needs.

One of the two bigs need to go to the bench that way there is no drop off defensively. And like I said offensively both playbthe same roll. They cant be on the court together cos none can stretch the floor. The paint will be overcrowded with both guys on the pick n roll and going for iffensive rebs.

My vote is Tyson to the bench. He could use the rest. Hes been banged up all yr
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3/24/2013  9:00 AM
And Shumpert can stretch the floor?
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3/24/2013  9:09 AM
And what big man spreads the floor for the Clippers or Nuggets?
I'm not saying spreading the floor is irrelevant but it can't outweigh the fact that Tyson rebounds at triple and blocks shots at six times the rate of Shumpert and is almost twice as efficient a scorer as Shumpert.
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3/24/2013  9:24 AM
BRIGGS wrote:What Martin is doing is allowing us to play a 4-1 spread and move away from other teams jamming the lane for Tyson Chandlers only move--the alley oop. Martin has changed this team almost impossible to do so late in the season and honestly gives this team hope now into the playoffs. Just like the 49ers changed their starting QB late in the season---how can we move away from something that is working?????? At a minimum no reason to rush Tyson back. Having Martin as the main 5 allows guys like Smith and Anthony a LOT of room to do their thing and we play great D with Martin

We ALWAYS move away from something that's working! It's the Knicks way....
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3/24/2013  9:58 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:Martin at PF and Melo at SF would make more sense.

Pretty Much. Hopefully Woodson see's it this way aswell.....
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3/24/2013  10:16 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:And what big man spreads the floor for the Clippers or Nuggets?
I'm not saying spreading the floor is irrelevant but it can't outweigh the fact that Tyson rebounds at triple and blocks shots at six times the rate of Shumpert and is almost twice as efficient a scorer as Shumpert.

You can t play a 4-1 set starting both Martin and Chandler which is what is giving us the space. Once we have two interior players it will clog the lane and the shooters will have added perimeter pressure. Also Shumpert and Chandler play 2 totally different positions.

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3/24/2013  10:30 AM
You're such a conventional thinker Briggs.
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3/24/2013  10:38 AM
We used our size to beat the Heat earlier. Not sure if we can be better than Miami at playing small ball.
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3/24/2013  10:40 AM
Not sure if we can be better than Miami without the help of a magician. That's another story.
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3/24/2013  10:52 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/24/2013  10:55 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:And what big man spreads the floor for the Clippers or Nuggets?
I'm not saying spreading the floor is irrelevant but it can't outweigh the fact that Tyson rebounds at triple and blocks shots at six times the rate of Shumpert and is almost twice as efficient a scorer as Shumpert.

Guards stretch the floor whether the shot falls or not. They are perimeter players. Centers who cant shoot do not. No what im saying?

And like briggs said you cant play the 4-1 set that is working great right now with both tyson and martin. Woodson kniws this. Unfortunately he will start tyson not kmart and we will go back to bad starts bad offense in the 1st

Tyaon makes $14mil Kmart makes $1mil. We all know who is starting
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3/24/2013  10:58 AM
ramtour420 wrote:We used our size to beat the Heat earlier. Not sure if we can be better than Miami at playing small ball.

We cant beat them with tyson and melo. This was proven in the embarrassment that was last years near sweep. Need offense to beat miami. Tyson gives u known but putbacks and alleys. This is the reason why getting Amare back fir the ecf is so important even in a bench role. Although the addition of kmart gives us a better chance if amare doesnt return
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3/24/2013  11:09 AM
gunsnewing wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:And what big man spreads the floor for the Clippers or Nuggets?
I'm not saying spreading the floor is irrelevant but it can't outweigh the fact that Tyson rebounds at triple and blocks shots at six times the rate of Shumpert and is almost twice as efficient a scorer as Shumpert.

Guards stretch the floor whether the shot falls or not. They are perimeter players. Centers who cant shoot do not. No what im saying?

And like briggs said you cant play the 4-1 set that is working great right now with both tyson and martin. Woodson kniws this. Unfortunately he will start tyson not kmart and we will go back to bad starts bad offense in the 1st

Tyaon makes $14mil Kmart makes $1mil. We all know who is starting

You guys spend too much time worrying about the offensive end of the floor. Defense is going to make or break us in the playoffs. This small lineup will hurt us against the elite teams. The small lienup has too many guys playing out of position and leaves us undersized on the defensive end. Melo is a SF guarding PF's, Shump is a SG, trying to gurad bigger SF's and Felton is a 6'1 PG, trying to guard SG's. We can get away with it against the Rapts and Magic, but so much aganst the Bulls, Pacers or even the Nets who will kill us on the boards, and at the SF/SG spot on the defensive end.
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3/24/2013  11:20 AM
Uptown wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:And what big man spreads the floor for the Clippers or Nuggets?
I'm not saying spreading the floor is irrelevant but it can't outweigh the fact that Tyson rebounds at triple and blocks shots at six times the rate of Shumpert and is almost twice as efficient a scorer as Shumpert.

Guards stretch the floor whether the shot falls or not. They are perimeter players. Centers who cant shoot do not. No what im saying?

And like briggs said you cant play the 4-1 set that is working great right now with both tyson and martin. Woodson kniws this. Unfortunately he will start tyson not kmart and we will go back to bad starts bad offense in the 1st

Tyaon makes $14mil Kmart makes $1mil. We all know who is starting

You guys spend too much time worrying about the offensive end of the floor. Defense is going to make or break us in the playoffs. This small lineup will hurt us against the elite teams. The small lienup has too many guys playing out of position and leaves us undersized on the defensive end. Melo is a SF guarding PF's, Shump is a SG, trying to gurad bigger SF's and Felton is a 6'1 PG, trying to guard SG's. We can get away with it against the Rapts and Magic, but so much aganst the Bulls, Pacers or even the Nets who will kill us on the boards, and at the SF/SG spot on the defensive end.


You add to that how much the Knicks switch and you get an even bigger problem
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3/24/2013  11:33 AM
I think its the other way. Most fans only care about the defense with a complete disregard for offense. You need both. See miami okc and san antinio
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3/24/2013  11:44 AM
gunsnewing wrote:I think its the other way. Most fans only care about the defense with a complete disregard for offense. You need both. See miami okc and san antinio

I just think that a team like ours that relies on 3 point shooting and Melo is gonna need defense to fall back on when one of those doesnt work.
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3/24/2013  11:49 AM
gunsnewing wrote:I think its the other way. Most fans only care about the defense with a complete disregard for offense. You need both. See miami okc and san antinio

Really? Why are almost all all-stars high PPG players then?
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