Silverfuel wrote:

Knixkik wrote:I will keep this short. I have been here since the beginning and this is the first time this team has been in first place in the Atlantic and most negative it has ever been in here. You would think that because we were so bad all these years the focus would be on holding the division lead and winning a playoff series instead of the blame game on our stars and how to blow the team up. Any positive talk here is out of place. Some of the comments in these posts are just disturbing. You make a positive comment and people respond "can I have what you are smoking." This isn't right. The injuries add insult to injury but this board is crazy. I know people post here to vent but the "no hope" speech is getting old. Hopefully we can get healthy and get some rhythm going before the playoffs. I consider myself a level headed Knicks fan and will not forfeit to the overwhelming negativity that is the majority here.

I completely agree. It's gotten real bad on this forum. I agree that people would rather the Knicks lose with Melo just to say I told you so.

Sorry i got to disagree with u respectively,
Agree lots of Melo haters Ny not just on the board BUT folks
Rather NY get well play well & WIN period.. nothin to do with ailing Melo

This really got to do with Prep & desire to ball
Ny is too comfortable even Woodson whom finally ceased sayin "we r in 1st place'

All in all no accountability from coaches to players right up to mgt.

That is issue, poor decisions guys got contracts $$$
ALL make lots of $money

No efforts NOR PRIDE to justify paycheck
Inluding coach Woody & Bum Grundfald.. leadership to correct ship sinking & sure be STINKING!

Silverfuel wrote:

Knixkik wrote:I will keep this short. I have been here since the beginning and this is the first time this team has been in first place in the Atlantic and most negative it has ever been in here. You would think that because we were so bad all these years the focus would be on holding the division lead and winning a playoff series instead of the blame game on our stars and how to blow the team up. Any positive talk here is out of place. Some of the comments in these posts are just disturbing. You make a positive comment and people respond "can I have what you are smoking." This isn't right. The injuries add insult to injury but this board is crazy. I know people post here to vent but the "no hope" speech is getting old. Hopefully we can get healthy and get some rhythm going before the playoffs. I consider myself a level headed Knicks fan and will not forfeit to the overwhelming negativity that is the majority here.

I completely agree. It's gotten real bad on this forum. I agree that people would rather the Knicks lose with Melo just to say I told you so.

Knixkik wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:

Knixkik wrote:I will keep this short. I have been here since the beginning and this is the first time this team has been in first place in the Atlantic and most negative it has ever been in here. You would think that because we were so bad all these years the focus would be on holding the division lead and winning a playoff series instead of the blame game on our stars and how to blow the team up. Any positive talk here is out of place. Some of the comments in these posts are just disturbing. You make a positive comment and people respond "can I have what you are smoking." This isn't right. The injuries add insult to injury but this board is crazy. I know people post here to vent but the "no hope" speech is getting old. Hopefully we can get healthy and get some rhythm going before the playoffs. I consider myself a level headed Knicks fan and will not forfeit to the overwhelming negativity that is the majority here.

I completely agree. It's gotten real bad on this forum. I agree that people would rather the Knicks lose with Melo just to say I told you so.

Then why stay? I don't want you to leave but I just never understood it when people started threads complaining about the forum. There are so many different forums out there you could choose from. It's like a millionaire who complains about how bad his car is rather than just buying a new one.

This forum has been great for 12 years. It's the so-called fans who drive it down trying to prove Melo is a grabage player and we were a better team with Gallo etc. It's the ones who try to prove a point every time. Not the real fans. We have a lot of Nuggets fans on this board, we will put it that way. General negative talk is fine and needs to be there. But there is a major divide here with true fans and Melo-hating fans.

Now look at how fun it is watching some of these teams we helped create, that have either pounded us or made it close in GS, Denver and Houston. What we are witnessing, this collapse, is like the
Polar opposite of Linsanity. And that is a hard pill to swallow. Keeping that pain inside, obviously, is not happening. It is on ALL the Knick boards I've seen. This is just a reflection of the state of things, not hating, more like expressing.

I still have some hope for a run, but we have to get healthy, big IF.

Knixkik wrote:I will keep this short. I have been here since the beginning and this is the first time this team has been in first place in the Atlantic and most negative it has ever been in here. You would think that because we were so bad all these years the focus would be on holding the division lead and winning a playoff series instead of the blame game on our stars and how to blow the team up. Any positive talk here is out of place. Some of the comments in these posts are just disturbing. You make a positive comment and people respond "can I have what you are smoking." This isn't right. The injuries add insult to injury but this board is crazy. I know people post here to vent but the "no hope" speech is getting old. Hopefully we can get healthy and get some rhythm going before the playoffs. I consider myself a level headed Knicks fan and will not forfeit to the overwhelming negativity that is the majority here.

I hate to say this but the team we saw at the beginning is not the same team we have now--its just not. Just look at the massive downtrend in scoring. Do an eye test--is this the same team--no. Age has caught up with us and that counts--we made the signings and did the deals. So we live with it and sometimes reality sucks. That being said---and anyone can understand this--we have our chances in the playoffs just like anyone else.

earthmansurfer wrote:I think a lot of guys, like me, were sold on that this was about a championship run. Add to that, that me and others didn't like the Melo trade (completely) - but I've been giving it a chance. Now add that I/we hated not resigning Lin. Add to that I didn't agee with all the new signings in light of the Lin fiasco, especially money wise.

Now look at how fun it is watching some of these teams we helped create, that have either pounded us or made it close in GS, Denver and Houston. What we are witnessing, this collapse, is like the
Polar opposite of Linsanity. And that is a hard pill to swallow. Keeping that pain inside, obviously, is not happening. It is on ALL the Knick boards I've seen. This is just a reflection of the state of things, not hating, more like expressing.

I still have some hope for a run, but we have to get healthy, big IF.

You were fooling yourself if you ever believed this team would realistically beat the Heat in a 7 game series. As a fan, I rooted ike hell for us to beat the Jordan Bulls, but knew it was a long shot. Still enjoyed each of the seasons the 90's Knicks had. Same here, will root like hell for us to beat the Heat if we face them in the playoffs, but realistically, its not Championship or bust for me because I understand the shortcoming this team has and I also understand that 9-10 times the team with the best player in the league is going to win it all...

Bonn1997 wrote:

playa2 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:I will keep this short. I have been here since the beginning and this is the first time this team has been in first place in the Atlantic and most negative it has ever been in here. You would think that because we were so bad all these years the focus would be on holding the division lead and winning a playoff series instead of the blame game on our stars and how to blow the team up. Any positive talk here is out of place. Some of the comments in these posts are just disturbing. You make a positive comment and people respond "can I have what you are smoking." This isn't right. The injuries add insult to injury but this board is crazy. I know people post here to vent but the "no hope" speech is getting old. Hopefully we can get healthy and get some rhythm going before the playoffs. I consider myself a level headed Knicks fan and will not forfeit to the overwhelming negativity that is the majority here.

I agree, some act as if the neighbors wife who 8-10 yrs younger than his own wife is better to give compliments too. Get a divorce, your wife gave you children and takes care of them, but you yearn for something younger that doesn't have a guarantee to handle pressure when it arises.

Go and root for the rockets and nuggets you can show those fans how much you love those teams.

Not needed here nuff said !

I agree with the bold part. If you're unhappy with this board, go find one you'll enjoy more.

Why cant the Rocket/Nuggets fans find a board soley for those teams and join in? Where else should I, as a Knick fan go to talk Knick basketball if not here? Some of the negativity was undstandable back when Weatherspoon was manning the power forward spot. But, now that we have a team that first in the atlantic, some of it is in the vain of the "I told you so." etc......

DrAlphaeus wrote:Knixkik, maybe part of the reason is that this board is increasingly becoming meta. A board that constantly talks about itself. We've had an exodus of personalities in the last few years, lost probably to Twitter or Facebook or whatever.

I agree with something someone said I think in another thread: the team was such a complete joke for so long, it was easier to laugh at it all. We all had Isiah's smile as a focus of our hate, leaving us some objectivity to see what we had on the floor and comment on it, and discuss our different philosophies about NBA basketball.

Since 2010 we have been told "the Knicks are back" and our team was actually on national broadcasts again. A place that bills itself as "The World's Most Famous Arena" (the Roman Colosseum says "what am I, chopped liver?") welcoming "home" a dude from West Baltimore, funding a reno by pricing out the diehards in a pissing contest with Brooklyn, capitalizing on and squandering Linsanity... Maybe a lot of folks are just tired of the false promises and personality cults.

The newspaper and 11 o'clock news can be very depressing as well. Sometimes if I just want to maintain my mood, I chose ignorance over information. But I also can't submit my own stories, so the metaphor fails there. If the board is too depressing, and you aren't contributing to make a change, just turn it off for a while.

some good thoughts here IMHO

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:I will keep this short. I have been here since the beginning and this is the first time this team has been in first place in the Atlantic and most negative it has ever been in here. You would think that because we were so bad all these years the focus would be on holding the division lead and winning a playoff series instead of the blame game on our stars and how to blow the team up. Any positive talk here is out of place. Some of the comments in these posts are just disturbing. You make a positive comment and people respond "can I have what you are smoking." This isn't right. The injuries add insult to injury but this board is crazy. I know people post here to vent but the "no hope" speech is getting old. Hopefully we can get healthy and get some rhythm going before the playoffs. I consider myself a level headed Knicks fan and will not forfeit to the overwhelming negativity that is the majority here.

since dolan has taken over he has driven the knicks into irrelevance. stern gave the knicks fans a break when he interceded on our behalf and forced dolan to bring in a competent man to clean up dolan and thomas's mess. we all waited for two entire years as we saw, for the first time in memory, the team being torn down so that it had a genuine shot at being built from the ground up and the right way.

after those two seasons, we the fans had every right to expect that money would be spent on a franchise player, or if not an outright franchise player, at least a big name. that turned out to be stoudemire. lebron led everyone on and we had to act and walsh did. to not acquire a big name would have been impossible. it would have been brave but it was simply untenable.

the knicks were headed for the playoffs in 2010-2011. at 28-26 they also had a ton of money and they had the nuggets over a barrel. they could have gone 9-19 the rest of the season and they still would have made the playoffs and yes would also have been eliminated in the playoffs.

but they would have had room to build and grow based on who was there-- amare stoudemire. they could have gone another season with felton and then allow his contract to expire while shopping for an upgrade at point guard.

then this season we would still be growing, while remaining a younger team. there would be no pressure or expectation to win now. instaed of youth and energy the knicks are the all-viagra team.

you can't go from roster flush to win-now in the nba without collusion. but the blithe dolan doesn't care about that-- and neither does melo. this comment he made befored the game last night of two to three years of getting his feet wet is total bs. what a crock. shameless!

the knicks are spiraling into irrelevance again. no offense but this was a fool's gold team as of february 2011.

you're upset but make sure you direct your upset in the right direction.

"hate to say it, but told u so"