fitzfarm wrote:I'm sorry but Lebron and mj shouldn't even be put in the same sentence... Come back to me when Lebron is 35 and has five rings and is going for number 6 like Jordan then we compare.

And also when he is not a woman, because Jordan was Da Man

Nalod wrote:

Solace wrote:Can't agree, for the reasons guns outlined. The major differentiator is coming through in the clutch, getting up for big games. In a regular season game, as far as numbers, efficiency, sure, maybe you can argue LeBron. But, LeBron has choked multiple times. Jordan has not. Give me a game 7, down by 1, and I'll take Jordan every time and he will win 8 or 9 out of 10 times. LeBron might win 5 out of 10. LeBron is an incredible talent and probably will go down as one of the top 5 players of all time. But he's not Jordan.

If he has some dramatic postseason battles where he is victorious and the reason for the victories, and matches MJ's clutchness over the next 5 years, I will happily rethink my stance.

You get the benefit of hindsight and the Legend that was Jordan which was pounded in our heads. He was epic and the best of his generation and before.

Jordan has his "moments" but we only see the highlights to galvanize the legend.

I use Wilt because in his prime he was unstoppable and the best player in the game. Not the best "winner" or "finisher" perhaps.

Maybe Lebron does not have resume via "chips". Jordan did not win his first until he was 27 either and "clutch" was not tatoo'd on him yet.

Jordan might have had the better career, but Lebron is a bigger, faster player with better vision and he shoots over 50% now.

Focus on "better career".

But if you measure by "career" then Bill Russell is better than Jordan. 2 NCAA mens championships to his gaudy NBA total.

During those years the Knicks gave MJ and the Bulls everything they could handle and even more. Taking them to 7 games everytime and MJ and Pippen did foul Smith is was plain to see but the refs never called it. Had it been MJ on the other side he would have gotten the call. I didn't like MJ back then. You know he would carry 5 - 10 cell phones with him on the road. Who would need all those cell phones. Oh and I think LeBron is better than MJ hands down and as a matter of fact the players in this era are like on something very healthy like maybe dear anther juice? We will soon find out next season

Papabear wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Solace wrote:Can't agree, for the reasons guns outlined. The major differentiator is coming through in the clutch, getting up for big games. In a regular season game, as far as numbers, efficiency, sure, maybe you can argue LeBron. But, LeBron has choked multiple times. Jordan has not. Give me a game 7, down by 1, and I'll take Jordan every time and he will win 8 or 9 out of 10 times. LeBron might win 5 out of 10. LeBron is an incredible talent and probably will go down as one of the top 5 players of all time. But he's not Jordan.

If he has some dramatic postseason battles where he is victorious and the reason for the victories, and matches MJ's clutchness over the next 5 years, I will happily rethink my stance.

You get the benefit of hindsight and the Legend that was Jordan which was pounded in our heads. He was epic and the best of his generation and before.

Jordan has his "moments" but we only see the highlights to galvanize the legend.

I use Wilt because in his prime he was unstoppable and the best player in the game. Not the best "winner" or "finisher" perhaps.

Maybe Lebron does not have resume via "chips". Jordan did not win his first until he was 27 either and "clutch" was not tatoo'd on him yet.

Jordan might have had the better career, but Lebron is a bigger, faster player with better vision and he shoots over 50% now.

Focus on "better career".

But if you measure by "career" then Bill Russell is better than Jordan. 2 NCAA mens championships to his gaudy NBA total.

Papabear Says

During those years the Knicks gave MJ and the Bulls everything they could handle and even more. Taking them to 7 games everytime and MJ and Pippen did foul Smith is was plain to see but the refs never called it. Had it been MJ on the other side he would have gotten the call. I didn't like MJ back then. You know he would carry 5 - 10 cell phones with him on the road. Who would need all those cell phones.

Things That Make You Go Hmmmmmmmm!!!!!!!

I don't care how big his muscles are. Has anybody ever questioned Jordans ability to perform in the clutch? Has anybody ever questioned his IQ?

Jordan did too much for the game of basketball for me to say anybody is better than him. Plus it's way too early....Lebron is still shaping history!

Jordan is a better and more dynamic scorer. He can score in any way possible. LeBron just uses his unprecedented combination of power and speed to score. That doesn't last forever. Once LeBron loses his athleticism he will not have the career Jordan had in his last 30's. Jordan was still good when he was older because his jump shot was one of the best ever. Can't say the same for LeBron. When the athleticism and speed goes he wont be able to sustain his career like Jordan or even Kobe.

Either way, right now and ever, he will never be better than Jordan.

Jordan lost the high flying act and adapted.

Jordan did not win his 5th MVP until age 34.

Lebron is 28. The trajectory is similar.

Knicks don't factor in at all.

Rules change, they changed the court lanes because of Wilt. they put a half circle around the foul line because wilt used to run and dunk to shoot free throws. The game always changed.

Both players are athletic freaks. Jordan adapted, we'll see if Lebron continues to get better. Last season he added a low post game and is unstoppable. His outside shot is getting better like Jordan's did.

run the comps to the same age not Jordans whole career. Compelling discussion.