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AnubisADL
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3/17/2013  11:23 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:He's not in the top 10 in mpg or top 50 in total minutes. I don't think he's getting worn into the ground if you mean that Woodson is playing him ridiculous minutes. He's just aging.

Yet Melo leads the league in usage rate. Seriously Bonn you need to do better. Obviously minutes don't mean a dam thing if your standing around.

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3/17/2013  11:51 AM
What NBA player just stands around?
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3/17/2013  11:53 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:What NBA player just stands around?

The other 4 guys playing with melo?

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3/17/2013  11:59 AM
Andrew wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:What NBA player just stands around?

The other 4 guys playing with melo?


So true.
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3/17/2013  12:04 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/17/2013  12:22 PM
knickscity wrote:All doctors speculate before they receive the patient, the have an idea just based on the reported symptoms.

really not newsworthy imo.


Read This Carefully...... Ask Yourself If This Is Newsworthy Once More

Here's what 2 Doctor sources said 1 unnamed both not having seen Amar'e medical records/condition prior to his left knee procedure at season's begin


When news broke Monday night that Amar'e Stoudemire would be out another six to eight weeks, it sparked a lot of speculation as to the root of his left knee problem.

But one renowned orthopedist strongly believes that Stoudemire's recovery from the ruptured popliteal cyst isn't the only thing he's facing.

"Something else is going on in his knee besides the Baker's cyst," said Stephen E. Blythe, a Miami surgeon who's been practicing for more than 40 years and has experience treating pro athletes. "It's unusual to rest someone that long. I'd be looking at really what's wrong with the inside of his knee that causes a Baker's cyst, and how is that going to affect things?"

The doctor said that because Stoudemire is a patient of microfracture surgery in 2005, he already has some damaged bone in his knee. Therefore, some degenerative changes could have been giving him trouble lately, resulting in the popliteal cyst. While the doctor said that many regular people have asymptomatic Baker's cysts, Stoudemire's was likely larger and more symptomatic.

But even if it ruptured, and may have required a surgical procedure to clean up the inside of his knee, it wouldn't take up to eight weeks for Stoudemire to return.

"The cyst doesn't add any stability or instability to the knee at all," Blythe said. "It just bulges out in the back of your knee, and most of the time, it's symptomatic when it gets large enough that it causes mechanical symptoms in the back of the knee. But when it ruptures, the inflammation, bleeding and so forth usually go away fairly quickly."

The doctor said there is likely more knowledge on Stoudemire's knee that is yet to be released.

"There's information there that you don't know about," he said. "It sounds to me like (the Knicks) are just giving some information, but not full information about what's going in the knee. The only way you'll know if there's more to it than what they say is if the team or the surgeons are willing to give that info to you."

What we do know, however, is that Stoudemire's left knee will never be 100 percent again. In fact, another orthopedist surgeon who currently works for a championship-contending team said, "Stoudemire's knees, at this point in his career, are like a 70-year-old's." (His right knee has also been operated on.)

Knicks fans may have to deal with the reality that STAT's minutes could be curtailed, but he can still be effective in the time he plays. Perhaps that's more with the second unit?


The first injury left him out of the season for 10weeks as he bumped knees with Copeland on Oct 11th in practice and then it ruptured I believe approximately Oct 19th(right after the Raptor PS Game) 1 week later. He spent almost a couple weeks getting opinions on his knee then he had his knee(left) de-brided.


Woodson said Stoudemire is questionable for Saturday’s game.

“I could play if I needed to, but it’s preseason,” Stoudemire told reporters after Friday’s practice. “We’re not going to force anything right now.”

During the Knicks’ 108-101 victory over the Wizards, Stoudemire said he would play in Saturday’s game in a short interview with MSG.

“It’s nothing major,” he said of his injury. “The first two days are the toughest days when it comes to a bone bruise. I should be good to go.”

Stoudemire declined to speak with the news media after the game, but his knee was wrapped in the locker room. The injury occurred in Wednesday’s practice when Stoudemire was driving to the basket and bumped knees with Chris Copeland. At the time, the Knicks didn’t consider the injury serious and Woodson gave Stoudemire the rest of practice off. When Stoudemire went home, he noticed his knee swelled up the next day to the point it restricted his movement.

“A bone bruise is never a fun thing,” he said. “It takes a while for it to heal. Right now, we’re just trying to break up the blood that’s in there and loosen it up.”


Amare Stoudemire will be out two to three weeks with a ruptured popliteal cyst behind his left knee, the New York Knicks announced after Sunday afternoon's practice at the Carrier Dome in Syracuse, N.Y.

Stoudemire returned to New York City on Sunday morning to get a re-evaluation of his knee, where he suffered a bone bruise Oct. 10 during practice. An MRI then revealed the latest injury

He returns plays about 6weeks under managed minutes(under 30min/gm) and now he's having his other knee(right) de-brided. Appears these doctors know more than we think they know.


So we shouldn't be questioning Isola's validity to article or putting all faith into Melo's knee being fine because an MRI was done stating no structural damage. Could it be true, sure and by having his knee drained he'll be fine, sure but what has history proven with our Cracker Jack Box medical staff? What have other outside medical source opinions proven when discussing our situations?

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3/17/2013  12:15 PM
PHX knew Amare knees had a life expectancy...any doctor can piggy back off their reasoning.

It's still speculation, the only ones that know about melo knee is the doctors who did the MRI, everything else is a GUESS.

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3/17/2013  12:16 PM
knickscity wrote:
Andrew wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:What NBA player just stands around?

The other 4 guys playing with melo?


So true.

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3/17/2013  12:53 PM
Melo seems like he's going thru a similar thing to Amar'e in that when MDA was riding Amar'e with a league high usage rate, he broke down. Melo was playing harder than he has in years at the start of the year and don't forget he played in the Olympics too. People tend to ignore the whole Olympic effect, but it can add up. Woody did his best MDA impression with this team. He's had some younger guys available and didn't use them. Heck even old Prigs could've been used more to limit minutes for Kidd and Felton. A lot of coaches are somewhat old school and go with the shorter rotation thing. It's fine if you have a younger team, but with older guys with miles on their knees, it's a risky move.

I thought the idea of White and Cope was to use them to limit minutes for older guys. I thought the idea was to try and avoid bac2bacs for Amar'e and Kidd and give Melo a game off once in a while. It's something you have to be strategic about. But I could swear that I remember reading that Woody said they'd be doing things like that this year, so what happened?

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3/17/2013  1:15 PM
Andrew wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:What NBA player just stands around?

The other 4 guys playing with melo?

Ouch baby, ouch. It's true tho

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3/17/2013  1:15 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/17/2013  1:16 PM
nixluva wrote:Melo seems like he's going thru a similar thing to Amar'e in that when MDA was riding Amar'e with a league high usage rate, he broke down. Melo was playing harder than he has in years at the start of the year and don't forget he played in the Olympics too. People tend to ignore the whole Olympic effect, but it can add up. Woody did his best MDA impression with this team. He's had some younger guys available and didn't use them. Heck even old Prigs could've been used more to limit minutes for Kidd and Felton. A lot of coaches are somewhat old school and go with the shorter rotation thing. It's fine if you have a younger team, but with older guys with miles on their knees, it's a risky move.

I thought the idea of White and Cope was to use them to limit minutes for older guys. I thought the idea was to try and avoid bac2bacs for Amar'e and Kidd and give Melo a game off once in a while. It's something you have to be strategic about. But I could swear that I remember reading that Woody said they'd be doing things like that this year, so what happened?

Trying to WIN GAMES AT ALL COSTS and COACHING BY FEEL....you can't do that. Yes the objective is to win games but at what cost? Yes you want to have players feel comfortable playing for you but you can't make decisions going with your gut and let them make decisions for you. You need to Coach by Principle and in the Best Interest for the Team short and long term.

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3/17/2013  1:33 PM
nixluva wrote:Melo seems like he's going thru a similar thing to Amar'e in that when MDA was riding Amar'e with a league high usage rate, he broke down. Melo was playing harder than he has in years at the start of the year and don't forget he played in the Olympics too. People tend to ignore the whole Olympic effect, but it can add up. Woody did his best MDA impression with this team. He's had some younger guys available and didn't use them. Heck even old Prigs could've been used more to limit minutes for Kidd and Felton. A lot of coaches are somewhat old school and go with the shorter rotation thing. It's fine if you have a younger team, but with older guys with miles on their knees, it's a risky move.

I thought the idea of White and Cope was to use them to limit minutes for older guys. I thought the idea was to try and avoid bac2bacs for Amar'e and Kidd and give Melo a game off once in a while. It's something you have to be strategic about. But I could swear that I remember reading that Woody said they'd be doing things like that this year, so what happened?

White definitely was supposed to limit minutes. I don't think the Knicks had definite plans for Cope. I think if Chris Smith doesn't get hurt Cope gets cut not because he isn't better but I think Chris/JR was a package deal.
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3/17/2013  2:44 PM
AnubisADL wrote:Melo is getting worn into the ground McGrady style. Amare is the modern day Grant Hill.

Papabear Says

All I can say is if Melo's injury is worse than what the Knicks Machine is saying. Dolan will have a hell of a price to pay. Fans will be running to Brooklyn in droves. All you need is someone like Spike Lee to start the exotis. Dolan may be forced to sell then and only then.

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3/17/2013  2:47 PM
Papabear wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Melo is getting worn into the ground McGrady style. Amare is the modern day Grant Hill.

Papabear Says

All I can say is if Melo's injury is worse than what the Knicks Machine is saying. Dolan will have a hell of a price to pay. Fans will be running to Brooklyn in droves. All you need is someone like Spike Lee to start the exotis. Dolan may be forced to sell then and only then.

Doubtful. As I said Melo is no fool. I suspect he opts out to sign a 5 yr deal. However, I wouldn't put it past him to bolt to another team if it's a better chance to win.

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3/17/2013  3:00 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
Papabear wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Melo is getting worn into the ground McGrady style. Amare is the modern day Grant Hill.

Papabear Says

All I can say is if Melo's injury is worse than what the Knicks Machine is saying. Dolan will have a hell of a price to pay. Fans will be running to Brooklyn in droves. All you need is someone like Spike Lee to start the exotis. Dolan may be forced to sell then and only then.

Doubtful. As I said Melo is no fool. I suspect he opts out to sign a 5 yr deal. However, I wouldn't put it past him to bolt to another team if it's a better chance to win.

However it ends, I think it will be ugly

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3/17/2013  3:02 PM
IronWillGiroud wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
Papabear wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Melo is getting worn into the ground McGrady style. Amare is the modern day Grant Hill.

Papabear Says

All I can say is if Melo's injury is worse than what the Knicks Machine is saying. Dolan will have a hell of a price to pay. Fans will be running to Brooklyn in droves. All you need is someone like Spike Lee to start the exotis. Dolan may be forced to sell then and only then.

Doubtful. As I said Melo is no fool. I suspect he opts out to sign a 5 yr deal. However, I wouldn't put it past him to bolt to another team if it's a better chance to win.

However it ends, I think it will be ugly


Most fans could care less what melo does, I'm positive folks wont complain much if he did leave.
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3/17/2013  3:02 PM
IronWillGiroud wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
Papabear wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Melo is getting worn into the ground McGrady style. Amare is the modern day Grant Hill.

Papabear Says

All I can say is if Melo's injury is worse than what the Knicks Machine is saying. Dolan will have a hell of a price to pay. Fans will be running to Brooklyn in droves. All you need is someone like Spike Lee to start the exotis. Dolan may be forced to sell then and only then.

Doubtful. As I said Melo is no fool. I suspect he opts out to sign a 5 yr deal. However, I wouldn't put it past him to bolt to another team if it's a better chance to win.

However it ends, I think it will be ugly

Marbury ugly?

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3/17/2013  3:07 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
IronWillGiroud wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
Papabear wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Melo is getting worn into the ground McGrady style. Amare is the modern day Grant Hill.

Papabear Says

All I can say is if Melo's injury is worse than what the Knicks Machine is saying. Dolan will have a hell of a price to pay. Fans will be running to Brooklyn in droves. All you need is someone like Spike Lee to start the exotis. Dolan may be forced to sell then and only then.

Doubtful. As I said Melo is no fool. I suspect he opts out to sign a 5 yr deal. However, I wouldn't put it past him to bolt to another team if it's a better chance to win.

However it ends, I think it will be ugly

Marbury ugly?

Tough to say but the potential is there, for sure

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3/17/2013  3:07 PM
knickscity wrote:
IronWillGiroud wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
Papabear wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Melo is getting worn into the ground McGrady style. Amare is the modern day Grant Hill.

Papabear Says

All I can say is if Melo's injury is worse than what the Knicks Machine is saying. Dolan will have a hell of a price to pay. Fans will be running to Brooklyn in droves. All you need is someone like Spike Lee to start the exotis. Dolan may be forced to sell then and only then.

Doubtful. As I said Melo is no fool. I suspect he opts out to sign a 5 yr deal. However, I wouldn't put it past him to bolt to another team if it's a better chance to win.

However it ends, I think it will be ugly


Most fans could care less what melo does, I'm positive folks wont complain much if he did leave.

Probably won't complain because the next starphucke is right on its heels

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3/17/2013  3:14 PM
IronWillGiroud wrote:
knickscity wrote:
IronWillGiroud wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
Papabear wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Melo is getting worn into the ground McGrady style. Amare is the modern day Grant Hill.

Papabear Says

All I can say is if Melo's injury is worse than what the Knicks Machine is saying. Dolan will have a hell of a price to pay. Fans will be running to Brooklyn in droves. All you need is someone like Spike Lee to start the exotis. Dolan may be forced to sell then and only then.

Doubtful. As I said Melo is no fool. I suspect he opts out to sign a 5 yr deal. However, I wouldn't put it past him to bolt to another team if it's a better chance to win.

However it ends, I think it will be ugly


Most fans could care less what melo does, I'm positive folks wont complain much if he did leave.

Probably won't complain because the next starphucke is right on its heels


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