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How about Tyson Chandler to Charlotte for Ben Gordon and the 12th pick
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3/17/2013  12:22 AM
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ramtour420 wrote:This is not a good trade. Without Tyson we are going nowhere. We will get outrebounded by 30 every game.

Tyson is not the answer 4 this team

the answer to what question?
Is he the first true center we've had since Ewing left (aside from Camby who was always injured)?
The answer is yes. Considering what a difficult time the Knicks have had finding a center over the years, he's not a guy whose contract I want to "dump". Tyson has value on this team

Papabear Says

You can't compare Tyson to Ewing. Ewing could shoot the rock 15 ft away 20 ft away and under the basket. Chandler can't do that. Chandler can't back up a player to the basket and score. If Tyson was Patrick Ewing we would probably have 11 more wins this season.

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3/17/2013  12:38 AM
Lin
Iman
Gallo
Lee or Amare
Tyson

Bayless *MLE* or Felton
Wilson Chandler
JR Smith
Martin
Mozgov


and keeping all of our picks, assets, we could have used would have been a YOUNG TEAM CONCEPT, and fun to watch

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3/17/2013  12:50 AM
I wonder if Utah would be interested in Chandler for 2 of their bigs
I think Kanter will be given much more PT next season as he will be their future Center
Jefferson is too small to play the Center

probably Millsap and Favors, 2 for 1?
Thing is if we do add Millsap he probably would have to agree to a 2 year extension so we would have enough cap room in 2015 like Kris Humphries

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3/17/2013  7:17 AM
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RonRon wrote:Bobcats gained a 1st rounder from Detroit by absorbing Gordon's contract while losing Maggette's expiring
With Henderson and Bullens looking for their payday it will be interesting to see if they sign them for long term or trade them for assets

Chandler is final piece you add to contend for a championship or at least to a team that is contending already, not a rebuilding team
For that reason I just can't see them giving up a lottery pick for a player that will not be happy there in Charlotte and will leave in 2 years
At the very least, I would expect to either part with Iman Shumpert and/or take back a HORRIBLE contract in Tyrus Thomas with Gordon for them to consider it

Agree. Also, Mullens has been playing well and looks like a keeper. They also have Bismack.

Exactly. They'd be crazy to give up the 12th pick for tyson

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3/17/2013  7:49 AM
Papabear wrote:
Panos wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
ramtour420 wrote:This is not a good trade. Without Tyson we are going nowhere. We will get outrebounded by 30 every game.

Tyson is not the answer 4 this team

the answer to what question?
Is he the first true center we've had since Ewing left (aside from Camby who was always injured)?
The answer is yes. Considering what a difficult time the Knicks have had finding a center over the years, he's not a guy whose contract I want to "dump". Tyson has value on this team

Papabear Says

You can't compare Tyson to Ewing. Ewing could shoot the rock 15 ft away 20 ft away and under the basket. Chandler can't do that. Chandler can't back up a player to the basket and score. If Tyson was Patrick Ewing we would probably have 11 more wins this season.

I never compared Tyson and Patrick. Where do you see that?
All I said was that in all the years since Patrick we never had a true (capable) center, because they are hard to get. I anm reluctant to give up a piece that is so hard to replace. Guards are always available.

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3/17/2013  9:28 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/17/2013  9:29 AM
Papabear wrote:
Panos wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
ramtour420 wrote:This is not a good trade. Without Tyson we are going nowhere. We will get outrebounded by 30 every game.

Tyson is not the answer 4 this team

the answer to what question?
Is he the first true center we've had since Ewing left (aside from Camby who was always injured)?
The answer is yes. Considering what a difficult time the Knicks have had finding a center over the years, he's not a guy whose contract I want to "dump". Tyson has value on this team

Papabear Says

You can't compare Tyson to Ewing. Ewing could shoot the rock 15 ft away 20 ft away and under the basket. Chandler can't do that. Chandler can't back up a player to the basket and score. If Tyson was Patrick Ewing we would probably have 11 more wins this season.


Perhaps you guys are misunderstanding what the phrase "since Ewing" means.
Melo is much more overvalued around the league than Chandler is. He (and Shumpert) should be the players you trade.
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3/17/2013  9:32 AM
Panos wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Panos wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
ramtour420 wrote:This is not a good trade. Without Tyson we are going nowhere. We will get outrebounded by 30 every game.

Tyson is not the answer 4 this team

the answer to what question?
Is he the first true center we've had since Ewing left (aside from Camby who was always injured)?
The answer is yes. Considering what a difficult time the Knicks have had finding a center over the years, he's not a guy whose contract I want to "dump". Tyson has value on this team

Papabear Says

You can't compare Tyson to Ewing. Ewing could shoot the rock 15 ft away 20 ft away and under the basket. Chandler can't do that. Chandler can't back up a player to the basket and score. If Tyson was Patrick Ewing we would probably have 11 more wins this season.

I never compared Tyson and Patrick. Where do you see that?
All I said was that in all the years since Patrick we never had a true (capable) center, because they are hard to get. I anm reluctant to give up a piece that is so hard to replace. Guards are always available.

That hard to get---Orlando just got Vucevic at pick 16. To show you how bad the Knicks are--they wouldve bypassed him for Chris Singleton. This franchise is dead--its just too stupid-- the one lucky move we made with Lin is gone. This really is the dumbest franchise in sports if you equate money spent every turn is a failure. Its hard to say this about your own team but we havemore than a decade of data to back up the assertion.

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3/17/2013  12:41 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/17/2013  1:04 PM
To utilize/maximize Tyson Chandler at his best strenghts, ablities, and talents, like any player, must be in the right TEAM, SYSTEM, PHILOSPHIES, and TEAM/PLAYERS
A well balanced, talented, versatile team that has enough scoring and plays TEAM BALL and TEAM DEFENSE


We simply do not have that and the way we put together this team is similar to how Isiah tried to MAKE PLAYERS WORK with their big names, stats, and by overpaying them with contracts/assets
We did addition with subtractions, overpaying for talents, while the number's just don't add up, for a 2 year window
Fit, balance, chemistry, how players improve each other's skills/maximize each other's talents/potential, and abilities ,playing on and off the ball, were not measured when we put this current team together


Prior to 2010 summer, before Dallas/TC started games, and started their long winning streak with Dallas following with their championship title
I praised TC, hoping NY would acquire him as a FA, by selling a vision to TC that he could be the Bill Russel here in NY
I was mocked by many here during that time I posted it here

I wanted Tyson Chandler very much signing him as a FA addition with Curry's expiring instead of Carmelo while keeping our assets/yoots intact and hoping we would be able to trade for a 2nd tier "star" like Iggy at a fair price with the assets
I try believe we could have been a much better team if we went this route and would lose leverage with trades like we have recently done since acquiring Melo with teams/trades
The trade caused us to lose leverage because we were short on assets and could not add payroll, while we had a time limit to maximize our acquistions
We were scoring 100 points consisentently for a good while but couldn't just get the stops when we needed them most, we had the effort but missed a presence like TC
Adding Lin/Iman to Lee, Gallo, Chandler, TC, JR Smith, and the right picks/trades/MLE signings/vet min players, would have been 10x better than what we have now and could assemble in the near future, while all were theoritically possible


As a Knick fan, I wanted to pair Lin with Harden and Iggy with Gallo/Wilson Chandler while replacing Felton with a quicker, smarter, and better PG
We might have been missing that big name player but with depth, versatility, youth, and TEAM concept it would still work while we could contend while still having the ability to improve the roster, filling out the blanks with a foundation of HOW TO PLAY TEAM BALL


Ironically, these all did happen, but not as Knicks, and for now, it all seems like it could have worked out well as well
I have posted these thoughts all prior to them happening here...
I am not trying to brag about "how I was right", just trying to point out I do have a vision and NOT everyone has these abilities that they think they have
I have been wrong as well, not saying I am perfect either, for some that like to attack other posters here
Sometimes I really wish I could be a part of this Knick's organization because I think I would be able to help our chances
And sometimes I just use post here to express my thoughts/analysis as a moment of escape from reality

Denver is very stingy on trades, they always want the upper hand in trades, while we have been the complete opposite outside of Walsh's tenure here
But I believe TC's would be a great fit there, as they do have multiple players that we could trade TC to acquire the talent we need
Wilson Chandler, a BIG, and a PG, is what we need, not saying we acquire all with just TC, some with some smaller complimentary pieces AFTER those players
Forget about what we would lose without Tyson Chandler, think about how we could regain the talents that we have no other way of gaining in Vet Min and Lower MLE could acquire
It would be a great trade for both TEAMS and if Denver want's to maximize their young roster with a veteran, they should accept such a deal
Such a deal would be ideal for Knick's, Nuggets, and TC's career...

TC is a luxury DEF player that we do not have the ability to surround the right pieces with anymore
TEAMS that are already contending that have these pieces are the ones that would have interest in TC's services, unlikely, rebuilding teams

In my opinion, he is over payed but he is worth every dollar with the right team/pieces, just no longer with us, with the moves we have made the past 2 years
For the money, a player solid player like Asik/Brandon Wright/Mahimi/Dalembert and a vet min player like JO/Greg Stimensa/Hidayyi/Ryan Hollins would make more sense for our current roster
It would be a slight downgrade at the position but Camby and the right vet min players would overall improve our team and give us our best chances to compete for a ring
This is my opinion, I could be wrong, but just wanted to share my thoughts, hope some enjoy the long post

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3/20/2013  11:22 AM
Wonder if we can get Koufous, Andre Miller, and Wilson CHandler for Tyson Chandler...
I would take back AR if Denver wants to pay/keep Koufas but acquiring Wilson Chandler is a must in any trade....
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3/20/2013  11:31 AM
RonRon wrote:Wonder if we can get Koufous, Andre Miller, and Wilson CHandler for Tyson Chandler...
I would take back AR if Denver wants to pay/keep Koufas but acquiring Wilson Chandler is a must in any trade....

Why would Denver touch that team. Koufus could easily be better than Chandler by himself and is 10 years younger.

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3/20/2013  11:32 AM
Nope
Respectively as a playa ..Tyson is 1 of only knick/guys whom nearly does 100% of what we need on Nyk despite Tyson's offensive limitations.

Sure I'd love draft picks even moreso than the moody Ben Gordon but i prefer to deal JR Smith
Or any knick not Melo OR Ty., for picks/players

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3/20/2013  11:53 AM
Didn't Charlotte already go through the Tyson experiment.
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3/20/2013  1:54 PM
Did we not take ten years to build a respectable roster that is part of the top 3 in the east.
Did we just take ten years of draft picks to avg 25 wins per season being young with no franchise player..

trading tyson for draft picks doesn't make us a lock to win anything but more picks..
Maybe you guys want to hit the lottery route for another 3 yrs instead waiting 2 yrs for us to have a clean slate while still being atleast a contender..

If anything happens to one of the big 3 in miami that certainly evens the playing field, but if we trade our premiere players, we have no chance in hell at even making the playoffs

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3/20/2013  4:16 PM
If at any point, Ben Gordon can get 20 rebounds in successive games, then I'll consider it.
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3/20/2013  5:13 PM
Sangfroid wrote:If at any point, Ben Gordon can get 20 rebounds in successive games, then I'll consider it.

I would do it if I were able to grab Olycnk who I think will be far superior to Tyson Chandler. Am team that would be willing to trade me any bad contract and a pick for olynck for Chandler I would do. The poster behind you wants to bank on injury(yeah like this team!!!) all Im saying is I want players to fill the roster that I can eventually win big with. I would pick him #1 no question asked if I had it.

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3/20/2013  6:21 PM
RonRon wrote:Wonder if we can get Koufous, Andre Miller, and Wilson CHandler for Tyson Chandler...
I would take back AR if Denver wants to pay/keep Koufas but acquiring Wilson Chandler is a must in any trade....

Papabear Says

The only way Denver will deal with us is to stick it to us with no grease.

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How about Tyson Chandler to Charlotte for Ben Gordon and the 12th pick

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